Bayern München Thread

[Tommy]

Perfect match to get the Bayern hate temperatures back up. Rafinha, Ribery, Vidal, what a hateable bunch of cunts How Ribery celebrated after his penalty, as if it was the Champions League final. Anyway, decent match. Quite happy with what I've seen from Dortmund. Zagadou looked promising despite being played out of position. Pulisic will have a great season as well I reckon. I'm still convinced that Bayern's first goal was offside btw. 

[TrstnFCB]

So Holger has signed with Stuttgart. Good move I think. I just hope he'll be able to stay fit this time and that it'll end up being the place where he can get his career slowly back on track again. The few moments when he wasn't injured with us over the last few years he showed that he's still a great defender. He definitely deserves to catch a break for once.

 

Also from today:

 

[Spike]

7 minutes ago, TrstnFCB said:

So Holger has signed with Stuttgart. Good move I think. I just hope he'll be able to stay fit this time and that it'll end up being the place where he can get his career slowly back on track again. The few moments when he wasn't injured with us over the last few years he showed that he's still a great defender. He definitely deserves to catch a break for once.

 

Also from today:

 

Vidal is literally making a Jojo Bizarre Adventure pose  lol

[TrstnFCB]

Ugh, apparently we rejected an offer of 50 million from Milan for Sanches, one year loan with option to buy the only option. Blows imo. I really didn't like his attitude last season, we don't need more of that shit on the team. Its too bad Benko was injured for a good chunk of our pre-season, would have been great for him to get the chance to show what he can do now. I remember last year he was looking so promising when he got the chance and he's older now plus can also play on the wing.

[Viva la FCB+]

On 8/11/2017 at 5:59 PM, TrstnFCB said:

Ugh, apparently we rejected an offer of 50 million from Milan for Sanches, one year loan with option to buy the only option. Blows imo. I really didn't like his attitude last season, we don't need more of that shit on the team. Its too bad Benko was injured for a good chunk of our pre-season, would have been great for him to get the chance to show what he can do now. I remember last year he was looking so promising when he got the chance and he's older now plus can also play on the wing.

Well from what i read it was a 2 year loan for €5m per with an option to purchase for €40m at the end. If you look at it like that i kind of understand with inflation the €40m in 2 years time could be peanuts hell even now it kind of is for the fees being paid. If they really wanted to offload him then it would have been done. Well see how the year plays out for him and if KHR was just full of air talking about him getting more playing time and whatnot. I just dont see a spot to honest is my concern, Rudy's been as i expected very solid so far in pre season; pretty much Sanches is at the back of the line the way things stand as i see them.

[Viva la FCB+]

I already loved you Robben!

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/arjen-robben-bayern-munich-letter-to-my-younger-self/

[korab]

For now Bayern got big problem, any time grandpas are on the field Bayern means nothing, they are (grandpas) most important and showing that they are as good as new. As long as they stay on the field for more than 15 min at the end of the game there won't be any renewal for Bayern. As you can see in post above it's not easy task for coaches or mgmt to seat those freewheeling "young" guys, those fans living in the past will kill them but somebody has to do it. Bayern has to build team and not the show case for Robben or Ribbery, with them it will never happen.

[Viva la FCB+]

Good guy Hummels, in the neighbourhood of €75,000 per year. Glad to see some start doing this.

 

[TrstnFCB]

On 8/14/2017 at 2:06 PM, Viva la FCB said:

Well from what i read it was a 2 year loan for €5m per with an option to purchase for €40m at the end. If you look at it like that i kind of understand with inflation the €40m in 2 years time could be peanuts hell even now it kind of is for the fees being paid. If they really wanted to offload him then it would have been done. Well see how the year plays out for him and if KHR was just full of air talking about him getting more playing time and whatnot. I just dont see a spot to honest is my concern, Rudy's been as i expected very solid so far in pre season; pretty much Sanches is at the back of the line the way things stand as i see them.

From what I've seen on twitter KHR is still admitting that it'll be hard to give Sanches much time this season given our present midfield. He doesn't seem to be entertaining much illusions from the latest statements. I wouldn't be surprised if he turned out to be yet another 5 minute golden boy. Would rather place Dorsch and Benko ahead of him. Kid just rubs me the wrong way and after the Euros never really made a good impression anyway. We've dumped decent German/academy youth in the past who would have been worth spending more time on than him.

 

Anyways, for today's match I honestly thought Thiago would be back. He's been back in team training since end of July and all the info seemed to suggest it wasn't serious. But seems to keep dragging out. Boateng, Neuer, Thiago, James, Martinez and Bernat all still out injured for the match today.

Bild is predicting: Ulreich - Kimmich, Süle, Hummels, Alaba - Rudy, Vidal - Robben, Müller, Ribéry - Lewandowski

Think Tolisso deserves to start over Vidal though. He and Rudy have been doing well together. Also think we should try starting Coman over Robben. And really hope that's our starting defense with no Rafinha.

[Viva la FCB+]

3 hours ago, TrstnFCB said:

Would rather place Dorsch and Benko ahead of him. 

Honestly i wouldnt be opposed to that either, problem is if that is whats to be done he needed to be sold this summer to recoup most of the fee we outlaid.

3 hours ago, TrstnFCB said:

Anyways, for today's match I honestly thought Thiago would be back. He's been back in team training since end of July and all the info seemed to suggest it wasn't serious. But seems to keep dragging out. Boateng, Neuer, Thiago, James, Martinez and Bernat all still out injured for the match today.

Bild is predicting: Ulreich - Kimmich, Süle, Hummels, Alaba - Rudy, Vidal - Robben, Müller, Ribéry - Lewandowski

Think Tolisso deserves to start over Vidal though. He and Rudy have been doing well together. Also think we should try starting Coman over Robben. And really hope that's our starting defense with no Rafinha.

Im on board with that, the Bayern curse naturally James gets injured before hes played a proper game. I mean at least with the squad depth we have im perfectly fine with this lineup. The only potentially catastrophic injury would be Lewy going down for any signifcant time *knock on wood* with virtually no replacement in the squad. I agree with Tolisso, probably would upset Vidal not starting the first match but plus being again Leverkussen even more significance to him. Im happy Rudy is starting anywho. Should be a doozie. Im glad the seasons finally back.

Edited August 18, 2017 by Viva la FCB

[TrstnFCB]

Jesus christ what rain coming down the last 15 or so of the match! Players looking like drowned rats out there, but looks like the pitch is holding out thankfully. Feel sorry for both Ulreich and Leno though in that downpour. Nice goals from the two new boys Süle and Tolisso! Seems like Ancelotti didn't want to choose between Tolisso and Vidal afterall...though other than his assist Vidal hasn't done much good. That said our front line is looking sharp as fuck. Hopefully that hit on Ribéry didn't do much damage though.

Was honestly expecting Leverkusen to put up more of a fight. Given their performance last season I figured they'd be keen to start the new season on a more promising note than this. A few decent attacks, one where we were saved by Kimmich and another where we were frankly lucky, but otherwise well we're steamrolling them a bit and wouldn't be surprised to see more goals in this one for us.

[God is Haaland]

 

[korab]

To me BVB got more chances to advance in CL than Bayern with their spaghetti system employed now under THAT guy. Spaghetti system is mixture of nothing and Guardiola never ending passing for no purpose. I hope that Bayern will win some trophy for number of useless passes, all those statistic sites should award some price to them for delivering a lot of numbers to crunch for them.

Watching Bayern now a days is really painful experience, without the case of beer or bottle of hard stuff it would be unbearable. 

Can I sue them for pushing me into alcoholism?  Do we have some lawyers on this site? 

[Viva la FCB+]

 

[TrstnFCB]

^Not sure how much I buy that "what about Müller" argument. If anything, Draxler could have been a very solid solution to our winger woes, particularly on the left where Thomas has rarely ever played anyway. Ribéry is fit now, but for how long is the ever present question. There's Coman as well who can play on the left and he's not shabby at that, but looking at our injury track record the position is still quite thin. If that was the supposed main reason for not signing Draxler, it's surprisingly ill considered.

Anyway, in other news I'm glad we've finally loaned out Sanches. We'll see what happens.

[Viva la FCB+]

Neuer confirmed as Lewys backup.

 

On 9/2/2017 at 9:18 AM, TrstnFCB said:

^Not sure how much I buy that "what about Müller" argument. If anything, Draxler could have been a very solid solution to our winger woes, particularly on the left where Thomas has rarely ever played anyway. Ribéry is fit now, but for how long is the ever present question. There's Coman as well who can play on the left and he's not shabby at that, but looking at our injury track record the position is still quite thin. If that was the supposed main reason for not signing Draxler, it's surprisingly ill considered.

Anyway, in other news I'm glad we've finally loaned out Sanches. We'll see what happens.

Yep i agree completely. We've had multiple chances to sign him is the peculiar thing about all this and it seems everytime we've passed for one reason or another. It actually makes quite a bit of sense to bring him in especially with Robbery in their last year of their contract and definitely Ribsy is at the end of his starting days. Coman has looked good so far in the early going hopefully he keeps it up but as you say reguardless we need capable cover. 

The Sanches deal i think worked out well, he should get some good playing time at Swansea and with the connection to Clement everything seems rosey. 

[TrstnFCB]

Good article from Bavarian Football Works about the present situation after today's draw:

 

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After the drama that has surrounded Bayern Munich all week, they desperately needed a win against Hertha BSC. They didn’t. Instead what they got was a dysfunctional performance, at times dominating and at others woefully inept as Bayern blew a 2-0 lead halfway through the second half, earning a 2-2 draw against Hertha BSC.

My name is Javi Martinez, you killed my father, prepare to die

The first 45 minutes of the match against Hertha BSC were as dominating a defensive performance as we’ve seen from Bayern Munich in many a year. At the center was Javi Martinez who returned to defensive midfield. In partnership with Jerome Boateng and Mats Hummels, the more mobile Martinez was inimitable. He harassed and harried Hertha BSC for much of the first half, winning balls time and again and launching attacks forward. This was a brief glimpse of the Martinez-led Bayern Munich defense that won them a treble five years ago.

However for all their strength in the first half, their early second half performance belied a partnership that was green. When Hertha was able to get behind Martinez, Tolisso’s poor defensive showing exposed Boateng and Hummels who tried to compensate. Genko Haraguchi’s slalom run through the entire Bayern defense en route to Hertha’s first goal was proof enough of a set of players lacking familiarity with their positional relationships.

As Thiago ticks, so too does the Bayern Munich midfield

Despite Bayern’s showing in defense, their midfield still left a lot to be desired going the opposite way. Corentin Tolisso while solid in distribution was poor in playmaking. Too often he would shuttle play out to the wings quickly or attack into wide spaces on the dribble. This left Thomas Müller as the sole arbiter of attack in midfield.

When Thiago came on for Arjen Robben, it breathed new life into the Bayern midfield. They found themselves creating wide with Tolisso and driving through the center with Thiago while Martinez anchored the defense. They roundly controlled the game from that point forward, but without any offensive punch wide, Bayern struggled mightily to get the ball in front of goal.

It’s time to pull the plug on Arjen Robben and Franck Ribery

This is definitely indelicate given the serious injury Franck Ribery picked up in today’s match, but it’s time to say their careers are over. Arjen Robben was a shell of a performer today, always behind the ball, two steps too slow to break Marvin Plattenhardt. He notched just a single shot and just a single touch inside the box all game and this has been par for the season. How much of Arjen Robben’s form under Pep Guardiola there remains to be resurrected is something we could wait and never see materialize.

Robben’s decline over the past year hasn’t been done any favors by the strife and training practices that developed under Carlo Ancelotti. A new coach needs to mean a clean break and making it clear that he will be a supporting star should be paramount for Bayern Munich. How Bayern do that when they sold Douglas Costa and just lost Franck Ribery is the next question.

Which brings us to the matter of the Frenchmen. Ribery was Bayern’s only bright spot in the offensive third today. The remaining question isn’t whether he still has something to offer Bayern, but whether Ribery will ever be able to play soccer again given the potential severity of the injury.

Where does Bayern Munich go from here?

A performance coming four days after a coaching change and coming on the heels of a gruesome 3-0 loss, typically doesn’t carry much connotations for the future of a club. In this case it does.

The strife between Carlo Ancelotti and the players largely centered around their older core. And that older core floundered today under Willy Sagnol. This was a statement match for the likes of Ribery and Robben that they could still hang. This was their referendum.

It failed.

What they brought was bad offense, the worst Arjen Robben performance I can ever remember, a gruesome knee injury to Franck Ribery, and a jekyll-and-hyde defense. Whenever Bayern Munich actually get around to announcing a new coach, it has to be in conjunction with a major shakeup of this team’s identity and a new phase of their story.

https://www.bavarianfootballworks.com/2017/10/1/16392402/recap-result-five-observations-bayern-munich-hertha-bsc-bundesliga

Mostly agree with it. Disagree a bit about the point about Thiago. Not so much about his importance to the team because he surely is important to us, but as far as his role today. "Control" would not be the first word coming to my mind when talking about the second half of the match. We lost any control we had after Duda's response to Lewy's goal. After that we looked totally disorganised across the board with little to no redeeming features after that point.

Not sure what to think about the coaching situation. Keep seeing unofficial confirmations on twitter that Tuchel is taking over. I'm of two minds if that's the case. There's no doubting he's a talented coach and could solve many of our problem, but could also be more like throwing water on a grease fire with team mentality and morale being what it is now. Let's see.

Edited October 1, 2017 by TrstnFCB

[Viva la FCB+]

I've followed BFW for a while now i quite like their post match write ups and comment discussions.

 

As I've said in the other thread i think Tuchel is perfect. Even before everything came out about the mess of players unhappy, the lack of training. You could see on the pitch the lack of organization and game plans and even effort in alot of matches. Tuchel would correct all of this, but as you mention he brings his ego with him much like Pep had. I have a hard time imagining  him in a room with KHR and Uli. Uli and KHR arent on the same page it seems alot of times, throw in another strong voice and things could hit the fan. I still think its worth the risk at this point he is the best candidate and as close to Pep tactically that we can get right now and i think thats what the players want as well.

 

Also Ribery was diagnosed with a external knee ligament tear out at least 2-3 months.

[TrstnFCB]

Yeah the minute they showed the replay I was pretty sure the best case scenario would be a pretty nasty meniscus tear. When I saw he couldn't even put any weight at all on it when he was being carried back figured it was probably worse. The times I've torn mine my leg felt like total rubber but could still manage a pathetic slow hobble...Ribéry couldn't even manage that. Feel really bad for him, but he really needs to know when to call it quits. It may be tough for him to admit, but at 34 with constant injuries its time to move on. Every time he recovers its only a matter of time before the next issue arises like clockwork.

[Philippe Coutinho]

Wow! A return to the glory days?? Welcome back!!

 

[Spike]

Just about to post that. Heynckes' team was fucking awesome to watch.

[TrstnFCB]

I can't even begin to express how unbelievably happy I am right now. This is fucking amazing!

[Viva la FCB+]

On 10/6/2017 at 8:45 AM, TrstnFCB said:

I can't even begin to express how unbelievably happy I am right now. This is fucking amazing!

I too quite like the move. You cant have a better place holder then Jupp to try and get things back on track, get the egos in check and players in line. All the old gurad who where reportedly acting out against Ancelotti have immense respect for Jupp. It was always going to be a tough ask to rein things back in with a place holder or interim coach if Nagelsmann was our true target and isnt possible until next season. Perfect solution.

[korab]

Ha, ha! Bayern will fix all it's problems with nomination of 72 yo coach who does not have his team ready. They will hire some ad hoc assembled specialists from other BL clubs? 3 years of Guardiola experiments destroyed the best squad they somehow put together in years. 1 year of spaghetti guy and very retarded recruiting and scouting policy for years under R&H will put Bayern to sleep for few years. That's good, BVB's opportunity (probably Mr. W will screw them up at the long run too but it's different story). BL is declining very fast but at least Low shows the world that Germany still producing very bright, young stars. Money, money will screw up BL because they have only savers, poor guys and no risk takers, and for sure those strategic decisions by  R&H won't produce anything, waiting for Nagelsmann to grow up and take over Bayern to make few miracles seems ridiculous unless they have 10 years plan to rebuild the club, like Soviets. Youth center for sure will produce some talents over the years but what is for now?   

[Spike]

How did Pep destroy anything? Lahm retired, Schweinsteoger was over the hill, Ribery and Robben got old, Muller has always been hot and cold, and others players like Mandzu and Dante were flattered by JH. The Only mistake ws selling Kroos.