Everton Discussion

[RandoEFC+]

58 minutes ago, Stan said:

I agree mate

 

 

Personally think the Reds edge it.

[The Artful Dodger]

On 17/08/2019 at 01:25, Dan said:

Fan organised displays and club funded displays are chalk and cheese. Fair play to them having a go.

Nah. Plastic flags are utterly embarrassing and American. I'm very disappointed in Everton and hope their fans show some spirt and urge the club to never stoop so low. Leave the flags to Leicester, Chelsea etc. 

Edited August 19, 2019 by The Artful Dodger

[Stan]

11 minutes ago, The Artful Dodger said:

I'm very disappointed in Everton and hope their fans show some spirt and urge the club to never stoop so low

Stoop so low to try and create some atmosphere?

Or is the preference to have a quiet ground which sounds like a morgue?

[The Artful Dodger]

4 minutes ago, Stan said:

Stoop so low to try and create some atmosphere?

Or is the preference to have a quiet ground which sounds like a morgue?

Yes, if that's the state of the fanbase that's the state of the fanbase. A good atmosphere comes from the innate feeling of the fans, you can't create that with flags. It's all so false, so cheesy and commercial.

[Stan]

4 minutes ago, The Artful Dodger said:

Yes, if that's the state of the fanbase that's the state of the fanbase. A good atmosphere comes from the innate feeling of the fans, you can't create that with flags. It's all so false, so cheesy and commercial.

So if fans try and find ways of improving atmosphere to help stop being lambasted or criticised for having a shit one, that's a bad thing?

[RandoEFC+]

Football is supposed to be fun. What's the fucking point in going to a game for the prices you have to pay these days if all you want to do is grumble about how American and commercialised your club is becoming when a small group of fans have made a small, simple effort to improve the atmosphere for the benefit of the team?

Everton do nothing for the atmosphere = worst fans in the world, shit atmosphere, no wonder the team look nervous when they're playing at home.

Everton fans do something proactive for the atmosphere = that's so forced, that's the type of thing you see in America, oh my god all those flags are made of plastic, that makes all of these match-going Everton fans "plastic".

Just goes to show you shouldn't pay too much heed to negative opinions because a lot of the time it's just down to people inherently wanting to moan and criticise everything they see in the world around them, or it's just people like @LFCMadLad who criticised our fans last year and actually called them the worst fans in the world because they were groaning at our poor performances, and now likes a post about how the atmosphere has to come from the team. Go figure.

The best thing to come out of this is the irony of @NairobiRed calling match-going Blues plastic fans for waving flags at a football match .

[The Artful Dodger]

13 minutes ago, Stan said:

So if fans try and find ways of improving atmosphere to help stop being lambasted or criticised for having a shit one, that's a bad thing?

Atmosphere is about good songs, the wit and feeling of the crowd. It simply can't be manufactured with things like plastic glags, drums, clappers etc. This isn't against any club in particular and I know Hull City have their own share of embarrassing things but it is a slow, creeping metamorphosis of British football into an American baseball crowd. Dull, brainless consumers there to be entertained. Most clubs have already lost their attachment to the area and people. 

Edited August 19, 2019 by The Artful Dodger

[Stan]

1 minute ago, The Artful Dodger said:

Atmosphere is about good songs, the wit and feeling of the crowd. It simply can't be manufactured with things like plastic glags, drums, clappers etc.

It can if it's done right.

Not to be biased but it's the best example I can think of considering I was pretty much there for every game - our 15/16 season and Champions League games. Lots of flags, great Tifos. It inspired fans to create atmosphere. Not to say there wouldn't have been any atmosphere without it, but it certainly helped to intensify it. 

It definitely helped the feeling of the crowd and even in games after those seasons without it, when there's a fan display or tifo it certainly does help. Our songs could be better as most of the time they're just re-hashed versions of other clubs' original songs. 

[Dr. Gonzo]

21 minutes ago, Stan said:

Our songs could be better as most of the time they're just re-hashed versions of other clubs' original songs. 

Every club in England tbh

[Dan+]

2 hours ago, The Artful Dodger said:

Nah. Plastic flags are utterly embarrassing and American. I'm very disappointed in Everton and hope their fans show some spirt and urge the club to never stoop so low. Leave the flags to Leicester, Chelsea etc. 

Maintain the biggest difference is the fact fans have gone to the effort as opposed to the club providing it even if that's the outcome. Everton's atmosphere's been hopeless for ages so at least they're trying.

[Dan+]

FWIW I do actually agree about the Americanisation but I'm not sure this particular instance is the problem.

[LFCMadLad]

2 hours ago, RandoEFC said:

Football is supposed to be fun. What's the fucking point in going to a game for the prices you have to pay these days if all you want to do is grumble about how American and commercialised your club is becoming when a small group of fans have made a small, simple effort to improve the atmosphere for the benefit of the team?

Everton do nothing for the atmosphere = worst fans in the world, shit atmosphere, no wonder the team look nervous when they're playing at home.

Everton fans do something proactive for the atmosphere = that's so forced, that's the type of thing you see in America, oh my god all those flags are made of plastic, that makes all of these match-going Everton fans "plastic".

Just goes to show you shouldn't pay too much heed to negative opinions because a lot of the time it's just down to people inherently wanting to moan and criticise everything they see in the world around them, or it's just people like @LFCMadLad who criticised our fans last year and actually called them the worst fans in the world because they were groaning at our poor performances, and now likes a post about how the atmosphere has to come from the team. Go figure.

The best thing to come out of this is the irony of @NairobiRed calling match-going Blues plastic fans for waving flags at a football match .

Why bring me into it?

I've not said a word (oh sorry I did a year ago) fuck me 

I couldn't give a fuck about Everton to be honest, them days are gone mate. Even banter is getting boring. 

[RandoEFC+]

16 minutes ago, LFCMadLad said:

Why bring me into it?

I've not said a word (oh sorry I did a year ago) fuck me 

I couldn't give a fuck about Everton to be honest, them days are gone mate. Even banter is getting boring. 

You're obviously following this thread as you've liked a post from it this morning.

I don't think it's unfair that I remember you calling our fanbase the worst fans in the world and bring it up in this context.

For what it's worth, in no way am I going down the "obsessed" route here, and I'm not making banter either.

I actually don't care what other clubs and fans think in the slightest. Sometimes you do something that looks cringeworthy to the outside and gets you laughed at, but it's a part of something bigger than that. A lot of people laughed at Klopp for taking his players for that lap of honour thing after scraping a home draw with West Brom, and laughed at the people who said he was trying to bring the fans and players properly together. None of those people are laughing about that now.

For the first time in my life, Everton are finally trying to actually do something. The new stadium is happening, no matter how many Liverpool fans on Twitter call it "their imaginary stadium", the fans love the look if it, they're excited by that, they're excited by the more ambitious but sensible and sustainable recruitment, so a small group of fans are trying to sustain the momentum by improving the atmosphere at home games. However, these fans have full time jobs so it's enough for them to make a gesture like they have done and for the rest of the crowd to appreciate it and generally join in. 

[The Artful Dodger]

I wonder if the lads in the brick participated in the flag waving, I highly doubt it. They'll be forced out completely soon. 

[Stan]

Can't knock that feeling of walking out from the concourse up to the stand and seeing the pitch and the whole stadium from the inside for the first time though... 

 

[LFCMadLad]

24 minutes ago, RandoEFC said:

You're obviously following this thread as you've liked a post from it this morning.

I don't think it's unfair that I remember you calling our fanbase the worst fans in the world and bring it up in this context.

For what it's worth, in no way am I going down the "obsessed" route here, and I'm not making banter either.

I actually don't care what other clubs and fans think in the slightest. Sometimes you do something that looks cringeworthy to the outside and gets you laughed at, but it's a part of something bigger than that. A lot of people laughed at Klopp for taking his players for that lap of honour thing after scraping a home draw with West Brom, and laughed at the people who said he was trying to bring the fans and players properly together. None of those people are laughing about that now.

For the first time in my life, Everton are finally trying to actually do something. The new stadium is happening, no matter how many Liverpool fans on Twitter call it "their imaginary stadium", the fans love the look if it, they're excited by that, they're excited by the more ambitious but sensible and sustainable recruitment, so a small group of fans are trying to sustain the momentum by improving the atmosphere at home games. However, these fans have full time jobs so it's enough for them to make a gesture like they have done and for the rest of the crowd to appreciate it and generally join in. 

I follow this thread (like any thread on the Prem section) because I get a notification whenever anything is posted, so I read it.

I actually cant believe I said something over a year ago and you're now trying to use it against me. Even tagging me in the post 

I sincerely hope Everton do well in everything they participate in mate.

[RandoEFC+]

32 minutes ago, Stan said:

Can't knock that feeling of walking out from the concourse up to the stand and seeing the pitch and the whole stadium from the inside for the first time though... 

 

Should be evicted for smiling at a football match, the family too. Disgraceful taking the seats of 50 year old men who will have to grumble in the pub listening on the radio instead.

[RandoEFC+]

17 minutes ago, LFCMadLad said:

I follow this thread (like any thread on the Prem section) because I get a notification whenever anything is posted, so I read it.

I actually cant believe I said something over a year ago and you're now trying to use it against me. Even tagging me in the post 

I sincerely hope Everton do well in everything they participate in mate.

You know what, I probably am overreacting, so I'll hold my hands up and withdraw my criticism. Sometimes I allow the daft Reds' posts on Twitter and elsewhere to colour my perception of what gets posted on here, it happens. 

I have no desire to read such sickening blasphemy as what you've used to finish this post.

[The Artful Dodger]

37 minutes ago, RandoEFC said:

Should be evicted for smiling at a football match, the family too. Disgraceful taking the seats of 50 year old men who will have to grumble in the pub listening on the radio instead.

You know that's not what I mean and are deliberately conflating it to make an skewed point. Fine, if you want goodison to become a waving flags, clappers kind of place then you'll be made up. For some to see a great, traditional club go that way is sickening. 

I'm arguing a lost cause anyway. Football as it should be is completely dead. It'd a middle class game now and increasingly looks like it. 

 

Edited August 19, 2019 by The Artful Dodger

[Stan]

39 minutes ago, RandoEFC said:

Should be evicted for smiling at a football match, the family too. Disgraceful taking the seats of 50 year old men who will have to grumble in the pub listening on the radio instead.

Hope he waved his flag with ultimate joy  

 

[LFCMadLad]

Not really a fan at all of plastic flags being handed out to try and generate an atmosphere, whether that's at Goodison, Anfield, Stamford Bridge or anywhere else. 

I'm not saying a ground should be banging in every game mind, but in the biggest games a crowd really should be rocking the place. 

Waving plastic flags handed out by the club just feels really fake to me.

[RandoEFC+]

11 minutes ago, The Artful Dodger said:

You know that's not what I mean and are deliberately conflating it to make an skewed point. Fine, if you want goodison to become a waving flags, clappers kind of place then you'll be made up. For some to see a great, traditional club go that way is sickening. 

I'm arguing a lost cause anyway. Football as it should be is completely dead. It'd a middle class game now and increasingly looks like it. 

 

I'm only messing about mate, hence the ninja face. All generations of the fanbase are the lifeblood of the football club. Things change over generations though. The kids waving flags today will be 50 year old men and women themselves one day sneering at whatever the next generations start doing at football matches. It's the circle of life.

I definitely get where you're coming from overall. I personally don't think plastic flags are going to make a huge difference to anything, if I was there on Saturday I'd probably have been reluctant to wave mine as a self-aware grown man, but probably would have joined in to acknowledge some of our fans trying to make an effort to improve the atmosphere.

But why I'm seeing it as a positive is that I'd rather see people trying to do something than nothing at all. They got a lot of kickback on social media before the game and tweeted that if it goes down like a lead balloon they'll try something else. The fact that they've tried out plastic flags specifically is irrelevant to me, what matters is they're trying to do something positive for the fans and the team.

1 minute ago, LFCMadLad said:

Waving plastic flags handed out by the club just feels really fake to me.

This is the key point though, it wasn't done by the club itself. It was done by a small independent group of fans who put a group together called The Originals towards the end of last season. This isn't a commercial thing by the club, even if they've obviously had to approve it being set up.

I'm all for it, Goodison's atmosphere has been criticised by our fans and other fans over the painful last few years, someone is trying to do something about it and if their first attempt was a bit cringeworthy then so be it, they've said they'll try other things to help get the place rocking again if the first things they try don't work.

[Dan+]

Clappers can fuck off by the way. They're an embarrassment and I've said it since day one. We aren't taken seriously as a fanbase while we have them. Again, a difference between them and the fans arranging a flag display.

[CaaC (John)+]

Kevin Mirallas leaves Everton to join Royal Antwerp

Belgium winger Kevin Mirallas has joined Royal Antwerp in his home country after seven years at Everton.

The 31-year-old made 186 appearances and scored 38 goals after signing from Olympiakos in 2012.

He returned on loan at the Greek club for six months in 2018 and spent last season at Serie A side Fiorentina.

On Friday, Everton boss Marco Silva said players like Mirallas who are on the fringes of the first-team squad need to "find a solution".

Speaking about the Belgian and Congolese winger Yannick Bolasie, Silva added: "It is important for them to play as much as they can because if they stay here not playing football it is not the best thing for them."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49529590

[RandoEFC+]

Finally.

Bolasie next please.