Cicero Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 They’ve already returned to London. Rightly so, Tomorrow’s game will be a better one given we will see more 1st teamers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True Blue Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 9 hours ago, Cicero said: They’ve already returned to London. Rightly so, Tomorrow’s game will be a better one given we will see more 1st teamers I've seen some news that some of them returned, is there a link to that mate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True Blue Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 (edited) Found it: Chelsea returning players to London : Marc Guehi, Trevoh Chalobah, Dujon Sterling, Conor Gallagher, Lewis Baker, Lucas Piazon, Izzy Brown and Ike Ugbo With Maatsen and Gilmour staying for the weekend and then returning. Current team: GOALKEEPERS: Arrizabalaga, Caballero, Cumming DEFENDERS: Alonso, Ampadu, Azpilicueta, Christensen, David Luiz, Emerson, Maatsen, Tomori, Zappacosta, Zouma MIDFIELDERS: Bakayoko, Barkley, Drinkwater, Gilmour, Jorginho, Kanté, Kovačić, Mount FORWARDS: Abraham, Batshuayi, Giroud, Kenedy, Palmer, Pedro With Willian injured, Kasey Palmer will travel with the team to Japan. Edited July 12, 2019 by True Blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluewolf Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 Chelsea 1-0 up against St Patrick's Athletic Mount the scorer after 14 minutes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluewolf Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 Emerson 2-0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluewolf Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 Could have had 4 or 5 in that half, their keeper doing well.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluewolf Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 Giroud 3-0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 Night and day difference in quality. Lampard looks to be tactically flexible. Multiple systems we are seeing. Just need to find the right one with our current crop that provides the most fluidity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carefreeluke Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 2 Advanced issues found ▲ 1 On 10/07/2019 at 23:46, Cicero said: 90% of the players won’t ever be used. The likes of Piazon, Baker, and Brown need to leave. They aren’t kids anymore. Man that was a tough watch. A chance to make a name for yourself in front of Lamps and the majority didn’t look bothered. Just hope Lampard isn’t a ‘nice guy’. Without saying how one of my best mates knows Jody Morris well on a personal level and he doesn't take any shit apparently. He's not afraid to make a decision and when he's crossed the person capable will definitely know about it. Lampard might come across very nice but in fairness, we don't know really what he's like day to day. Anyway, it still doesn't feel real that Lampard is the manager of Chelsea Football Club. As well as some other familiar faces from the past taking up big roles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFCMadLad Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 I know a derby fan and hes not arsed one bit that Lampard's gone. Reckons hes too defensive? Cant say I ever took enough notice really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 10 hours ago, LFCMadLad said: I know a derby fan and hes not arsed one bit that Lampard's gone. Reckons hes too defensive? Cant say I ever took enough notice really. I would sincerely question your mate's rational if he thought Lampard's Derby was a far too defensive team. Anyway, Lampard might be taking Gilmour to preseason in Japan after his showings in Ireland. Gilmour will either turn into something special or be another Colkett, Baker, and McEachran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFCMadLad Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 51 minutes ago, Cicero said: I would sincerely question your mate's rational if he thought Lampard's Derby was a far too defensive team. As I said, I cant really comment because I didn't take that much notice but I'm not going to question a Derby season ticket holder who watched them live virtually every game that Lampard was in charge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 (edited) 28 minutes ago, LFCMadLad said: As I said, I cant really comment because I didn't take that much notice but I'm not going to question a Derby season ticket holder who watched them live virtually every game that Lampard was in charge. So was Term-X yet he was an absolute buffoon. Again, I would sincerely question your mate's rational if he though Lampard's Derby was a defensive team. They were known in the championship for their high pressing, energy, and quick transition. Lampard took one of the youngest teams in the league to a play off final, and was a GK error away from being promoted to the premier league. Maybe your mate was referencing Gary Rowett who was manager prior, (even more defensive than Tony Pulis) as for the life of me I cannot fathom such a comment be made after Lampard's appointment. Literally night and day difference in tactical styles. Edited July 14, 2019 by Cicero Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFCMadLad Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 5 minutes ago, Cicero said: So was Term-X yet he was an absolute buffoon. Again, I would sincerely question your mate's rational if he though Lampard's Derby was a defensive team. They were known in the championship for their high pressing, energy, and quick transition. Lampard took one of the youngest teams in the league to a play off final, and was a GK error away from being promoted to the premier league. Maybe your mate was referencing Gary Rowett who was manager prior, (even more defensive than Tony Pulis) as for the life of me I cannot fathom such a comment be made after Lampard's appointment. Literally night and day difference in tactical styles. You can press high with energy and be quick in transition whilst still being tactically defensive mate Anyway, I'm really not that arsed. I am however intrigued to see how Lampard fairs with a top Premier League team. Maybe he needs to be tactically defensive with Chelsea to reach any sort of success? All out attack with this Chelsea side could be the wrong way to go about things? Who knows, we'll have to wait and see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True Blue Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 Liked the first half with a diamond 4-4-2 looked refreshing and it seemed like we always had a target up top with Tammy and Bats. In the second the 4-3-3 gave us the same problems we had for ages. No one in the box, but a good run for a pre season game. It is much clearer that many of these won't be here starting the season. I was always one of those who supported Baka coming back but he was God awful in our last game, made Gilmour look twice the player. Don't think Lampard should give him a spot over let's say Mount or any talented midfielder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Artful Dodger Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 18 hours ago, Cicero said: So was Term-X yet he was an absolute buffoon. Again, I would sincerely question your mate's rational if he though Lampard's Derby was a defensive team. They were known in the championship for their high pressing, energy, and quick transition. Lampard took one of the youngest teams in the league to a play off final, and was a GK error away from being promoted to the premier league. Maybe your mate was referencing Gary Rowett who was manager prior, (even more defensive than Tony Pulis) as for the life of me I cannot fathom such a comment be made after Lampard's appointment. Literally night and day difference in tactical styles. One way of spinning it. The other is he took a team that finished 6th and finished 6th again, despite all manner of favours and loans from his contacts. They were outclassed in the play-off final and did not deserve to go up. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 4-4-2 diamond will only work well with fullbacks willing to get up and down the pitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 45 minutes ago, The Artful Dodger said: One way of spinning it. The other is he took a team that finished 6th and finished 6th again, despite all manner of favours and loans from his contacts. They were outclassed in the play-off final and did not deserve to go up. Didn’t watch a lot of Derby myself but from less bias accounts this seems to be the more frequent one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 Mason Mount pens a 5 year deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True Blue Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 Hope he is a part of the new season, with Bakayoko and Drinkwater making way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFCMadLad Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 6 hours ago, Cicero said: 4-4-2 diamond will only work well with fullbacks willing to get up and down the pitch. If you dont have the personnel to implement a formation then you simply dont implement that specific formation. A good manager, when first taking over a club, picks a formation that suits the players. Not the other way round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 9 minutes ago, LFCMadLad said: If you dont have the personnel to implement a formation then you simply dont implement that specific formation. A good manager, when first taking over a club, picks a formation that suits the players. Not the other way round. I’d rather a manager stick with his guns vs giving in to the players. But to each their own. Lampard has played a different formation in each half the past two friendlies. 4-4-2 diamond has looked the best but our fullbacks have a lot of work cut out for them against top opposition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFCMadLad Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, Cicero said: I’d rather a manager stick with his guns vs giving in to the players. But to each their own. What a bizarre way of looking at it? I didn't mean a manager just taking over at a new club should GIVE IN to his players (cant believe I'm having to explain this tbh), I meant that he should be flexible enough to implement a formation that suits the players hes got, rather than just stick to his guns! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, LFCMadLad said: What a bizarre way of looking at it? I didn't mean a manager just taking over at a new club should GIVE IN to his players (cant believe I'm having to explain this tbh), I meant that he should be flexible enough to implement a formation that suits the players hes got, rather than just stick to his guns! I don’t think a manager should abandon his philosophy to tailor to the players at his disposal, being it a formation or overall playing style. I’d rather a manager stick with something vs give in to players and their limitations, So long as I see what the manager wants and what he is trying to do. 9 hours ago, The Artful Dodger said: One way of spinning it. The other is he took a team that finished 6th and finished 6th again, despite all manner of favours and loans from his contacts. They were outclassed in the play-off final and did not deserve to go up. Not really the point of my argument. Edited July 15, 2019 by Cicero Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFCMadLad Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 4 minutes ago, Cicero said: I don’t think a manager should abandon his philosophy to tailor to the players at his disposal, being it a formation or overall playing style. I’d rather a manager stick with something vs give in to players and their limitations, So long as I see what the manager wants and what he is trying to do Ok, so if a manager is failing miserably because his players, that hes only just met, just dont suit the new managers system, and therefore are in really poor form.. you think he should just carry on with that one singular philosophy? Very restricted viewpoint but fair enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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