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Premier League 2024/25 - Gameweek 5 - 21-22nd September, 2024


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all kick-offs 15.00 (BST) unless stated

Saturday 21st September, 2024
West Ham vs Chelsea, 12.30 (live on TNT)

Aston Villa vs Wolves
Fulham vs Newcastle
Leicester vs Everton
Liverpool vs Bournemouth
Southampton vs Ipswich
Tottenham vs Brentford

Crystal Palace vs Man Utd, 17.30 (live on Sky)

Sunday 22nd September, 2024
Brighton vs Nottm Forest, 14.00 (live on Sky)

Man City vs Arsenal, 16.30 (live on Sky)

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On goalkeeper Alisson's fitness: "Alisson is a doubt to see if he can train today and if he can’t, then he will probably not play as well. He has a slight issue with one of his muscles - we wonder if this game tomorrow is coming too early." 

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We've been worse than the weather. 

Horrific performance. Nothing going for us against a drab Everton side. When you want to perhaps kick-start your season against favourable opposition (compared to most of the teams played so far), you want to have a fast start, attack well, look composed. 

First few moments we had players mis-hitting passes into our own players, no organisation going forward and looking totally lost. Barely a shot on goal (if any at all) and not inspiring in any way, shape or form. 

Cooper is to blame. He sets up so negatively. Sets up not to lose as opposed going for wins. Rubbish all round and he needs to do one. 

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ESR & Reiss Nelson with goals for Fulham. Iwobi a big part of Fulham's team as well. Great to see them doing well.

More teams should really take advantage of Arteta not utilising our academy products.

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Another draw for us. A game we should be winning. Our performance was dire overall. 

Questionable subs from Cooper again. Not good enough from him. 

Have to be getting 3pts against teams that are likely to finish around us. Poor. 

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Another frustrating result. We had several chances to score and only took one of them. Leicester then score a goalmouth scramble after Pickford had barely had to make a save for the entire game. Ended up lucky not to lose because we predictably went to pieces after conceding and were all over the place. 

I don't know about Dyche's substitutions again. Lindstrom is yet to find his end product but he's a threat and taking him off for Harrison who was the worst player on the pitch for the last half hour hurt us. Then taking Ndiaye off for the last ten minutes pretty much removed any attempts to counter attack from being possible.

At least we have a real, genuine point on the board. Same as last season with 1 point in 5 games. Patterson, Coleman, Branthwaite, Mykolenko, Gueye missing today. Hopefully we don't spend all fucking season having to play James Garner at full back and asking Young to put in 90 minute shifts.

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2 minutes ago, Stan said:

Another draw for us. A game we should be winning. Our performance was dire overall. 

Questionable subs from Cooper again. Not good enough from him. 

Have to be getting 3pts against teams that are likely to finish around us. Poor. 

Yeah I thought at the time and I think it now. Cooper was a really poor appointment for Leicester. It seemed like it wouldn't matter that much because everyone thought you were getting a points deduction that would kill you either way but now it seems like you should have maybe looked harder than just whatever dross on the Premier League scrapheap of recently sacked managers was knocking about.

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Still nothing but positives to take from Unai's Villa team.

On a highly critical viewpoint, it is an unavoidable fact that there has not been 1 clean sheet as yet, in the Premier League. But, the flip side to that is how doubtful it would have been, under previous managers, that Villa would have picked up the 4 wins from 5 they have. The fine margins between looking every bit a part of a strong top 6 & being much more nervous, much lower down.

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57 minutes ago, RandoEFC said:

Yeah I thought at the time and I think it now. Cooper was a really poor appointment for Leicester. It seemed like it wouldn't matter that much because everyone thought you were getting a points deduction that would kill you either way but now it seems like you should have maybe looked harder than just whatever dross on the Premier League scrapheap of recently sacked managers was knocking about.

If the owners want to regain any faith from the fans that they know what they're doing and persuade fans they've got the club going in the right direction, they need to give Cooper his P45. He's shown nothing to me, barring a few spells in some of our games, that he's good enough to keep us up. 

Expectations were low but it's still bit disappointing. 

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It normally doesn't end well when clubs get managers which the fans didn't want. I've heard ex players say it creates an atmosphere around the stadium which doesn't help. Leicester getting Cooper probably wasn't a good idea. At the same time if the fans aren't gonna support the manager and it has a slight negative impact on the results that's partly their fault 

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20 minutes ago, Gunnersaurus said:

It normally doesn't end well when clubs get managers which the fans didn't want. I've heard ex players say it creates an atmosphere around the stadium which doesn't help. Leicester getting Cooper probably wasn't a good idea. At the same time if the fans aren't gonna support the manager and it has a slight negative impact on the results that's partly their fault 

What do you mean 'partly their fault'? 

What if it's not the fans having the impact on the result, rather the inadequacies and incompetence of the manager? 

 

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I think the biggest gamble with Cooper for Leicester, disregarding any Leicester - Forest fan issue, which I seem to remember Martin O'Neill being unaffected by, it's Cooper's lack of proven experience. Yes, he got Forest promoted, after however many years. And given the circumstances he was perhaps unlucky to be got rid of by Forest.

Dean Smith arguably had a similar CV when he left Villa.

Going the Brighton or Bouremouth direction would be very bold. I would put money on David Moyes being a lead candidate for whichever club pulls the trigger first this season. Except Man United. For the experience. And that with the exception of Man United, most neutrals think he did very, very well wherever else he has been.

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I do think Leicester have a bottom three squad either way unfortunately. They're unlucky to have lost their manager since promotion because it fucks up any sort of project you had going.

Cooper was still a poor appointment though. You probably still go down and then you end up having another reset. Could have at least got a long term manager in, accepted that relegation is likely but go into the Championship with a team that's had 12 months playing a certain system.

Best case scenario with a manger like Cooper is that a bit of Premier League "know how" might scrape you one survival but there's no long term progress so you end up in another relegation scrap the next season and end up pulling the plug on him anyway and restarting from square one.

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5 hours ago, Gunnersaurus said:

It normally doesn't end well when clubs get managers which the fans didn't want. I've heard ex players say it creates an atmosphere around the stadium which doesn't help. Leicester getting Cooper probably wasn't a good idea. At the same time if the fans aren't gonna support the manager and it has a slight negative impact on the results that's partly their fault 

At the end of the day it's just a very bad appointment and I don't think the fans can be blamed for being quite perplexed by it. It's one extreme to another to go from Maresca to Cooper, frankly proof that they're completely winging it. The Forest connections are obviously unhelpful but they'll quickly become forgotten if he proves he's actually good enough. His Forest team were largely rank garbage, relegation level underlying performances bailed out by a few fortunate wins and that's the honest truth. When you look at them now, 8 points from 4 games, a win at Anfield, very solid at the back.

He's just an extremely limited manager. There's no hard feelings for me - I just think with any footballing nous at the club we'd have identified these blatant limitations, particularly combined with his past and run a mile. But this is what we are nowadays. I fully expect our board to fall into the usual traps, fall for games like today where we've finished fairly well yet overlook the fact we've dropped points to an absolutely rank Everton side missing most of their defence. Garner and Young as their full backs and he doesn't play two proper wingers. He's a limited, cowardly manager. He isn't good enough and the longer he's here the stronger our chance of going down is.

We've been given a massive boost with fluking the points deduction avoidance. Now lets get serious in the dugout too. No wins in 20 Premier League games. He's just bad.

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10 hours ago, Stan said:

We've been worse than the weather. 

Horrific performance. Nothing going for us against a drab Everton side. When you want to perhaps kick-start your season against favourable opposition (compared to most of the teams played so far), you want to have a fast start, attack well, look composed. 

First few moments we had players mis-hitting passes into our own players, no organisation going forward and looking totally lost. Barely a shot on goal (if any at all) and not inspiring in any way, shape or form. 

Cooper is to blame. He sets up so negatively. Sets up not to lose as opposed going for wins. Rubbish all round and he needs to do one. 

I don't want to dig Ayew out but the fact he's made him a key player already is crazy. If you can't play Mavididi and Fatawu against Garner and Young when on earth can you? I think that alone would've probably won us the game. A massive weakness in their side, with the tools to exploit it and we just didn't because he needs Ayew in the side.

The fact we're 15th is probably the only thing keeping him in a job and we're 15th by virtual default because there's 6 pissing teams without a win even now, remarkably. They all keep drawing with each other and losing to everyone else while our style means we'll rarely get hammered. 3 points from that 5 games is unacceptable. If people are pointing to being 15th now then I'd love to know the last time a team finished that high up by getting around 22 points.

Virtually every facet of Cooper's management is hopeless. Players body language other than a decent fightback against Spurs has been pretty awful. We're disjointed, players out of position, I think he's quite divisive as well with the way he's treated the likes of Ricardo who's omission just gets more and more baffling by the week in the wake of Justin's dodgy form (ANOTHER goal from his side).

Said last week I think Cooper doesn't win 6 games at Leicester. I'm actually not convinced he even wins 3. This bloke's an interim. Get real Leicester for god sake.

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Haaland opens the scoring but that is far too easy against this level of Arsenal defence. 

Savinho was superb. 

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