Semi-Final - Argentina 3-0 Croatia - Tuesday 13th December, 2022

[Dr. Gonzo]

1 minute ago, Devil said:

Keeper wasn't fouled, Alaverez has every right to continue his run knowing he could be taken out.

Keeper knows full well he has to make contact with the ball with any point of his body or he risks body checking the player. 

It's a penalty every time for me, no idea why Neville was so over the top in the BBC coverage then. 

here Mane's leg was being grabbed while the ball's actually right in front of him and I was told numerous times it was "never a pen" ... so after that I am of the school of thought that: it doesn't matter if the keeper's literally raping the attacker and tearing the arsehole apart - not a penalty.

[Spike]

Just now, Stan said:

Press the mute button? 

This isn’t something can be muted, the unconditional arse licking of Messi isn’t a TV, it is a cultural phenomenon 

[Devil]

Just now, El Profesor said:

Yep. As much as I dislike Argentina, that is clear penalty for me. Livakovic intentionaly blocks Alvarez.

Intentional or not he didn't make contact with the ball.

Crazy how they can claim otherwise.

[Spike]

1 minute ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

here Mane's leg was being grabbed while the ball's actually right in front of him and I was told numerous times it was "never a pen" ... so after that I am of the school of thought that: it doesn't matter if the keeper's literally raping the attacker and tearing the arsehole apart - not a penalty.

Messi is a better player than Mane

[Azeem]

Dodgy pen definitely. 

[Azeem]

Just now, Spike said:

Messi is a better player than Mane

People being completely oblivious why that pen was dodgy is bcz why Messi Ronaldo are so polarising figures. 

[Spike]

I’d be more amiable to a penalty if Alvarez hadn’t already taken the shot. I hate it when penalties are given after the fact

[Dr. Gonzo]

Just now, Spike said:

Messi is a better player than Mane

This is factually accurate. But should that matter? Especially when Messi wasn't the one fouled for the pen in question, wasn't it Alvarez?

[6666]

4 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Idk I remember when Karl Darlow grabbed Mane... while the ball was right there and take him down in the box... and that wasn't given as a penalty. And so many people on here said it was "never a penalty" - so using that logic I fail to see how this would be a penalty. 

I'm not sure if the incident you're describing or this Karl Darlow fella actually exist.

[Spike]

Just now, Dr. Gonzo said:

This is factually accurate. But should that matter? Especially when Messi wasn't the one fouled for the pen in question, wasn't it Alvarez?

Alvarez plays for Messi.

[Stan]

1 minute ago, Spike said:

I’d be more amiable to a penalty if Alvarez hadn’t already taken the shot. I hate it when penalties are given after the fact

So it's okay for keepers to take out players just because the shot has already been taken and they miss the ball? 

[Stan]

@Spike has mentioned Messi more times than Tyler has no doubt

[Dr. Gonzo]

Just now, Stan said:

So it's okay for keepers to take out players just because the shot has already been taken and they miss the ball? 

 

6 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

it doesn't matter if the keeper's literally raping the attacker and tearing the arsehole apart - not a penalty.

 

[Spike]

Just now, Stan said:

So it's okay for keepers to take out players just because the shot has already been taken and they miss the ball? 

He didn’t take him out. It was a collision, you can see he was trying to move his right leg out of contact but Alvarez intentionally looked for it. Collisions happen all the time and aren’t called as fouls. The play had been made, there was a collision, not a penalty. If he hadn’t shot already, then yes, I’d say penalty.

[Spike]

2 minutes ago, Stan said:

@Spike has mentioned Messi more times than Tyler has no doubt

Only if you count ‘Qatari whore’

[Stan]

4 minutes ago, Spike said:

He didn’t take him out. It was a collision, you can see he was trying to move his right leg out of contact but Alvarez intentionally looked for it. Collisions happen all the time and aren’t called as fouls. The play had been made, there was a collision, not a penalty. If he hadn’t shot already, then yes, I’d say penalty.

Sorry but any time that kind of collision happens on the pitch, it'd be given as a foul. So it's no different in the box. 

The play has been made, you're correct. And in doing so Livakovic was late to it and impeded Alvarez. 

He's played the ball before Livakovic. Basically what you've just said is that it's a foul if it's not a shot, but not a foul because it is a shot. Sorry, but that's now how rules of football are used... 

[Devil]

Imagine trying to get back into a game and having to bring Vlasic on. 

He's awful.

[Dr. Gonzo]

1 minute ago, Stan said:

Sorry but any time that kind of collision happens on the pitch, it'd be given as a foul.

I don't think that's true, at least not consistently.

[Cicero]

MacAllister has done the Lo Celso role better than Lo Celso. 

[Stan]

Just now, Dr. Gonzo said:

I don't think that's true, at least not consistently.

The ref is shite if he's not giving that as a foul anywhere on the pitch

 

[Spike]

2 minutes ago, Stan said:

Sorry but any time that kind of collision happens on the pitch, it'd be given as a foul. So it's no different in the box. 

The play has been made, you're correct. And in doing so Livakovic was late to it and impeded Alvarez. 

He's played the ball before Livakovic. Basically what you've just said is that it's a foul if it's not a shot, but not a foul because it is a shot. Sorry, but that's now how rules of football are used... 

I don’t think collisions are given as fouls at all. After the shot for the second goal Alvarez knocked Livakovic over, is that not the same in reverse?

[Dr. Gonzo]

1 minute ago, Stan said:

The ref is shite if he's not giving that as a foul anywhere on the pitch

 

I've seen fouls like that not given outside the box in this tournament tbh.

The ref is probably shit just because he's a ref and 9/10 refs are shit.

[Stan]

1 minute ago, Spike said:

I don’t think collisions are given as fouls at all. After the shot for the second goal Alvarez knocked Livakovic over, is that not the same in reverse?

Did he? 

[Dr. Gonzo]

4 minutes ago, Devil said:

Imagine trying to get back into a game and having to bring Vlasic on. 

He's awful.

I think Croatia are fucked tbh. They're good everywhere on the pitch except the final third and now they've got to score at least 2 goals.

I just can't see it happening. Especially not if Lovren's going to be having one of those games where he just makes silly errors like playing the entire stadium onside right before that penalty.

[Spike]

Just now, Stan said:

Did he? 

Yeah, Alvarez kind of runs into him and knocks him down, the goal was inevitable but still under the rules it would be seen as impeding the goalkeeper, right?