Climate Change

[Azeem]

Discuss, share any news regarding one of the biggest threat the world faces today. 

Will humans make it to 2119 ?

[Azeem]

[Azeem]

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2456803857923089&id=1559901027613381

Amazon is burning at a record rate

 

[nudge]

Sao Paulo plunged into darkness as a result of the wildfires and cold weather fronts. Not sure if this is a completely unedited photo but it scares the f out of me. That's how apocalypse looks like.

 

 

It's ridiculous how an entire ecosystem is being destroyed - not to mention that it's one of the most important ecosystem that affects the entire world - yet there's almost no coverage in the press. So much for caring about climate eh?

[CaaC (John)+]

1 hour ago, nudge said:

Sao Paulo plunged into darkness as a result of the wildfires and cold weather fronts. Not sure if this is a completely unedited photo but it scares the f out of me. That's how apocalypse looks like.

I have seen a lot of that in Australia many moons ago but not so drastic as that photo plus it was summertime, I was sitting at a train station and looking towards the Dandenong Ranges and Upper Ferntree Gully area in the distance, smoke and red glows lighting up the sky from bush fires, I shuddered a bit then as when we emigrated to Australia in the early 60s we had a house in Upper Ferntree Gully (a lot of bush in them days) before we moved to Port Melbourne.

 

[CaaC (John)+]

The UK is set to miss net-zero 2050 target with ‘dire consequences’, MPs warn

The UK will miss its legally binding net-zero 2050 target with “dire consequences” unless climate policies are rapidly implemented, MPs have warned the government.

Efforts to reduce emissions have been undermined by “unacceptable” cutbacks and delays, according to a report from the Science and Technology Select Committee.

The government has cut grants for low-emissions cars, frozen fuel duty while train and bus fares have continued to rise and also removed policies to improve the energy efficiency of homes, MPs found.

Committee chair Norman Lamb said the UK is currently not on track to meet its goals into the 2030s, let alone net zero.

“Throughout our inquiry, it was worrying to hear that although the government may be ambitious when it comes to reducing carbon emissions, it is not putting the policies in place which are needed to achieve those targets. We need to see the government put its words into actions,” he said.

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“We heard of cutbacks in various programmes and slow progress, which are incompatible with the UK’s two upcoming, legally binding carbon budgets – this is unacceptable. If governments across the world fail to act, it will have dire consequences for the environment and generations to come. The scale of the challenge cannot be underestimated.”

Hitting the target requires efforts to cut carbon emissions from heating systems, improve home energy efficiency, tackle vehicle pollution, support onshore wind and solar power and sustain nuclear power without growing the industry, the report said.

Meeting ambitions for virtually all cars and vans to be low carbon by 2050 will require 20,000 new registrations a week on average, compared to 1,200 ultra-low emissions vehicles registered each week in 2018, the report said.

Stuart Haszeldine, professor of carbon capture and storage at the University of Edinburgh, who was not involved in the report, said: “This illustrates the continual and widening UK gap between political top-down ambition, government delivery by the risk-averse civil service, and disconnect to conventional, commercial, un-charitable reason from the bottom-up.

“Fundamental change is required, but the government keeps papering the cracks instead of fixing the foundations."

The committee joined calls for the government to bring forward a ban on the sale of new conventional cars and vans planned for 2040 to 2035 at the latest, and for it to explicitly cover hybrid vehicles.

It also called for moves to tackle emissions from car manufacturing, and urged greater efforts to reduce vehicle ownership, and boost public transport and car-sharing, as well as walking and cycling.

The report also said the government must commit now to large-scale trials of low carbon heating technology such as heat pumps, and replacing gas with hydrogen.

A policy to make new homes “zero-carbon”, which was scrapped before it was implemented in 2016, should be urgently reintroduced, and incentives are needed to encourage people to make energy efficiency improvements, it said.

Ministers must support new onshore wind and large-scale solar power projects which have local backing, the report added.

The government should also publish an easily accessible central guide for members of the public explaining what measures individuals and households can take to support the UK’s emissions-cutting.

Myles Allen, professor of geosystem science at the University of Oxford, said stopping climate change is “astonishingly simple”.

He said: “What the government really needs to do is get the CEOs of about 20 fossil fuel companies into a room and ask them to explain how they plan to make both their activities and the products they sell compliant with net-zero global carbon dioxide emissions by mid-century. If any company cannot or will not answer the question, then we need to ask whether they should have a license to operate in the UK or a listing on the London Stock Exchange,” he said.

Danielle Rowley MP, shadow minister for business, energy and industrial strategy, said: “At a time when all policies should take account of environmental impact, bus and train fares have been allowed to increase year on year, often making driving the more affordable option. If the government was serious about taking the urgent action needed on the climate emergency it would take immediate steps today, for example banning fracking, overturning its effective ban on onshore wind, and extending free bus travel to all under-25s.”

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/uk-is-set-to-miss-net-zero-2050-target-with-dire-consequences-mps-warn/ar-AAGafQM?MSCC=1566456831&ocid=chromentp

[Azeem]

 

[Harry]

It really frustrates me to converse with climate change deniers.

I wish they'd get past that phase and start arguing climate change is real but we should just keep emitting anyway.

On 07/08/2019 at 23:02, Stick With Azeem said:

Discuss, share any news regarding one of the biggest threat the world faces today. 

Will humans make it to 2119 ?

We'll be here in 2119. I'd suggest the timescales of a near extinction scenario from climate change would be 1000+ years. But economic catastrophe and mass displacement of persons would be sooner.

 

[Dr. Gonzo]

I like to think of it as a race between how we’ll kill ourselves. Will it be war & nuclear holocaust? Or will it be climate change? Or will it be some cool mix of both.

Personally if we’re to go out in one of the 2 ways, I prefer Mother Earth’s fiery revenge.

[Azeem]

14 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I like to think of it as a race between how we’ll kill ourselves. Will it be war & nuclear holocaust? Or will it be climate change? Or will it be some cool mix of both.

Personally if we’re to go out in one of the 2 ways, I prefer Mother Earth’s fiery revenge.

A nuclear war between Russia and US will block out the sun for a decade so it will be mixture of both probably 

[CaaC (John)+]

 

[Machado]

According to Bolsonaro the country doesn't have the resources to fight such an enormous fire.

Where are the billionaires who rushed to restore the Notre Dame?

[Berserker]

47 minutes ago, Machado said:

According to Bolsonaro the country doesn't have the resources to fight such an enormous fire.

Where are the billionaires who rushed to restore the Notre Dame?

We have offered him help and haven't heard a response yet i believe, and i think the g7 did too but he refused and told Macron to fuck off.

[Harry]

On 23/08/2019 at 01:18, Dr. Gonzo said:

I like to think of it as a race between how we’ll kill ourselves. Will it be war & nuclear holocaust? Or will it be climate change? Or will it be some cool mix of both.

Personally if we’re to go out in one of the 2 ways, I prefer Mother Earth’s fiery revenge.

That's a much slower death.

Reduction in inhabitable land due to sea level rise, reduction in arable land due to climate intensity, mass famine and starvation, anarchy.

And the question of how governments deal with it.

 

[Machado]

1 hour ago, Berserker said:

We have offered him help and haven't heard a response yet i believe, and i think the g7 did too but he refused and told Macron to fuck off.

It's because he wants it to burn and as the typical nationalist, doesn't like outside meddling in the amazon. They have told us so a while ago:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-05-10/amazon-rainforest-is-ours-and-not-yours-brazil-tells-the-world

 

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/amazon-rainforest-fires-jair-bolsonaro-ngo-san-paolo-a9075071.html?fbclid=IwAR3j8te5eucLAm3cAVbDeGlaJvjaVzm03qIatIkHURT9atfVK7Ki9Xq_1oM

It’s alarming that this man has total control over a vast and vital resource that affects everyone on the planet.

[Berserker]

19 minutes ago, Machado said:

It's because he wants it to burn and as the typical nationalist, doesn't like outside meddling in the amazon. They have told us so a while ago:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-05-10/amazon-rainforest-is-ours-and-not-yours-brazil-tells-the-world

 

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/amazon-rainforest-fires-jair-bolsonaro-ngo-san-paolo-a9075071.html?fbclid=IwAR3j8te5eucLAm3cAVbDeGlaJvjaVzm03qIatIkHURT9atfVK7Ki9Xq_1oM

It’s alarming that this man has total control over a vast and vital resource that affects everyone on the planet.

Yeah he'd like to get rid of the jungle in favour of agriculture. I like him as well as Trump, however i'm against both of them's stances on climate change as it's undeniable it's real and it affects us all and if we don't fight it now we'll all be fucked no matter our political views.

[Harry]

4 hours ago, Machado said:

According to Bolsonaro the country doesn't have the resources to fight such an enormous fire.

Where are the billionaires who rushed to restore the Notre Dame?

I think they must be history buffs rather than environmentalists...

[The Artful Dodger]

We're extinct within 200 years and it's absolutely hilarious. Watching the self-serving greed of humanity and its destruction of life everywhere. Human beings need to go. They've fucked the world for every other living thing. 

[Harry]

1 hour ago, The Artful Dodger said:

We're extinct within 200 years and it's absolutely hilarious. Watching the self-serving greed of humanity and its destruction of life everywhere. Human beings need to go. They've fucked the world for every other living thing. 

There could be less people by then but I I think extinction in that timeframe is extraordinarily unlikely. I get the impression that would disappoint you which is weird.

[The Artful Dodger]

12 hours ago, Harry said:

There could be less people by then but I I think extinction in that timeframe is extraordinarily unlikely. I get the impression that would disappoint you which is weird.

Human beings aren't the only thing alive on the planet but we are the most destructive and hell bent on choking the world with us. Humans will be extinct one day, just like the neanderthals before us are. Hopefully we get something better in our place 

[Azeem]

I'll go with Harry, there will be a massive reduction in human population because of global conflicts and natural disasters caused by them, there won't be much powers left in the world or any which means there won't be any conflict for a long time and world will begin it's new circle.

[Azeem]

 

[Harry]

It's definitely a major threat but I do feel it gets exaggerated heavily and that's ultimately harmful to the cause, and creates debate in an area where there was previously just indisputable science.

I'm not entirely sure how I would rank climate change threat in a list of things most likely to stunt the continued expansion of the human population out of climate change, nuclear war, artificial intelligence,zombie apocalypse or just anarchy breaking out from continued escalating frustration at politicians. However I don't need to have an order to those to support basic measures that would rebalance and re-price things based on their carbon footprint. If that tilts the balance of economics towards renewables, electric cars and nuclear power then our children will be much better off for it.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Lol Bolsonaro turned down the money G7 offered Brazil to keep that fire under control

[Azeem]

https://bylinetimes.com/2019/08/27/the-amazon-is-burning-in-a-right-wing-backed-corporate-arson-attack/

The Amazon is Burning in a Right-Wing Backed Corporate Arson Attack