Dave Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 This is a great sign. Defensively minded teams often win tournaments and we have the quality upfront to create a moment of magic to beat anybody. This, along with us avoiding the best five teams to the final, just strengthens my belief it's coming home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Michael Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 6 minutes ago, Tommy said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiley Culture Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 Does xG consider who is behind those chances? I've often wondered this. Are those numbers what they are because they've been balls played in by a bloke who plays for Olimpija Ljubljana to a bloke who plays for Panathanaikos rather than, say, someone from Barcelona playing in someone who plays for Real Madrid, as you'd fancy Mbappe to have a better chance of scoring a goal from a particular position compared to some Slovenian fella. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redcanuck Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 I think you have to look at who England played. Serbia and Slovenia offered little attacking threat and Denmark were not much better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 2 hours ago, Smiley Culture said: Does xG consider who is behind those chances? I've often wondered this. Are those numbers what they are because they've been balls played in by a bloke who plays for Olimpija Ljubljana to a bloke who plays for Panathanaikos rather than, say, someone from Barcelona playing in someone who plays for Real Madrid, as you'd fancy Mbappe to have a better chance of scoring a goal from a particular position compared to some Slovenian fella. They have Sesko up-front for them mate, whom half of the top European clubs are after. He is a top class player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rucksackfranzose Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 So let's see Germany had 2.03 conceded xG's and and conceded 2, which is less than expected- while England had 0.98 conceded xG and conceded 1, which is more than expected, doesn'rt sound like their defense were that well, ssince they conceded more than they were expected to, so they were underwhelming. Change my mind! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 9 minutes ago, Redcanuck said: I think you have to look at who England played. Serbia and Slovenia offered little attacking threat and Denmark were not much better. You could say that England's good defending had a hand in that. In any-case, we will see the cream rise to the top in the knock-out stages. We will be able to tell more during that stage. At the group stage, it's been Spain and Germany who have been the stand-out teams for me, then maybe Portugal(although they did have a relatively easy group). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan Posted June 26 Administrator Share Posted June 26 52 minutes ago, Rucksackfranzose said: So let's see Germany had 2.03 conceded xG's and and conceded 2, which is less than expected- while England had 0.98 conceded xG and conceded 1, which is more than expected, doesn'rt sound like their defense were that well, ssince they conceded more than they were expected to, so they were underwhelming. Change my mind! That's one way of interpreting it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiley Culture Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 55 minutes ago, Michael said: They have Sesko up-front for them mate, whom half of the top European clubs are after. He is a top class player. Yeah, that’s great and all but my question remains, does xG take into account the other side of things and who is taking the shot at goal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber Mel81x+ Posted June 26 Subscriber Share Posted June 26 Just now, Smiley Culture said: Yeah, that’s great and all but my question remains, does xG take into account the other side of things and who is taking the shot at goal? Highly doubt it because it's just what happens in an instance or over a period and so those numbers can be flattering as a statistic, but they definitely don't take into account a lot more than just the outcome of the chance vs everything that leads up to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 1 minute ago, Smiley Culture said: Yeah, that’s great and all but my question remains, does xG take into account the other side of things and who is taking the shot at goal? I have no idea mate, sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rucksackfranzose Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 18 minutes ago, Stan said: That's one way of interpreting it Mathematically absolutely correct, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan Posted June 26 Administrator Share Posted June 26 30 minutes ago, Rucksackfranzose said: Mathematically absolutely correct, though. The other way of looking at it is you've conceded more goals than England. And one of those being against Scotland. So who does have the better defence...? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeKhrush Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 1 hour ago, Rucksackfranzose said: So let's see Germany had 2.03 conceded xG's and and conceded 2, which is less than expected- while England had 0.98 conceded xG and conceded 1, which is more than expected, doesn'rt sound like their defense were that well, ssince they conceded more than they were expected to, so they were underwhelming. Change my mind! Oddly enough this is correct, but right now I think they are trying to find anything positive to spin to cover up what is abject mediocrity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rucksackfranzose Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 12 minutes ago, Stan said: The other way of looking at it is you've conceded more goals than England. And one of those being against Scotland. So who does have the better defence...? Wasn't me, who dragged about their defense being amazeballs, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan Posted June 26 Administrator Share Posted June 26 1 minute ago, Rucksackfranzose said: Wasn't me, who dragged about their defense being amazeballs, though. But you felt the need to argue a point anyway... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rucksackfranzose Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Stan said: But you felt the need to argue a point anyway... Claiming to to follow an outstanding team, in whatever respect, after performing like England did in all of their group matches, will cause my contradiction, anyway. Regardless whoever is going to do it, since it's either deluded or disrespectful. You're absolutely correct. Edited June 26 by Rucksackfranzose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6666 Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 Keeping the ball and doing nothing with it has its benefits I guess. Gonna smother football out of the tournament and take the trophy home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 27 Author Share Posted June 27 15 hours ago, Stan said: The other way of looking at it is you've conceded more goals than England. And one of those being against Scotland. So who does have the better defence...? Amazing they didn't voluntarily resign from the tournament after that. Embarrassing and pathetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 27 Author Share Posted June 27 16 hours ago, Smiley Culture said: Yeah, that’s great and all but my question remains, does xG take into account the other side of things and who is taking the shot at goal? It's just based on quality of chance creation. So every penalty will be something like 0.8 and you get players like Messi and Vardy who did regularly outscore there xG season upon season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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