Administrator Stan 18,386 Posted October 28, 2023 Author Administrator Share Posted October 28, 2023 Confirmed 10 month ban for Tonali Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeKhrush 296 Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 Tonali didn't bet on games he was involved in, there can be no match fixing if you can't affect the outcome. There were 12 instances opposed to toneys 250+ bets. the main reason for his ban is the use of a betting site which is illegal which included black jack and poker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6666 1,310 Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 Sucks for Newcastle. Harsh ban in my opinion, there should be a direct link to match fixing if it's a lengthy ban like this in my opinion. Still stupid from Tonali though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo 8,189 Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 22 hours ago, 6666 said: Sucks for Newcastle. Harsh ban in my opinion, there should be a direct link to match fixing if it's a lengthy ban like this in my opinion. Still stupid from Tonali though. He bet on his own matches, that’s about as direct of a link to match fixing without him admitting any intent, which he’d never do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6666 1,310 Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 3 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said: He bet on his own matches, that’s about as direct of a link to match fixing without him admitting any intent, which he’d never do. I was going off of @OrangeKhrush saying he didn't bet on any matches that he was involved... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo 8,189 Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 22 hours ago, 6666 said: I was going off of @OrangeKhrush saying he didn't bet on any matches that he was involved... Yeah, I think he's just made that up to feign outrage at this tbh. He's admitted he bet on Milan matches he played in, as well as other matches. He says it didn't impact how he played and claimed he's got a massive gambling addiction. I'm not saying he's lying, because doing something stupid like betting on matches you can impact is absolutely something I could see a player with a compulsive gambling addiction doing without even thinking about. But there's no way to ever prove whether or not it did impact his performances - but banning a player for betting on their own matches is absolutely reasonable. Zaniolo, on the other hand, has maintained he's not bet on football at all and that his online gambling was all on poker, blackjack, and shit like that. And if he's telling the truth, which I think the Italian authorities believe he is, I don't think any ban should be required for that. Because what the fuck does football have to do with poker or some shit like that? Fuck all and if he wants to gamble online playing games like that, I don't see why he shouldn't be allowed to do that. It's not going to impact any matches. Generally speaking, footballers should just avoid gambling on anything football related. They've got friends on other teams, they've got friends in other leagues - it just creates too much of the appearance of match fixing being likely to allow tbh, even if match fixing hasn't occurred. But gambling on your own club is absolutely something that justifies lengthy bans imo. A player would have too much influence to negatively impact the integrity of the sport for their financial gain - it's basically the most common sense decision to have a blanket ban on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reluctant Striker 134 Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 Yes, from what I've been reading, Zaniolo seems to have everyone convinced in Italy, England & wherever else, that he was only betting on not-football things. But Tonali was betting on football. And I guess we all now know, in a situation like this, FIFA can globalise any agreed punishment ban. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6666 1,310 Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 3 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said: Yeah, I think he's just made that up to feign outrage at this tbh. He's admitted he bet on Milan matches he played in, as well as other matches. He says it didn't impact how he played and claimed he's got a massive gambling addiction. The only reason to bet on your own games is that you want to feel in some sort of control over the outcome of the bet. Maybe his gambling addiction drove him that far but I don't buy it not affecting his performance. Hopefully during his time out of football, he can develop a healthier relationship with gambling or just stop altogether. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo 8,189 Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 4 minutes ago, 6666 said: The only reason to bet on your own games is that you want to feel in some sort of control over the outcome of the bet. Maybe his gambling addiction drove him that far but I don't buy it not affecting his performance. Hopefully during his time out of football, he can develop a healthier relationship with gambling or just stop altogether. I totally agree with this. If you bet on your games, even if you say it's not affecting your performance, it's always going to be in the back of your mind that you have at least some control over what happens. And that's not accounting for the fact a high profile player, which he was, probably has a great deal of influence over his teammates as well. There's just too many possible angles for gambling on a match you're playing in to lead to what can look like match fixing. I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with gambling. Obviously if you end up with an addiction... it can lead to quite shitty paths because that's what addiction does. And if he wasn't a professional footballer, I think he'd be in quite a lot more problems with his gambling than he's currently facing with the ban - apparently he's got quite a bit of gambling debt. He's fortunate he's got the Saudi funding paying his wages, if he overcomes addiction he'll still be really well off financially and in a better place. Surely a better place to be in as a gambling addict than up to your eyeballs in debt with no way out. Personally, I don't think there's any good reasons for footballers to gamble on football. They've got too many connections in the sport to rule out even just the appearance of something corrupt by betting on football. If they want to gamble still, there's other shit to gamble on... bet on rugby or some shite like that, or take a page from Zaniolo's book and gamble on poker. Honestly, I think gambling on poker and blackjack is infinitely more fun... But in Tonali's situation, if we take him at face value on his gambling addiction - it seems like he's got quite a serious problem with gambling, one where in another life he'd not be getting the same second chance he gets now. He's still very young, he's still going to make good money. He doesn't have to let this ruin him financially or otherwise. I imagine for someone with a problem as bad as he's alleged, stopping gambling all together is the best thing for him. I hope he gets the help that gambling rehab is meant to provide him and he comes out of this having learned a very important lesson - for his own sake. Not many people are fortunate enough to have a bad addiction but also have the means and opportunity to beat it and come back from it stronger. He does - so hopefully he makes the most of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeKhrush 296 Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 from Goal.com Firstly, Tonali bet on games involving his own teams (Brescia and Milan) - but, thankfully, never to lose, which meant there was no element of alleged match-fixing. for match fixing to be prevalent there has to be a detriment to the team, betting on yourself to win is not rigging a result. There were also only 12 or so bets. Ivan Toney was found to have bet against his own team in over 50 instances and things like fluffing a sitter , missing a spot kick. fagioli in contrast be on negative outcomes where his own performance can be so low it caused Juventus to drop points, he was also betting on himself being so bad he would be substituted by half time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan 18,386 Posted November 1, 2023 Author Administrator Share Posted November 1, 2023 45 minutes ago, OrangeKhrush said: Firstly, Tonali bet on games involving his own teams (Brescia and Milan) - but, thankfully, never to lose, which meant there was no element of alleged match-fixing. for match fixing to be prevalent there has to be a detriment to the team, betting on yourself to win is not rigging a result But betting on your own team, regardless, is a bannable offence, no? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeKhrush 296 Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 25 minutes ago, Stan said: But betting on your own team, regardless, is a bannable offence, no? I would say it's safer to make it bankable so as to remove the element altogether, however the extent of the ban needs to be taken relative to the facts of each case. A person who did not bet on negative results or outcomes in a game should not be banned longer than a person who has nearly 300 counts and over 50 counts of detrimental impact on outcomes. I would think an 18-36 month suspended sentence, 200k fine and rehabilitation, community service etc would have been more fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honey Honey 3,767 Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 It is a blow to us over the course of the season. If fully fit midfield we should be good enough for top 6 without him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeKhrush 296 Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 5 hours ago, Honey Honey said: It is a blow to us over the course of the season. If fully fit midfield we should be good enough for top 6 without him. strong links to kalvin Phillips in January Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan 18,386 Posted March 28 Author Administrator Share Posted March 28 Now charged by FA. Placed bets in Aug-Oct 2023, whilst serving the 10-month ban by Italian FA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Palace Fan 3,402 Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeKhrush 296 Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 He settled in well, he knew exactly where the bookies were. As far as first impressions go, this is scorched earth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo 8,189 Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 2 hours ago, Stan said: Now charged by FA. Placed bets in Aug-Oct 2023, whilst serving the 10-month ban by Italian FA. Lol what an absolute moron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6666 1,310 Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 On one hand he's an idiot. How difficult can it be to avoid betting on football? On the other hand, it's proof he has a massive addiction problem and needs help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeKhrush 296 Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 If he bet against us, it will be hard for him to come back, many of the fanbase have already written him off, some of us are prepared to give him a second chance, but it is on Shakey ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo 8,189 Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 I think he’s got to worry more about what the manager thinks about it than the fans. The fans might get pissed off now but fans are fickle and if he’s playing we he’ll be easily forgiven. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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