Dr. Gonzo 8,191 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 https://x.com/muhammadshehad2/status/1775137325636317569?s=20 This is genuinely shameless & deserves a real response from the international community. The support of the west and having the right to defend themselves as a country doesn’t give them the right to murder aid workers to discourage other NGOs from providing aid. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 5,105 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 14 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said: https://x.com/muhammadshehad2/status/1775137325636317569?s=20 This is genuinely shameless & deserves a real response from the international community. The support of the west and having the right to defend themselves as a country doesn’t give them the right to murder aid workers to discourage other NGOs from providing aid. One is Australian, three Brits, one Pole, and an American-Canadian; lastly another Palestinian. This is beyond the pale, they were helping people. They were feeding the starving masses. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 5,105 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 @Dr. GonzoThis is as much as you’ll get from the west, which is a start but I’d like to see more from Albo, Wong however is right. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/03/zomi-frankcom-death-anthony-albanese-australia-outrage-benjamin-netanyahu Quote “I would say to Mr Netanyahu that wartime does not obviate responsibility for observing international humanitarian law, including the protection of aid workers,” Wong told the ABC. She noted that the conflict in Gaza had been “particularly fatal for aid workers” and cited UN figures that about 196 aid workers had been killed. “This is unacceptable.” Wong, who also spoke with the Israeli foreign minister Israel Katz on Tuesday evening, reiterated that “unless Israel, Mr Netanyahu, changes his course of action, Israel will continue to lose [international] support”. “We say to Mr Netanyahu: you must change course,” Wong said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo 8,191 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 16 minutes ago, Spike said: @Dr. GonzoThis is as much as you’ll get from the west, which is a start but I’d like to see more from Albo, Wong however is right. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/03/zomi-frankcom-death-anthony-albanese-australia-outrage-benjamin-netanyahu The West needs to start putting conditions on the aid provided to Israel. Tbh they've been needing to do so for a while, standing by an allied nation while they repeatedly break international laws is honestly just being an accomplice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo 8,191 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 So after years of Iranians begging the EU to recognise the IRGC as a terrorist organisation. And after Israel's attack on a building next to the Iranian embassy in Damascus - where no one that was actually a part of Iran's actual diplomatic mission there was harmed... and only IRGC scum died - here's what Josep Borrell has to say about it: In the last 2 years, I've developed a profound hatred for Josep Borrell and Ursula von der Leyen. I know the EU standing up for Ukraine is the right thing to do, and this puts Europe in a difficult spot because after being reliant on Russia for oil and natural gas... doing business with countries like Iran for their oil and natural gas is important. But at least be fucking honest and say the quiet part out loud: the EU doesn't think Iranian human rights are as important as keeping energy resources flowing into the EU. Don't pat yourselves on the back and pretend to be concerned about human rights abuses and then at the same time make statements like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Tommy 12,622 Posted April 3 Moderator Share Posted April 3 1 minute ago, Dr. Gonzo said: l and Ursula von der Leyen. She was one of the most useless politicians I've ever seen in our government. I never understood how she landed that gig with the European Commission. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo 8,191 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 7 minutes ago, Tommy said: She was one of the most useless politicians I've ever seen in our government. I never understood how she landed that gig with the European Commission. They're elected by the European parliament aren't they? I find Borrell's tweet particularly offensive considering Zahedi, one of the guys that died in the strikes, is very far from a diplomat and was actually involved pretty heavily in the suppression of the human rights movement in Iran over the last 2 years. Good people that just wanted to live normal lives with some of the things we take for granted in our normal lives are dead and experiencing the worst of what the notorious Evin prison has to offer because of him. And his coordination with Hamas means he's also pretty culpable for everything that's happened in Israel/Palestine since October 7th. It's not a bad thing he's dead and it's not a bad thing Israel killed him without killing innocent people - it's just a shame Israel can't be bothered to show the same kind of precision when bombing their neighbors or the people who are providing humanitarian aid to their neighbors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeKhrush 298 Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 Iran making threats, while the Iranian people are showing solidarity with Israel in a massive gathering in Tehran. The Ayatollahs have no capacity for war and will likely act through their proxies. Israel needs to work with the Lebanese government in ousting Hezbollah and liberating Lebanon. Russia has apparently been expanding outposts near Golan, the size of Russian forces in Syria is unknown but not significant and with Russia barely able to man the fronts in Ukraine a war against Israel would be stupid, not only will it give NATO legitimate cause to go to war with Russia, the Russia forces in Syria will get flattened, Mr Putin needs to check himself, he may have some helium following Avdivka, but Russia is not advancing with any degree of success and nearly 500 000 are dead or wounded, there is also massive defections of Russian forces right on the border defecting to Ukraine and making regular insurgency into Russian territory destroying oil production. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan 18,389 Posted April 5 Administrator Share Posted April 5 On 03/04/2024 at 21:42, Dr. Gonzo said: The West needs to start putting conditions on the aid provided to Israel. Tbh they've been needing to do so for a while, standing by an allied nation while they repeatedly break international laws is honestly just being an accomplice. UK needs to stop providing arms to Israel to begin with. Biden engaging with Netanyahu to open up more aid routes doesn't go far enough. Not least when it was so close after people were killed delivering aid to Palestine. Doesn't make sense. I don't know why US-UK and other nations in the West don't condemn Israel harder for what they're doing. Other nations have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beelzebub 2,508 Posted April 5 Author Share Posted April 5 I think at this point you guys are being naive to not know why West don't condemn Israel so I'll address the elephant in the room. It's simple Israel is a settler project of West in a very key region of the world and to maintain it they will have to pay some price for it from time to time even in the loss of their own citizens. That said I think it's not completely accurate to say West is backing Israel, it's Protestant West. Catholic majority countries like Spain, Ireland, Italy etc have been very critical of Israel but they don't really matter tbh so it doesn't show in material effect. I was having this discussion with someone actually that Catholics and Sunnis together make the majority of the world but they are totally useless at the moment. not one state that has their majority really matters globally. You could make some excuse for France, Turkey, Saudi but I don't really buy it. And Saudis aren't really Sunni to begin with, they have their own thing. It's the Protestant (US-UK) and Shia (Iran) that are the most active global players despite being numerically a minority. Fascinating Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 5,105 Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 10 hours ago, Beelzebub said: I think at this point you guys are being naive to not know why West don't condemn Israel so I'll address the elephant in the room. It's simple Israel is a settler project of West in a very key region of the world and to maintain it they will have to pay some price for it from time to time even in the loss of their own citizens. That said I think it's not completely accurate to say West is backing Israel, it's Protestant West. Catholic majority countries like Spain, Ireland, Italy etc have been very critical of Israel but they don't really matter tbh so it doesn't show in material effect. I was having this discussion with someone actually that Catholics and Sunnis together make the majority of the world but they are totally useless at the moment. not one state that has their majority really matters globally. You could make some excuse for France, Turkey, Saudi but I don't really buy it. And Saudis aren't really Sunni to begin with, they have their own thing. It's the Protestant (US-UK) and Shia (Iran) that are the most active global players despite being numerically a minority. Fascinating I think evangelical over protestant would be even more appropriate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Spike 5,105 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 1 hour ago, MUFC said: That guy seems pretty good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUFC 1,503 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 1 hour ago, Spike said: That guy seems pretty good. He also said he isn't arsed if his career ends up in tatters over his own opinions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeKhrush 298 Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 Chris Cuomo leaves CNN and grows a backbone. I have said it a while now that the issue of aid should have been the responsibility of the global community, but they sat idly by. On 07/04/2024 at 18:50, MUFC said: He also said he isn't arsed if his career ends up in tatters over his own opinions. He has lied about things then been called out and removed content, he refuses to debate anyone with actual experience. He also denied the atrocities of October 7 before he got absolutely pummeled on live television. He is your typical socialist nonce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo 8,191 Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 Most of the hostages are probably dead, tbh. But Hamas aren't really interested in releasing them or having a ceasefire in any case. They just have to sit back and let Israel fight the way it's been fighting the war - the longer it goes on and the longer the suffering of innocents in Gaza carries on, Israel will lose the PR war. Netanyahu's not really arsed about the war for international opinion, probably because escalating in the war and keeping it going is keeping him in power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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OrangeKhrush 298 Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 Meanwhile Hamas are stealing the aid from the convoys and admitting to it but somehow it's the Jews fault. Hamas don't give a shit about Palastinians and every Palastinian that dies let's them lens it to try legitimise their Islamist cause. Notice how the middle east doesn't give one iota of shits but it is countries that are rapidly being taken over by Islamist trying so hard to legitimise Hamas. Sure netenyahu is an idiot and always has been, he said he was against the 2003 referendum to leave Gaza but voted for it. He is just another all talk no action guy that has sold out to western hysteria. Hours after a withdrawal Hamas launch missiles into Israel. How long is this ceasefire going to last, when I was in Israel it was during the Ariel Sharon days when ceasefires were a few days at best and like netenyahu just let it slide. Any way let's let the west wash their moral conscience with a ceasefire to be followed by abject suffering of palastinians at the hands of Hamas, that said I don't think palastinians matter as much as rampant antisemitism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeKhrush 298 Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 20 minutes ago, MUFC said: Middle east eye, LBC, owen Jones is your search "the most anti-Semitic people on earth"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeKhrush 298 Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 43 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said: Most of the hostages are probably dead, tbh. But Hamas aren't really interested in releasing them or having a ceasefire in any case. They just have to sit back and let Israel fight the way it's been fighting the war - the longer it goes on and the longer the suffering of innocents in Gaza carries on, Israel will lose the PR war. Netanyahu's not really arsed about the war for international opinion, probably because escalating in the war and keeping it going is keeping him in power. Doubtful he is just another sell out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo 8,191 Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 6 minutes ago, OrangeKhrush said: Doubtful he is just another sell out How's he a sell out? He's taking western aid but doesn't really have one iota of concern about doing things the west isn't in favour of. He's had to marginally pull back because of the outcry of the use of the IDF to murder western aid workers - which was beyond the pale and unjustifiable regardless of whether Hamas is stealing aid or not (perhaps the strikes on WKC workers should have been directed at Hamas militants that were stealing the aid rather than trying to send a message to aid workers in Gaza). With his popularity at an all time low, all he's really got to cling onto power is to pander to the Ben-Gvir's of his party - and that means fighting a war in a way that the world will find detestable. And that's basically exactly what Hamas is banking on as long as they can stay alive for long enough to wait out the world opinion turning. If public opinion turns too much, that likely means Israel faces aid being cut or having conditions placed on it before receiving aid. Can Israel survive without support from the West when Russia has sided with Israel's enemies in Hamas, Houthis, and Iran? I think it's in Israel's best interests to get Netanyahu out of power ASAP and to start fighting the war in a way that's not going to make Israel and the IDF look like they couldn't give a fuck if every Palestinian dropped dead. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dr. Gonzo 8,191 Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 1 minute ago, MUFC said: Tbh, I think it's unjustifiable to fail to condemn rape and killing children. Just because Israel and the IDF have decades of demonstrating a lack of human rights and disturbing disregard for the lives of innocents, Hamas and Hezbollah also have decades of the same. Hamas are not blameless in the oppression of Palestinians in Gaza, not to take away from the fact that Israel and the IDF are certainly guilty of oppressing Palestinians in Gaza... but Hamas have done a lot to stop the improvement of life in Gaza & have done a lot to worsen the conditions for the people living there - repeatedly demonstrating they do not care about the suffering of Palestinians when it comes to their war on Jews. I don't blame Gazans so much for their government as the last election in Gaza was decades ago, most people living in Gaza weren't even alive when it happened... and Hamas isn't exactly a group that allows for too many dissenting voices to keep living amongst them - they're not a democracy like Israel is. I know how difficult it can be for people to live under those sorts of governments, even without a perpetual state of conflict with people living right next door. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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