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  1. The way I see it from afar, stopping freedom of movement was a core element (probably the most prominent part of the package , as it was the most easy to communicate in slogans along the supposed money fluxes) in the leave campaign (not to say that element punctually carried even more radical ethnocentric ideas using dogwhistles). In any case, I fail to get the latest spin of Fairy's Boots' narrative. I mean, his/her particular idea of british excepcionalism (we the common folk will be better producing and selling "goods" outside because...). Because the only british exceptionalism (a differential factor you can take for granted in the mid term) you can argue about these days is London being the crooked world centre of the world of financial services (which it is mostly elite-driven and not about producing real stuff). A real check on chauvinism is needed. In any case I am interested to see what happens now. As I wrote here before, a second referendum without actually getting to exit is not the best option for british democracy short term (the UK would probably become an antipolitical hellhole, worse than Italy in this regard), but a second referendum for re-entry taken soon after brexit without time for much divergence would make some sense. But the most probable outcome, I think, is this deal or crashing out with no deal.
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  2. Immigration was a massive component of Brexit, that isn't over exaggerating anything. From the poster boy of Brexit Farage to nearly every newspaper anti-immigration and xenophobic rhetoric was spouted on an almost daily basis.
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  3. Ugh, in my antropologically pessimist framing of the situation (which I seem to share with Mr. Trump), countries should be wary of China, instead of welcoming that soon-to-be-ultimate-totalitarian state pulling a Bienvenido Mr. Marshall. I mean in the sense of the need for creating "entities" of bigger scale (both economical, political, and even military) to confront that in Europe, instead of the nation-state folding. The road towards that goal is full of dangers and dead-ends, though.
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  4. Immigration apart, I think doing something sounded more appealing than doing nothing and the Brexit campaign had more vocal and probably charismatic people supporting that "something". Also, #Brexit is a catchier hastag than #Remain. The remain campaign was poor. Failed to portrait any positive image of the EU and it was government led, an unpopular one, which didn't help. People looked at it as the establishment. I think David Cameron will go down as the UK's worst ever Prime Minister, as in the long term he will have caused the most damage to the UK.
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  5. Nothing will happen because nothing happened last time they messed around with the Ukraine. Nothing happened to the American journalist that was massacred by the Saudi Arabian royal family with Trump even letting them off. Don't worry... The status quo will remain with some governments pretending to be shocked and astounded at Russia's anarchism.
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  6. The politicians are to blame because they didn't have a clue on what Brexit meant. That much is clear and we've even had shocking comments coming from MPs and Cabinet Ministers stating this exact thing in the past months. Wasn't it bumbling Boris Johnson who said "we can have our cake and eat it" with that excruciatingly annoying voice he has? Really? FOOL! As for the public having to make themselves aware of what they were voting for... Bloody hell! Think about it... There are just over 66 million people in the UK (I hope I've got that right) and the GOVERNMENT gave the vote to all of them (of course they did, there was no other way, it's a democracy and EVERYONE is entitled to vote "except for those in prison")... Shall I or shan't I go into the probable validation of the capabilities for the whole of the U.K. to vote on something as detrimental as this? I won't because all sorts of connotations could be construed and drawn up on my ramblings. This isn't even all of it, but a fair bit and possibly the most important parts regarding divorcing the EU, but the FT (Financial Times) printed a lot of it not too long ago and if anyone says that they expected every UK citizen to read through it, understand it, associate a separation and its consequences to it before making a valid decision on where to scribble an 'X' on poling day... Hmmmm... https://ig.ft.com/brexit-treaty-database/
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  7. I don't think a second referendum is the answer but it's not as outrageous as some people have made out (Not necessarily here). It doesn't subvert democracy to allow people to have their say on something a second time having been presented with new information. People can change their mind, it's not that different than the fact we have another general election every 3 to 4 years to see whether the public has changed its mind about who should run the country. Speaking of which, the politicians already abdicated responsibility by putting it to a public vote the first time. The government never holds a referendum to decide whether income tax should be restructured or whether they should make more cuts to police funding, or other things where the public actually has an idea what they're voting for or against, so I still don't see why the biggest economic decision in my lifetime was put to a public vote where the electorate weren't remotely educated about the process that would take place or the benefits and costs of what they were voting for.
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  8. Astronomy counts as science...so this is fucking cool.
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  9. A second referendum only extends the mess, why should that one be definitive? There would have to be a tie breaker, unless it was an absolute landslide and I don't see that. The Leave campaign was infiltrated by all sorts of horrendous people but this was obvious to anyone who cared to check things out. There should never, ever have been a bloody referendum and it was one of the grossest acts of political selfishness and cowardice this country has ever seen but we can't go back. Don't forget the narrative has largely been about how awful this all is, if we were to have a second vote the Leave vote would ramp back up again and spout the same populist, with an added line about the overthrow of democracy, I think they'd do just fine once again. If they were to lose it'd would be a small margin and what then? 1-1? Also, if Leave were to win once again we would be even more beholden to the right-wing that we are now, they'd have the cocksure swagger of two victories and the more moderate voices would be swept to the side.
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