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Would You Rather Win Domestic League/Cups or Champions League?

League and Domestic success or winning the Champions League?  

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  1. 1. What for you signifies the greatest satisfaction as a club fan... League and domestic success or Champions League glory?

    • National League and national cups
    • UEFA Champions League


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Many will have had this debate before whether it be on a forum (online anywhere) or in a pub between friends. This is a debate that crosses frontiers and isn't exclusive to any European state (have to be careful wirh the "state" word these days in the uK) and is something of a controversial topic it seems.

So wherever you're from in Europe or even those that observe or are fans of the European game in other continents... What's your standpoint on this and why?

What's more important, what shows dominance and regularity during a football year... What is for you nthe ultimate satisfaction for a football season... Domestic success or the maximum victory in Europe's premier competition?

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I'm desperate to see Liverpool win the league so I'd probably go with that. European success is huge though. The Champions League throws up so many great nights on the way to a final. 

Obviously I can't compare the winning feeling between the two until Liverpool win the league again. Most older Liverpool fans I know (my dad, his mates etc) who have seen both would say the European Cup though

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The Premier League is the biggest bit of silverware in football, the fact the 2nd & 4th placed English teams are contesting the CL final tell you all you need to know

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It's the Champions League. The opposition is better, the games are bigger, the prize is more exclusive. Everyone's won their domestic league and/or cup at one point or another, but only a select few have been to Europe and brought home the big one. Those are the elite clubs of Europe no matter how many domestic prizes the rest have won.

Subjectively, I can understand other Liverpool fans favouring our domestic league because it's been so long, but for me it'll always be the Champions League.

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Won the league already so would settle for a CL win next I guess.

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55 minutes ago, Michael Simeonovitch said:

Champs League

Where's the "why" part?

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36 minutes ago, Burning Gold said:

It's the Champions League. The opposition is better, the games are bigger, the prize is more exclusive. Everyone's won their domestic league and/or cup at one point or another, but only a select few have been to Europe and brought home the big one. Those are the elite clubs of Europe no matter how many domestic prizes the rest have won.

Subjectively, I can understand other Liverpool fans favouring our domestic league because it's been so long, but for me it'll always be the Champions League.

So if Liverpool hypothetically win the Chanpions League, for you that would he a more successful season than Man City's?

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Obviously there's a Liverpool league drought to be broken that right now would lead me to be more set on that but putting that one off aside it's a question where the answer is so obvious it doesn't need to be asked. 

It's obviously the Champions league.

Which tournament really lands you in the history books? Which ones twenty years later get spoken about outside of one country? It's obviously the Champions league. However the real goal should be to win both. Don't be a forth placed team that wins the CL. Win your league and the CL and do it a few times in a decade and you are immortalised for all time as one of the great sides. Without the CL there will forever be an asterisk.

If City or PSG fall from grace next year I guarantee most neutral football fans wouldn't even remember there was a time when they were good ..

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Just now, Michael Simeonovitch said:

Don't be a petulant child and read more than just a headline, if you have the capability. ;)

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The league. I’d go out of every major cup competition if you were to guarantee me the league 

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For countries like England where there are probably six teams that can potentially win the title before the season starts the people will obviously give the league title the importance it deserves.

But for one or two horse leagues like Spain, Germany etc teams like Barca, Real and Bayern are sure to win the league title at least once or twice in lets say a decade so Champions League becomes the barometer of their success.

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Cannabis said:

The league, unless you support Liverpool in which case you pretend it's the Champions League after bottling domestically.

As if you're getting involved in a thread like this

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5 minutes ago, Azeem said:

For countries like England where there are probably six teams that can potentially win the title before the season starts the people will obviously give the league title the importance it deserves.

But for one or two horse leagues like Spain, Germany etc teams like Barca, Real and Bayern are sure to win the league title at least once or twice in lets say a decade so Champions League becomes the barometer of their success.

 

 

 

What if in a two horse race you don't finish second to the other supposed horse and anything between 17 to 20 points behind the prime horse?

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1 minute ago, SirBalon said:

What if in a two horse race you don't finish second to the other supposed horse and anything between 17 to 20 points behind the prime horse?

Again you proved my point its not really about the league title its just about finishing ahead of the other horse, if both Barca and Real end up trophy less but one finishes ahead of the other than their fans will be more than happy 

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Much like how if England doesn't win anything but beating Scotland gives them satisfication for say. Isn't really the right attitude for success 

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24 minutes ago, SirBalon said:

Don't be a petulant child and read more than just a headline, if you have the capability. ;)

 

Dont be a lazy bum and choose your titles more appropriately, especially if you are then going to ask people to justify them.

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1 minute ago, Cannabis said:

As if you continue to nibble :whistling:

As if your only contributions to the forum are still shite posts looking for 'bites'.

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53 minutes ago, SirBalon said:

So if Liverpool hypothetically win the Chanpions League, for you that would he a more successful season than Man City's?

Yes, and I don't think there could be much debate about it. We finished one point behind City in the league and we'd have the biggest prize in club football. Even if you value the league over the Champions League, I don't see how you could argue we hadn't had the better season in this hypothetical given how close we were in one and how much better we did in the other.

The more interesting question for me is what if Tottenham win it? There's no comparison in the league, but it'd be Tottenham going in the history books as champions of Europe, the envy of the continent. Which is more valuable? Let's hope we never have to have that discussion.

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1 hour ago, Burning Gold said:

It's the Champions League. The opposition is better, .

As you know, the Premier League is harder to win :coffee:   ..with a cup you can get lucky draws, the best team does not always make the final

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2 hours ago, Burning Gold said:

Everyone's won their domestic league

When did Liverpool or Spurs win the Premier League?? :tumbleweed:

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21 minutes ago, Michael Simeonovitch said:

 

Dont be a lazy bum and choose your titles more appropriately, especially if you are then going to ask people to justify them.

Read the content silly billy, as I can't cater for stupid people all in one title.

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28 minutes ago, Azeem said:

Again you proved my point its not really about the league title its just about finishing ahead of the other horse, if both Barca and Real end up trophy less but one finishes ahead of the other than their fans will be more than happy 

That doesn't answer the question.

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11 minutes ago, Burning Gold said:

Yes, and I don't think there could be much debate about it. We finished one point behind City in the league and we'd have the biggest prize in club football. Even if you value the league over the Champions League, I don't see how you could argue we hadn't had the better season in this hypothetical given how close we were in one and how much better we did in the other.

The more interesting question for me is what if Tottenham win it? There's no comparison in the league, but it'd be Tottenham going in the history books as champions of Europe, the envy of the continent. Which is more valuable? Let's hope we never have to have that discussion.

Totally agree with the first part although I'm not sure if you're comparing Spurs winning it with the, subsequently having a better season.

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7 minutes ago, Happy Blue said:

When did Liverpool or Spurs win the Premier League?? :tumbleweed:

I think it would be quite a unique achievement of Spurs mamaged to get a Champions League tontheir name and enter the hall of fame of that tournament wirh only two league titles to their name in black and white. Would it be unprecedented?

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2 minutes ago, SirBalon said:

I think it would be quite a unique achievement of Spurs mamaged to get a Champions League tontheir name and enter the hall of fame of that tournament wirh only two league titles to their name in black and white. Would it be unprecedented?

It would be massive for any club to win it, it's the best cup to win for sure  ..the English & Spanish league titles is a bigger achievement though

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1 hour ago, Burning Gold said:

Yes, and I don't think there could be much debate about it. We finished one point behind City in the league and we'd have the biggest prize in club football. Even if you value the league over the Champions League, I don't see how you could argue we hadn't had the better season in this hypothetical given how close we were in one and how much better we did in the other.

The more interesting question for me is what if Tottenham win it? There's no comparison in the league, but it'd be Tottenham going in the history books as champions of Europe, the envy of the continent. Which is more valuable? Let's hope we never have to have that discussion.

That discussion was had when we won it in 2005 and came 5th place. And it came the year before that when the final was Porto & Monaco too, tbh.

But to answer the question, for me the league. To be honest, and it kind of is a shame what modern football has done, but I don't really give a fuck about the domestic cups unless we aren't in Europe. I'd probably care more if we'd done better in those cups in recent years and we'd put ourselves in a position to progress to the later stages... But if we've got a European campaign, those competitions just become the lowest priority to me.

The CL is the most prestigious cup competition in football IMO. Fuck the world cup, the CL is always better. But I'd much rather see us win the league because the last time that happened I was 1 and I don't know a fucking thing about that because people don't remember things when they were 1. But for us in particular, the league is obviously the holy grail.

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7 hours ago, Burning Gold said:

Yes, and I don't think there could be much debate about it. We finished one point behind City in the league and we'd have the biggest prize in club football. Even if you value the league over the Champions League, I don't see how you could argue we hadn't had the better season in this hypothetical given how close we were in one and how much better we did in the other.

The more interesting question for me is what if Tottenham win it? There's no comparison in the league, but it'd be Tottenham going in the history books as champions of Europe, the envy of the continent. Which is more valuable? Let's hope we never have to have that discussion.

I think City and Liverpool both still had the better season. Which makes Spurs winning a potentially not great outcome for the CL brand as if it was won every year by the 4th place team it would start to make the take as but of a shine off the eliteness of the trophy.

 

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5 hours ago, Harry said:

I think City and Liverpool both still had the better season. Which makes Spurs winning a potentially not great outcome for the CL brand as if it was won every year by the 4th place team it would start to make the take as but of a shine off the eliteness of the trophy.

 

But you voted for the Champions League as being the utmost important trophy to win in signifying the most succesful season.

Now you've proved that isn't the case?

 

If Spurs were to win the Chanpions League next weekend which is something that wouldn't be all that unusual in a lne off game, especially a cup game. Would that suddenly demote Liverpool's season because they've won absolutely nothing? That's a really interesting question to be honest.

But the real question... Finishing 4th, being slightly better than mediocrity in the league, and winning a cup competition is better than what City have done?

If this is the case, then football has changed a lot as that wasn't the sentiment years back. Not saying it's wrong, just waiting for someone to really legitimise it with a proper argument and not just how great the Europea Cup is as a cup competition.

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