Administrator Stan Posted June 24 Administrator Share Posted June 24 Kick-off 20.00 (BST) VS Venue - RheinEnergieStadion, Cologne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 I have this weird feeling like we’ll lose this and not go through. Dunno why and hopefully I’m wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan Posted June 24 Author Administrator Share Posted June 24 7 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said: I have this weird feeling like we’ll lose this and not go through. Dunno why and hopefully I’m wrong. Be almost practically impossible to not go through on 4 points. Already have top 3 place guaranteed, and not sure there's a scenario that if England do finish 3rd they won't finish as the one of the four best 3rd-place teams with the 4 points already on board. In fact it'll be pretty much confirmed England are through even if we do lose, should Albania and Croatia both lose tonight, or Albania win and Croatia win by a big margin. Either of those will be on 4 points too in that scenario and then it goes down to goal difference. If either of those finish in 3rd but less than 4 points, England will be guaranteed to qualify even if finishing 3rd - as Hungary currently occupy one of the best 3rd-place rankings with only 3 points, and one of Albania/Croatia will also be there but on less than 4 too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 Just now, Stan said: Be almost practically impossible to not go through on 4 points. Already have top 3 place guaranteed, and not sure there's a scenario that if England do finish 3rd they won't finish as the one of the four best 3rd-place teams with the 4 points already on board. In fact it'll be pretty much confirmed England are through even if we do lose, should Albania and Croatia both lose tonight, or Albania win and Croatia win by a big margin. Either of those will be on 4 points too in that scenario and then it goes down to goal difference. If either of those finish in 3rd but less than 4 points, England will be guaranteed to qualify even if finishing 3rd - as Hungary currently occupy one of the best 3rd-place rankings with only 3 points, and one of Albania/Croatia will also be there but on less than 4 too. Good point. So I just think we’ll lose lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber Dan+ Posted June 24 Subscriber Share Posted June 24 We'll go through for almost certain as Hungary finishing 3rd with 3 points only means England can only finish as low as 5th should we finish 3rd. If neither Albania or Croatia win tonight then England are through already. 4 points is easily enough this year - unless both games on the final day of group E end in draws in which case hard luck Ukraine Going much further though. Fat chance. Wouldn't be surprised if we blew tomorrow. We've looked abysmal and all the talk from the camp is ridiculously defensive. You can tell how easy they've had it for years when entirely valid criticism of their dreadful performance is treated like that. The relationship between the squad and media seems to have been severed. Everything pointing towards an embarrassing exit for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeKhrush Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 Gomes will come in for Trippier then its down to Southgate being smart for a change. go with Rice, Bellingham and Foden in the middle, Gordon out on the left and Saka right, drop Kane for Watkins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber Dan+ Posted June 24 Subscriber Share Posted June 24 He's starting Gallagher. Very predictable as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan Posted June 24 Author Administrator Share Posted June 24 6 minutes ago, Dan said: He's starting Gallagher. Very predictable as well. He's gotta ditch the 2 DMs. If you want the most out of this attacking prowess you have to give them the freedom and set up to do so. He's nullifying all of our attacking threats without the making the opposition try hard to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber Dan+ Posted June 24 Subscriber Share Posted June 24 2 hours ago, Stan said: He's gotta ditch the 2 DMs. If you want the most out of this attacking prowess you have to give them the freedom and set up to do so. He's nullifying all of our attacking threats without the making the opposition try hard to do so. He won't ditch 2 DMs. His comments on Phillips revealed everything. I called it pre-tournament but he fucked up with the left back situation. Not having a proper left back totally nullifies our game plan regardless of who the front four are. Shaw is now apparently doubtful for the whole tournament. It feels more 2016 by the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beelzebub Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 0-0 draw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunnersaurus Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 3 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said: I have this weird feeling like we’ll lose this and not go through. Dunno why and hopefully I’m wrong. We're guaranteed at least 3rd place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Palace Fan Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 Noticed earlier that if Holland match France's score then France, Germany, Portugal and Spain should be on the other side of the Knockout bracket. Got no idea what everyone's panicking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Palace Fan Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 1 hour ago, Dan said: called it pre-tournament but he fucked up with the left back situation. Not having a proper left back totally nullifies our game plan regardless of who the front four are. Shaw is now apparently doubtful for the whole tournament. It feels more 2016 by the day. He's taken four Palace players, and the one who would have been my first choice didn't even make the preliminary squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 7 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said: I have this weird feeling like we’ll lose this and not go through. Dunno why and hopefully I’m wrong. England have already qualified. This is the match where I expect England to perform close to their best. There is no reason not to. Player for player England are the better team and we have already qualified. So there is no reason to be tentative or conservative in our play when we play Slovenia. There is not much pressure on England in this game, so hopefully the players will be able to express themselves more. England should just go for it and play the attacking football that we know these players are capable of playing. Slovenia are no mugs, they've proven that they are a very decent side. But England are the stronger team and when the better sides press and pressure the opposition, they usually win. We should just go for it and attack the Slovenians from kick-off, we have nothing really to lose in this match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redcanuck Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 England won't lose. Win top the group and play better in the knockout rounds. Keep the faith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber Dan+ Posted June 25 Subscriber Share Posted June 25 8 hours ago, The Palace Fan said: He's taken four Palace players, and the one who would have been my first choice didn't even make the preliminary squad. I said it myself. We don't value a balanced team at international level at all. Too obsessed with individuals and who does or doesn't miss out. If England's strongest and most balanced XI omits Foden or Alexander-Arnold (for arguments sake) then so be it. Tough shit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 (edited) In the upcoming match, it appears that Gallagher will replace TA Arnold, a change that seems obvious and necessary. England have faced criticism for adopting a defensive approach once they've secured a lead. Personally, I disagree with this tactic, especially when England are stronger than their opponents. However, it's worth noting that many top teams follow a similar strategy after taking the lead. Managers often prioritize minimising risks. Nevertheless, today's match against Slovenia offers England a chance to showcase their abilities. Having already qualified for the Round of 16, I hope to see an impressive performance from England, with them scoring several goals. Hopefully Bellingham and Kane are on their "A" game today. Edited June 25 by Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beelzebub Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 18 hours ago, The Palace Fan said: Noticed earlier that if Holland match France's score then France, Germany, Portugal and Spain should be on the other side of the Knockout bracket. Got no idea what everyone's panicking about. One of the reasons why Portugal had it relatively easy in 2016, no disrespect to Croatia Wales etc This 24 team format awards mediocrity in the KO bracket. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeKhrush Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 So Gallagher in for Trent Spamlexander Arnold. This tournament needs another upset. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Dropping Trent makes sense if Southgate‘s going to play a team with no runners except Saka. But I don’t think it does much to stop the dour tactics. At least it’ll stop him from being scapegoated for these shit performances are, even though he’s still managed to statistically be England’s most creative player in a system that wastes him. 9 hours ago, Dan said: I said it myself. We don't value a balanced team at international level at all. Too obsessed with individuals and who does or doesn't miss out. If England's strongest and most balanced XI omits Foden or Alexander-Arnold (for arguments sake) then so be it. Tough shit. The squad’s got the players to fit in Foden and Alexander-Arnold, Bellingham and Kane into it in a way that’s less “hey lads fuck playing to your strengths” … I’m also wondering if Kane is dropping deeper than a titanic submersible because of managers instructions or out of frustration from the lack of creation. But I think after a few decent tournaments, you’d have hoped Southgate would have learned from watching players like Kane, Foden, Alexander-Arnold, and Bellingham that one of those 4 has a distinct problem with turning up in big games in knockout tournaments and the other 3 have had standout matches in some of the biggest matches of their lives. That’s 3 players that should have the team built around them for years to come tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 17 minutes ago, Beelzebub said: One of the reasons why Portugal had it relatively easy in 2016, no disrespect to Croatia Wales etc This 24 team format awards mediocrity in the KO bracket. With the exception of maybe Georgia and Albania as well as perhaps Turkey and Scotland, most of the teams at these Euros have proven how tough they can be. Portugal rightfully earned their tough win at Euro 2016. That was a Croatia team where the golden generation were at their peak and so were Bale and Ramsey in that Welsh side of Euro 2016. Those weren't mediocre teams, they had world class players. Credit should be given where credit is due. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted Tuesday at 13:40 Share Posted Tuesday at 13:40 10 hours ago, Dan said: I said it myself. We don't value a balanced team at international level at all. Too obsessed with individuals and who does or doesn't miss out. If England's strongest and most balanced XI omits Foden or Alexander-Arnold (for arguments sake) then so be it. Tough shit. That's a very valid point, because certain other teams at these Euros have done the exact opposite to what England have done. Where these teams have dropped some of their seemingly better players, in order to help the formation and strategies that these teams are deploying work out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan Posted Tuesday at 13:42 Author Administrator Share Posted Tuesday at 13:42 27 minutes ago, OrangeKhrush said: Trent Spamlexander Arnold. How old are you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beelzebub Posted Tuesday at 13:56 Share Posted Tuesday at 13:56 16 minutes ago, Michael said: With the exception of maybe Georgia and Albania as well as perhaps Turkey and Scotland, most of the teams at these Euros have proven how tough they can be. Portugal rightfully earned their tough win at Euro 2016. That was a Croatia team where the golden generation were at their peak and so were Bale and Ramsey in that Welsh side of Euro 2016. Those weren't mediocre teams, they had world class players. Credit should be given where credit is due. It rewards mediocre performance by the team in question in the group stages by giving them an easier bracket. Like the original post said how four group topers will end up on the same side of the bracket Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan Posted Tuesday at 14:46 Author Administrator Share Posted Tuesday at 14:46 1 hour ago, Michael said: Those weren't mediocre teams, they had world class players. Credit should be given where credit is due. You can have world class players but still put in mediocre performances... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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