The Big Middle Eastern Thread

[Dr. Gonzo]

1 hour ago, OrangeKhrush said:

Have you had a look at Al Jazeera and Middle East Eye,  the conspiracy theories are out it full force. 

Al Jazeera immediately blamed Israel because their dicks got hard at the idea of getting Iranians to go to war and die for their Palestinian friends.

[Rucksackfranzose]

2 hours ago, OrangeKhrush said:

Have you had a look at Al Jazeera and Middle East Eye,  the conspiracy theories are out it full force. 

What exactly have Al Jazeera and Middle East Eye to do with the left, again?

[OrangeKhrush]

2 hours ago, Rucksackfranzose said:

What exactly have Al Jazeera and Middle East Eye to do with the left, again?

Have you seen the names on the comment section of those channels,  full of American/Europeans that seem to pass comment like this was a Zionist agenda.   Leftists have gotten into bed with Islam,  one comment was "Iran need strong leaders if they want to fight the zionists" imagine how far gone you have to be to somehow think that this was America/Israels doing,  or to think that the death of "the butcher of Tehran" is a bad thing for everyone in general. 

[OrangeKhrush]

2 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Al Jazeera immediately blamed Israel because their dicks got hard at the idea of getting Iranians to go to war and die for their Palestinian friends.

Even Hassan Piker has come out and said its absolute conspiracy. 

[Dr. Gonzo]

EU offering condolences to a human rights abusing government because of the loss of a prominent mass murderer:

Josep Borrell deserves all the hate he gets from Iranians.

[Rucksackfranzose]

2 hours ago, OrangeKhrush said:

Have you seen the names on the comment section of those channels,  full of American/Europeans that seem to pass comment like this was a Zionist agenda.   Leftists have gotten into bed with Islam,  one comment was "Iran need strong leaders if they want to fight the zionists" imagine how far gone you have to be to somehow think that this was America/Israels doing,  or to think that the death of "the butcher of Tehran" is a bad thing for everyone in general. 

Al Jazeera is owned by Sheik Hamad Ben Chalifa Al Thani from the absolute monarchist family of Qatar, you can't be politicallly more right than supporting an absolute monarchy. No leftist would use such media! So although you might disagree with the opinions raised on this site, that doesn't make the persons holding them leftist, yet. In other words you- again- used a political term you don't understand. Like libertarianism, communism, anarchism, woke, and monarchy. Seriously reading up political theory would be helpful for you. On a sidenote: As a jew you're expected to know that anti-zionism is even more widespread on the politigcal right than on the left. Also anti-Americanism isn't a leftist monopoly neither. Aw and while we're at it no going into bed with Islam isn't leftist since the political left is between other things defined as being anti-religious. Oops.

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2 hours ago, OrangeKhrush said:

Have you seen the names on the comment section of those channels,  full of American/Europeans that seem to pass comment like this was a Zionist agenda.   Leftists have gotten into bed with Islam,  one comment was "Iran need strong leaders if they want to fight the zionists" imagine how far gone you have to be to somehow think that this was America/Israels doing,  or to think that the death of "the butcher of Tehran" is a bad thing for everyone in general. 

Coming from a guy that's a cheerleader for Israel's genocide, I don't think you can suggest that anyone else is "too far gone".

And imagine how much you'd cry if someone said "the far right have gotten in bed with Judaism"... Although that crying would probably make you feel fulfilled and satisfy your desperation to play the victim which you help distract people away from valid criticism towards Nazi Israel.

The Iranian leader was a dickhead. Hopefully the same fate can meet Israel's dickhead leaders too. Unfortunately the car crash, the psychotic security minister of Israel was in, wasn't fatal but we can hope.

[Spike]

40 minutes ago, Rucksackfranzose said:

Al Jazeera is owned by Sheik Hamad Ben Chalifa Al Thani from the absolute monarchist family of Qatar, you can't be politicallly more right than supporting an absolute monarchy. No leftist would use such media! So although you might disagree with the opinions raised on this site, that doesn't make the persons holding them leftist, yet. In other words you- again- used a political term you don't understand. Like libertarianism, communism, anarchism, woke, and monarchy. Seriously reading up political theory would be helpful for you. On a sidenote: As a jew you're expected to know that anti-zionism is even more widespread on the politigcal right than on the left. Also anti-Americanism isn't a leftist monopoly neither. Aw and while we're at it no going into bed with Islam isn't leftist since the political left is between other things defined as being anti-religious. Oops.

Adding more fuel to the fire, Karl Marx was ethnically Jewish, as his father converted to Lutheranism before his birth. There are instances throughout history of Jewish people being persecuted for leftist ideals or even worse 'the Jewish Bolshevism' that communism was a Jewish plot to undermine western society through the use of 'cultural Marxism'. How ironic that someone would use the same tactics against leftists that Nazis used against Jewish people..

[OrangeKhrush]

14 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

EU offering condolences to a human rights abusing government because of the loss of a prominent mass murderer:

Josep Borrell deserves all the hate he gets from Iranians.

The UN is not fit for purpose

 

We are led to believe that Gaza is wrecked and people are suffering, they seem in high spirits here and it looks rather undamaged.

[OrangeKhrush]

13 hours ago, Rucksackfranzose said:

Al Jazeera is owned by Sheik Hamad Ben Chalifa Al Thani from the absolute monarchist family of Qatar, you can't be politicallly more right than supporting an absolute monarchy. No leftist would use such media! So although you might disagree with the opinions raised on this site, that doesn't make the persons holding them leftist, yet. In other words you- again- used a political term you don't understand. Like libertarianism, communism, anarchism, woke, and monarchy. Seriously reading up political theory would be helpful for you. On a sidenote: As a jew you're expected to know that anti-zionism is even more widespread on the politigcal right than on the left. Also anti-Americanism isn't a leftist monopoly neither. Aw and while we're at it no going into bed with Islam isn't leftist since the political left is between other things defined as being anti-religious. Oops.

Yes it is but the traffic received by that channel is western liberals and radical islamists.   Leftists through intersectionality look for victim/oppressor even if they overlook the things islamists do to their own.

You will never see right wingers celebrating or cheering death of Jews, you will see far left though.  What is also noted is that lefties gave the Iranian regime power only for them to be summarily executed afterwards.

There was a video doing the rounds on youtube that got censored and it may be on substack now but the video was a Yemeni governor talking about how they dont bother trying to sway right wing because they have principals, they focus on lefties and marxists that hate their country to spread Islam.   

I have made it clear here before that anti semitism is the only form of racism that transcends left and right wing.  The right wing are just less flagrant about it outside the small pocket of neo nazis

Edited May 21 by OrangeKhrush

[MUFC]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crgygdr7vezo

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The US government, being the shitheads they are, thinking about imposing sanctions on the ICC for issuing an arrest warrant for America's favourite war criminal, Benjamin Netanyahu. These cunts always making things worse in international politics. Zionism's hold on America's politicians really needs loosening.

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14 hours ago, OrangeKhrush said:

I have made it clear here before that anti semitism is the only form of racism that transcends left and right wing.  The right wing are just less flagrant about it outside the small pocket of neo nazis

Yes, you have made it clear that you try to conflate valid criticism of Israel with antisemitism to try and invalidate that criticism while at the same time trying to use it as a weapon in your agenda against "lefties".

Must be hard work trying to play the part of a fake victim of bigotry while glorifying right wing bigots that hate everything they cant identify with. Might be the reason you constantly expose yourself to contradiction.

[Spike]

17 hours ago, OrangeKhrush said:

Yes it is but the traffic received by that channel is western liberals and radical islamists.   Leftists through intersectionality look for victim/oppressor even if they overlook the things islamists do to their own.

You will never see right wingers celebrating or cheering death of Jews, you will see far left though.  What is also noted is that lefties gave the Iranian regime power only for them to be summarily executed afterwards.

There was a video doing the rounds on youtube that got censored and it may be on substack now but the video was a Yemeni governor talking about how they dont bother trying to sway right wing because they have principals, they focus on lefties and marxists that hate their country to spread Islam.   

I have made it clear here before that anti semitism is the only form of racism that transcends left and right wing.  The right wing are just less flagrant about it outside the small pocket of neo nazis

1. You used intersectionality incorrectly. It is discrimination/privilege dichotomy not victim/oppressor, and it is a specific idea from certain feminists movements, not necessarily a leftist ideal. 

2. Yes, you do. Quite often actually given many right wing ideologies have antisemitism as a tenant. And just so you know racism is fundamentally in opposition to leftist theory, any expressions of racism are a contradiction. Lefties did not give power to IRI that was Jimmy Carter @Dr. Gonzo.Mojahedin was a footnote on the revolution.

3. How convenient that you can’t procure any evidence. Also a genius strategy of Yemen to propagandise about 0.1% of western people that identify as Marxists.

4. Liberalism and Islamism aren’t Leftist ideas. Once again you have no idea what you are talking about. And no, Jewish people aren’t the exclusive victims of universal racism, grow up.

 

 

 

 

Edited May 22 by Spike

[Dr. Gonzo]

There’s truth in what both @OrangeKhrush& @Spike have said, but it’s a bit more nuanced.

The left wing did help Khomeini take power. But it wasn’t just the left wing. It was the centrists and the right wing too. Anyone not in the very upper crust of the Shah’s Iran had serious and legitimate grievances - across all segments of life. It wasn’t partisan.

And ultimately the IR betrayed them all. That’s why all of the legitimate problems that existed under the Shah still exist today… it’s just worse.

But Spike is right that ultimately it’s Carter’s fault. A US puppet only falls when the US stops caring to pull the strings.

[Spike]

2 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

There’s truth in what both @OrangeKhrush& @Spike have said, but it’s a bit more nuanced.

The left wing did help Khomeini take power. But it wasn’t just the left wing. It was the centrists and the right wing too. Anyone not in the very upper crust of the Shah’s Iran had serious and legitimate grievances - across all segments of life. It wasn’t partisan.

And ultimately the IR betrayed them all. That’s why all of the legitimate problems that existed under the Shah still exist today… it’s just worse.

But Spike is right that ultimately it’s Carter’s fault. A US puppet only falls when the US stops caring to pull the strings.

Fascinating! What a nightmare, a much more unique and strange event than I had understood it to be.

[Spike]

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Edited May 23 by Spike

[Rucksackfranzose]

6 hours ago, OrangeKhrush said:

i will concur with this,  ultimately the US did topple a democracy even though the Shah was not ideal,  it was better than the hardliners ever would be. 

 

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These were people executed for being to "westernised" and "crimes against Allah". 

 

The  Shah regime a democracy? Are you completely moronic? Since when is an absolute monarchy a democracy? It's actually the exact opposite.Since democracy means "rule of the people" and aan absolute monarchy is in contrast the rule of a singular person. Really stop talking such a lot of bullshit.

Edited May 23 by Rucksackfranzose

[MUFC]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckrr0e3y29po

[OrangeKhrush]

On 23/05/2024 at 04:05, Rucksackfranzose said:

The  Shah regime a democracy? Are you completely moronic? Since when is an absolute monarchy a democracy? It's actually the exact opposite.Since democracy means "rule of the people" and aan absolute monarchy is in contrast the rule of a singular person. Really stop talking such a lot of bullshit.

you attack a Freudian slip instead of the principal that America is the puppeteer responsible for a lot of instability.   Since we are on democracy how is will of the people enhanced when Germany wants to place a Islamic nationalist group on the ban list because they have massive support and calling for a caliphate in German.  If democracy is will of the people then populism is democracy and its not really democracy that is needing protection but rather constitutional democracy that needs protecting. 

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[Rucksackfranzose]

4 hours ago, OrangeKhrush said:

you attack a Freudian slip instead of the principal that America is the puppeteer responsible for a lot of instability.   Since we are on democracy how is will of the people enhanced when Germany wants to place a Islamic nationalist group on the ban list because they have massive support and calling for a caliphate in German.  If democracy is will of the people then populism is democracy and its not really democracy that is needing protection but rather constitutional democracy that needs protecting. 

So calling the Shah regime was a Freudian slip according to yourself! So which subconscious feelings are revealed by that sentence? Your wish all democracies were autocratic dictatorships? Or your assumption every regime that represents values you define as "Western" would be democratic for that reason only, regardless how much of an oppressive and totalitarian police state they indeed are?

Edited May 28 by Rucksackfranzose

[Bluebird Hewitt]

US saying that Israel's operation in Rafah doesn't cross red lines.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cv22pl9p212o

[OrangeKhrush]

On 28/05/2024 at 22:47, Rucksackfranzose said:

So calling the Shah regime was a Freudian slip according to yourself! So which subconscious feelings are revealed by that sentence? Your wish all democracies were autocratic dictatorships? Or your assumption every regime that represents values you define as "Western" would be democratic for that reason only, regardless how much of an oppressive and totalitarian police state they indeed are?

They traded an Iranian dynasty for an Islamic totalitarian one.   In the end we know the wrong one is in power.

[OrangeKhrush]

23 hours ago, Bluebird Hewitt said:

US saying that Israel's operation in Rafah doesn't cross red lines.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cv22pl9p212o

America are playing this like there is an election on the line.  Joe knows he needs Jewish, Islam and leftist votes to get him there and it's not looking good.

Ted Cruz ripped Blinken a new one in a Senate committee.   Biden came in and made iran richer which led to the arming of proxies.   It is now spiralling into a catastrophe for Bidens regime.

Two hamas commanders were killed however stored munitions caches exploded starting rampant fires.  What needs explaining is why munitions depots are in a "safe zone" and why rockets were fired from it, and why Hamas are there.  It's time to start pressuring Hamas to stop.