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[VOTE] Team of the 21st Century - LB - Semi Finals

Who makes it into the final?  

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  1. 1. Paulo Maldini or Ashley Cole?

  2. 2. Marcelo or Filipe Luis?



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The draw has been made, is one of these ties the effective final for this position?

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As much as i am an English Bosnian, Maldini got my vote. As i think he is one of the best defenders not only in our generation but ever. The other vote went to Marcelo over Filipe Luis.

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@RandoEFC there appears to be no British option to choose in Marcelo/Filipe Luis? Not sure if there's a mistake here. You may have messed up. If you can't do these things properly please get someone else to do it. 

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Went for Maldini and Marcelo owing to my inherent English football bias.

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See, Bundesliga lads...  would you have wanted to see your golden boy get absolutely crushed against Maldini? Probably not. So good thing we voted for a left back to lose against him in this "best left back" contest.

Maldini should win in the final too tbh.

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2 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

See, Bundesliga lads...  would you have wanted to see your golden boy get absolutely crushed against Maldini? Probably not. So good thing we voted for a left back to lose against him in this "best left back" contest.

Maldini should win in the final too tbh.

Only footy on TV in Britain in the 1990's was Italian football... PL/UK bias :ph34r:

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On a bright note, I'm so happy Evra didn't go as far as this. I was too young when he was probably half decent at Monaco in that CL run but every version of Evra I've seen has not been good. That said, Filipe Luis isn't a top LB either that shouldn't have made it this far.

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7 minutes ago, Vader said:

but every version of Evra I've seen has not been good

You must have missed a lot of football about 10 years ago... 

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Just now, Stan said:

You must have missed a lot of football about 10 years ago... 

Mate, Evra has been garbage the entirety of this decade (or now the last one). From 2000-2010 he had some legs to stand on, but 2010-2020 he was one of the most overrated Left backs I've seen. So much there was a point Fabio was getting more minutes than him iirc xD

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Evra was initially good at Man Utd but outstayed his usefulness by 2-3 years in the closing stages of Fergie's reign where everything seemed to get a bit loose on the recruitment front, and he won that last title out of sheer stubbornness. When you look at how poor and or past it a lot of that squad was that won the "farewell" title the mind does boggle.

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3 hours ago, DeadLinesman said:

I voted for Maldini. Because I’m Italian now and love Serie A.

Same, let's go get some pasta.

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2 minutes ago, Chaaay AFC said:

@RandoEFC there seems to be a mistake, there is no Philip Lahm option?

He was moved to RB and became automatic winner, with double prize money and a sash. 

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7 hours ago, Vader said:

Mate, Evra has been garbage the entirety of this decade (or now the last one). From 2000-2010 he had some legs to stand on, but 2010-2020 he was one of the most overrated Left backs I've seen. So much there was a point Fabio was getting more minutes than him iirc xD

Good job I said about 10 years ago then. Not in the last 10 years. 

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Just now, Stan said:

Good job I said about 10 years ago then. Not in the last 10 years. 

Oh yeah, 2010 the year he was single handedly responsible for France's world cup group elimination.

 

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3 minutes ago, Vader said:

Oh yeah, 2010 the year he was single handedly responsible for France's world cup group elimination.

 

I’m not sure international tournaments are the best way to judge a player. France overall were a team of individual talent that famously had players in open revolt against their manager (who, tbf, sounds like a twat).

There were a lot of players and a lot of people responsible for France’s early exit. And wasn’t that when France barely qualified off a Henry handball against Ireland?

Club football’s a bigger factor to me in the measure of a player. Because a player that consistently performs at the highest level week in week out is impressive.

Evra, as much as I hate to admit it, was a great player at his best. But United kept him passed his physical best in a league as physical as ours - but he went to Juve, another massive club, and put in a few good years with them as well. They used up the rest of the energy he had left and then he had 2 spells of paid semi-retirement with Marseille & West Ham.

It’d be mental to take away from what’s probably a decade or more of playing consistently well at the top level, at big clubs with massive expectation, simply because he was shit in an international team that was shit and dysfunctional.

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4 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I’m not sure international tournaments are the best way to judge a player. France overall were a team of individual talent that famously had players in open revolt against their manager (who, tbf, sounds like a twat).

There were a lot of players and a lot of people responsible for France’s early exit. And wasn’t that when France barely qualified off a Henry handball against Ireland?

Club football’s a bigger factor to me in the measure of a player. Because a player that consistently performs at the highest level week in week out is impressive.

Evra, as much as I hate to admit it, was a great player at his best. But United kept him passed his physical best in a league as physical as ours - but he went to Juve, another massive club, and put in a few good years with them as well. They used up the rest of the energy he had left and then he had 2 spells of paid semi-retirement with Marseille & West Ham.

It’d be mental to take away from what’s probably a decade or more of playing consistently well at the top level, at big clubs with massive expectation, simply because he was shit in an international team that was shit and dysfunctional.

He's only saying that cos he's never watched a minute of him in the Premier League so has nothing else to go on. 

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24 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I’m not sure international tournaments are the best way to judge a player. France overall were a team of individual talent that famously had players in open revolt against their manager (who, tbf, sounds like a twat).

There were a lot of players and a lot of people responsible for France’s early exit. And wasn’t that when France barely qualified off a Henry handball against Ireland?

Club football’s a bigger factor to me in the measure of a player. Because a player that consistently performs at the highest level week in week out is impressive.

Evra, as much as I hate to admit it, was a great player at his best. But United kept him passed his physical best in a league as physical as ours - but he went to Juve, another massive club, and put in a few good years with them as well. They used up the rest of the energy he had left and then he had 2 spells of paid semi-retirement with Marseille & West Ham.

It’d be mental to take away from what’s probably a decade or more of playing consistently well at the top level, at big clubs with massive expectation, simply because he was shit in an international team that was shit and dysfunctional.

His attitude was god awful, that's what I was going at. Evra was the ring leader IIRC in that revolt.

Evra was never ever a world class player. Actually I was still a big Serie A follower when he was at Juve, and I hate to tell you but he was the weak link of the team. Every opposition attack always went through him, and it wasn't any different in his final United days. He had some legs to stand on earlier in his United career, sure. He was never a world class left back though or even near it. 

No idea how he was at Monaco but the Evra I know has never been a player of my liking.

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24 minutes ago, Stan said:

He's only saying that cos he's never watched a minute of him in the Premier League so has nothing else to go on. 

Oh yay the "you've never seen the player" card when you know you've lost the argumentxD

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@Dr. Gonzo

Looks like my memory served me right.

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Patrice Evra has been dropped for France's crucial match against South Africa this afternoon.

The full-back, and France captain, appears to have paid the price for leading the protest which saw the entire squad refuse to train on Sunday following the decision by the French Football Federation to send Nicolas Anelka home after he insulted the manager, Raymond Domenech, following France's 2-0 defeat by Mexico last week.

Obviously this is secondary, but to be honest as a player I didn't like him too much. Was OK at the start for United, crap later on and then crap again at Juve and Marseille.

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6 minutes ago, Vader said:

Oh yay the "you've never seen the player" card when you know you've lost the argumentxD

You seem to totally discount any time he was sensational at Utd. You talk about his legs in his old days and some legs 'early in his United career' but seem to bypass his best years which coincided with Utd being a ridiculously solid team. 

Not sure what argument has been 'lost' here? 

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Just now, Stan said:

You seem to totally discount any time he was sensational at Utd. You talk about his legs in his old days and some legs 'early in his United career' but seem to bypass his best years which coincided with Utd being a ridiculously solid team. 

Not sure what argument has been 'lost' here? 

There's no discounting those sensational United sides. They were fantastic. I've just never liked Evra as a player.

The argument has been lost as soon as you decided to attack me instead of debate. No doubt you'll deny it now too.

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13 minutes ago, Vader said:

There's no discounting those sensational United sides. They were fantastic. I've just never liked Evra as a player.

The argument has been lost as soon as you decided to attack me instead of debate. No doubt you'll deny it now too.

attack you ffs Brian grow a pair.

You seem to use your bias against Evra to deny he had any kind of quality. All you go on about is 'legs' and something that happened internationally for one tournament.

Your ignorance of his quality is blinded by your bias.

Haven't you said before that you didn't watch Premier League football around the time Evra was at Utd, late 00s etc?

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I don't see any comebacks happening here so I'll close the poll and move this highly controversial series of polls onto the final stage.

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5 minutes ago, Stan said:

attack you ffs Brian grow a pair.

You seem to use your bias against Evra to deny he had any kind of quality. All you go on about is 'legs' and something that happened internationally for one tournament.

Your ignorance of his quality is blinded by your bias.

Haven't you said before that you didn't watch Premier League football around the time Evra was at Utd, late 00s etc?

I was about 10 in 2008 (around the time United made those CL runs). I wasn't that young. I wasn't as big a fan in 2008 as I was from 2012-2015 of the PL but I did feel I see enough to judge a player, albeit not in a professional manner as I said the other day. My dad was a massive fan so I would watch games with him from time to time. This is also why I love Riquelme, I would watch Boca games with him in the early 2000's when he was at Boca, I wasn't huge into football in that time but those were early memories of football around 4-6 years old. At 10, I have a better memory. Also have seen a few old games, but this is more World Cup than PL matches as they showed them on TV in Peru at times.

Also, I don't know where you got this "Evra bias" argument from. You do know people are allowed different opinions right? For me he was never world class and his lack of longevity (again, don't know about Monaco) didn't help. I admit he wasn't useless in the late 2000's like he was in this past decade, but there were better left backs for me even at his time.

Also, I don't recall saying that Evra was a crap left back. I think I might have said this in comparison to Alaba but I was a bit rash as I can be. I just don't think he's world class or near it. Said he was overrtated and I also think he was crap more time than he was good, but obviously you can't discount his good years. Just for me, he wasn't world class.

I also whole heartedly think Ferguson made certain players look better than they actually are. Not sure if Evra was one of them but I recall Phil Jones and Antonio Valencia had stellar seasons at the start but after Fergie retired they weren't great afterwards. No coincidence Evra was garbage everywhere else after that but I'm just speculating because he was already on the decline.

Anyways, Filipe Luis beat him who for me also wasn't a top left back so I'm glad I'm not the only one on here who thought Evra was overrated.

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1 minute ago, Vader said:

I was about 10 in 2008 (around the time United made those CL runs). I wasn't that young. I wasn't as big a fan in 2008 as I was from 2012-2015 of the PL but I did feel I see enough to judge a player, albeit not in a professional manner as I said the other day. My dad was a massive fan so I would watch games with him from time to time. This is also why I love Riquelme, I would watch Boca games with him in the early 2000's when he was at Boca, I wasn't huge into football in that time but those were early memories of football around 4-6 years old. At 10, I have a better memory. Also have seen a few old games, but this is more World Cup than PL matches as they showed them on TV in Peru at times.

Also, I don't know where you got this "Evra bias" argument from. You do know people are allowed different opinions right? For me he was never world class and his lack of longevity (again, don't know about Monaco) didn't help. I admit he wasn't useless in the late 2000's like he was in this past decade, but there were better left backs for me even at his time.

Also, I don't recall saying that Evra was a crap left back. I think I might have said this in comparison to Alaba but I was a bit rash as I can be. I just don't think he's world class or near it. Said he was overrtated and I also think he was crap more time than he was good, but obviously you can't discount his good years. Just for me, he wasn't world class.

I also whole heartedly think Ferguson made certain players look better than they actually are. Not sure if Evra was one of them but I recall Phil Jones and Antonio Valencia had stellar seasons at the start but after Fergie retired they weren't great afterwards. No coincidence Evra was garbage everywhere else after that but I'm just speculating because he was already on the decline.

Anyways, Filipe Luis beat him who for me also wasn't a top left back so I'm glad I'm not the only one on here who thought Evra was overrated.

 

9 hours ago, Vader said:

Mate, Evra has been garbage the entirety of this decade (or now the last one). From 2000-2010 he had some legs to stand on, but 2010-2020 he was one of the most overrated Left backs I've seen. So much there was a point Fabio was getting more minutes than him iirc xD

 

44 minutes ago, Vader said:

@Dr. Gonzo

Looks like my memory served me right.

Obviously this is secondary, but to be honest as a player I didn't like him too much. Was OK at the start for United, crap later on and then crap again at Juve and Marseille.

 

 

Please also bear in mind that I'm also not saying he was world class. I agree he wasn't, at least not for an extended period of time. But I don't think you give him enough credit for that successful period when he joined Utd til about 2010/11. He was one of the best in the league at that time. 

 

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1 minute ago, Stan said:

 

 

 

 

Please also bear in mind that I'm also not saying he was world class. I agree he wasn't, at least not for an extended period of time. But I don't think you give him enough credit for that successful period when he joined Utd til about 2010/11. He was one of the best in the league at that time. 

 

 

6 minutes ago, Vader said:

Also, I don't recall saying that Evra was a crap left back. I think I might have said this in comparison to Alaba but I was a bit rash as I can be. I just don't think he's world class or near it. Said he was overrtated and I also think he was crap more time than he was good, but obviously you can't discount his good years. Just for me, he wasn't world class.

Quote better next time ;) 

Agree to disagree. Let's leave it at a fair enough for both sides.

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1 hour ago, Vader said:

Oh yay the "you've never seen the player" card when you know you've lost the argumentxD

You can’t really make an argument in the first place when you’ve never seen anyone play though can you? Evra wouldn’t have been left back in various title winning United sides if he was overrated. It’s an absolutely ludicrous suggestion. He joined in 2006, you were 8 years old by your own admission. Nobody can comment on footballers before they’re mature enough to sit, watch games and make an informed decision/conclusion.

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Oh and Phil Jones has never had a stellar season in his entire career. He looked promising at Blackburn, that’s literally it. Valencia at a push has had a decent season or two, much like Young, Fletcher, those types of players who Ferguson grasped every last ounce of potential out of. You cannot categorise these players with Evra.  

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