Honey Honey 3,767 Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 8 hours ago, Happy Blue said: Alt right? i don't follow any politics. well, now you know someone who isn't afraid of the vaccine .. i don't have the jab simply because i don't believe (for me) it's needed with a 99.99% survival rate for my age group and the vaccine doesn't stop the spread otherwise id reconsider plus i've already got over covid so have natural immunity which the latest research shows is 15 times better than the current jabs ..this things never going away, it's a new flu virus so life should go on as normal, the vulnerable get the jabs and 99% of us have nothing to worry about, if they make a vaccine that stops the spread i would probably get it Makes no sense to bottle it on flimsy points like that. Just do the socially responsible thing and get it done if you're not scared of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Blue 1,901 Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 23 minutes ago, LFCMike said: No one is saying it completely stops you from spreading it. I'll say it again, reduces the chance Don't believe the hype! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Blue 1,901 Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 1 hour ago, The Premier Steve's said: Makes no sense to bottle it on flimsy points like that. Just do the socially responsible thing and get it done if you're not scared of it. I'm better than vaccinated, i have natural immunity, why would i need the shots? i'm less likely to spread it because i've had the full blown covid 19, not a weaker vaccine, my body will destroy it if i get it again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan 18,393 Posted October 28, 2021 Administrator Share Posted October 28, 2021 16 minutes ago, Happy Blue said: Don't believe the hype! so there's no argument to what @LFCMike is saying? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Blue 1,901 Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, Stan said: so there's no argument to what @LFCMike is saying? I will do some more research when i get time, so far from what i've found there is no proof it even reduces the spread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Subscriber nudge+ 15,329 Posted October 28, 2021 Author Subscriber Share Posted October 28, 2021 23 minutes ago, Happy Blue said: So disappointed in you. I came into this thread hoping that you just posted the latest UK study regarding transmission reported by the BBC just a few hours ago; even got my popcorn ready and all... And yet it's just a strawberry flavour meme instead. Meh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Blue 1,901 Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 48 minutes ago, nudge said: So disappointed in you. I came into this thread hoping that you just posted the latest UK study regarding transmission reported by the BBC just a few hours ago; even got my popcorn ready and all... And yet it's just a strawberry flavour meme instead. Meh. I'm busy playing with my star wars toys at the moment ..I will have all the facts & figures later lol 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honey Honey 3,767 Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 22 hours ago, Happy Blue said: I'm better than vaccinated, i have natural immunity, why would i need the shots? i'm less likely to spread it because i've had the full blown covid 19, not a weaker vaccine, my body will destroy it if i get it again I can't be bothered to go back and get the posts as this thread is hundreds of pages long, but you most certainly early on were plugging the risks of the vaccine and the usual lines about it. Some who didn't know already wouldn't have found out about your son if it wasn't for your vaccine takes. Virologists debate all those points you make, that much is out there daily. Research is mixed. Under such circumstances, in a pandemic, if you're not a afraid just get it done. If it's nothing to get it done then why would you actively and deliberately go against what is being asked of you by those trying to manage a pandemic. The afraid make excuses and love conspiracy theories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Blue 1,901 Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 2 hours ago, The Premier Steve's said: I can't be bothered to go back and get the posts as this thread is hundreds of pages long, but you most certainly early on were plugging the risks of the vaccine and the usual lines about it. Some who didn't know already wouldn't have found out about your son if it wasn't for your vaccine takes. Virologists debate all those points you make, that much is out there daily. Research is mixed. Under such circumstances, in a pandemic, if you're not a afraid just get it done. If it's nothing to get it done then why would you actively and deliberately go against what is being asked of you by those trying to manage a pandemic. The afraid make excuses and love conspiracy theories. Not sure if serious ..why would i play Russian roulette with a vaccine i don't need? the virus had a 99.99% survival rate for my age group, so why risk it?, people have died after the vaccine, blood clots, swelling of the heart, bleeding on the brain etc etc. you could say that's rare cases but dying of covid is also rare. there is no benefit to me getting the shot, i'm already 15 times more likely to survive covid again than someone who has had the vaccine Do you know you are injecting dead babies into yourself? lovely We're using tissues that were from foetuses that were aborted 40, 50, 60 years ago," Dr Lott said. "It doesn't require newly aborted foetuses." While living human cells can only divide around 50 times, those foetal cells have been genetically modified so they can divide an infinite number of times. They found an increased risk of haemorrhagic stroke, a brain bleed, in the 28 days after vaccination with the BioNTech/Pfizer shot, The increased risk was significantly higher in female patients. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan 18,393 Posted October 29, 2021 Administrator Share Posted October 29, 2021 18 minutes ago, Happy Blue said: Not sure if serious ..why would i play Russian roulette with a vaccine i don't need? the virus had a 99.99% survival rate for my age group, so why risk it?, people have died after the vaccine, blood clots, swelling of the heart, bleeding on the brain etc etc. you could say that's rare cases but dying of covid is also rare. there is no benefit to me getting the shot, i'm already 15 times more likely to survive covid again than someone who has had the vaccine Nearly 5 million people have died from COVID worldwide. Within that, is 140,000 in the UK. Deaths from vaccines in the UK? Quote The Yellow Card reporting scheme has reported that between 9 December 2020 and 8 September 2021 there were 1,645 deaths where the person died shortly after receiving one of the coronavirus vaccines. This is the number of deaths reported as possibly linked to a vaccine, however they will not have been fully investigated at the time of reporting and a report is not proof of causation. So, the numbers are likely to be a big overestimate. The MHRA follow up all such reports and use other sources of evidence such as the numbers of individuals who would be expected to experience different events irrespective of vaccination. In contrast, the different statistical agencies have reported that to August 2021 (June 2021 in Northern Ireland) there were 4 deaths in England, 0 deaths in Wales, 4 deaths in Scotland and 1 in Northern Ireland. Of these, 4 in Scotland and 1 in Northern Ireland had the vaccine as the underlying cause of death. This meant that there were 9 deaths in the UK that involved the vaccine (meaning the vaccine contributed to the death), of which 5 had the vaccine as the underlying cause (meaning the vaccine initiated the chain of events directly leading to the death). For these deaths, there was evidence to suggest that the vaccine played a part in the chain of events that led to the death. https://blog.ons.gov.uk/2021/10/04/how-many-people-have-died-as-a-result-of-a-covid-19-vaccine/ Approx 45m people have been vaccinated in UK. And only 9 of those have died, with vaccine as a contribution to the death. So tell me again, which one is rarer? With the data above, chances are dying from the vaccine is significantly and dramatically lower than from COVID. As for that foetal stuff you conveniently quoted, they also said: Quote "Using HEK 293, we've used it for decades and we know that it's safe." With HEK293 being the reference they use for that initial test in 1973. Something they've used for decades, so it's trusted and reliable according to the same scientist you referred to. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Blue 1,901 Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Stan said: Nearly 5 million people have died from COVID worldwide. Within that, is 140,000 in the UK. Deaths from vaccines in the UK? https://blog.ons.gov.uk/2021/10/04/how-many-people-have-died-as-a-result-of-a-covid-19-vaccine/ Approx 45m people have been vaccinated in UK. And only 9 of those have died, with vaccine as a contribution to the death. So tell me again, which one is rarer? With the data above, chances are dying from the vaccine is significantly and dramatically lower than from COVID. As for that foetal stuff you conveniently quoted, they also said: With HEK293 being the reference they use for that initial test in 1973. Something they've used for decades, so it's trusted and reliable according to the same scientist you referred to. Your covid figures are not correct, they cant be. the survival rate is 99.98% on average, something is not right here is it? ..whats happened is people who have been dying of cancer and other illnesses have caught covid and it's finished them off they have then had covid marked as the cause of death to inflate the figures, they did it to my mum who died in march 2020 and she never even had covid, pneumonia was what the hospital said she had, death certificate says covid That is what i was saying is it's rare to die from the vaccine, but there still is that chance and with the foetal stuff i was just pointing out you are injecting dead babies in to yourself for a flu Edited October 29, 2021 by Happy Blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honey Honey 3,767 Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 22 minutes ago, Happy Blue said: Not sure if serious ..why would i play Russian roulette with a vaccine i don't need? the virus had a 99.99% survival rate for my age group, so why risk it?, people have died after the vaccine, blood clots, swelling of the heart, bleeding on the brain etc etc. you could say that's rare cases but dying of covid is also rare. there is no benefit to me getting the shot, i'm already 15 times more likely to survive covid again than someone who has had the vaccine Do you know you are injecting dead babies into yourself? lovely We're using tissues that were from foetuses that were aborted 40, 50, 60 years ago," Dr Lott said. "It doesn't require newly aborted foetuses." While living human cells can only divide around 50 times, those foetal cells have been genetically modified so they can divide an infinite number of times. They found an increased risk of haemorrhagic stroke, a brain bleed, in the 28 days after vaccination with the BioNTech/Pfizer shot, The increased risk was significantly higher in female patients. There you go. You are afraid. That's all I was getting at. The unjabbed are frightened. My point all along. Don't know why you bothered denying it. It is what it is. You are scared of it. Own your fear. Don't get this whole faux macho personna you see of unjabbed who walk around saying they're not afraid of covid, as if to purport an absence of fear in their persona. All whilst simultaneously being shit scared of the vaccine. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Blue 1,901 Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 3 minutes ago, The Premier Steve's said: There you go. You are afraid. That's all I was getting at. The unjabbed are frightened. My point all along. Don't know why you bothered denying it. It is what it is. You are scared of it. Own your fear. Don't get this whole faux macho personna you see of unjabbed who walk around saying they're not afraid of covid, as if to purport an absence of fear in their persona. All whilst simultaneously being shit scared of the vaccine. i'm not affraid of needles or covid, it's just not logical for me to get it, i'm already protected ...top btw, i think you are the most underrated fisherman on here, you come across as serious but are indeed taking the piss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honey Honey 3,767 Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 Not entirely taking the piss, but yeah partly. I know the unjabbed don't like to be tarred as frightened, it hurts the ego of men, it can feel humiliating. End of the day anything you recognise as a risk that you then don't take is the result of trepidation and fear. An overpowering feeling that said risk might happen so you won't take it. Some get jabbed because they don't recognise any risk. Some recognise risk but it doesn't overwhelm them. It isn't a crippling fear for them as it is for the unjabbed. A key part of the public policy strategy around the vaccine early doors was and is to combat both the misinformation that makes people frightened and the way in which people process said information. At this point, if you're not jabbed you're probably never going to be. So I don't care about debunking misinformation anymore. I'm happy to move to the next method of social control, call them out for what they are, frightened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Blue 1,901 Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 3 hours ago, The Premier Steve's said: Not entirely taking the piss, but yeah partly. I know the unjabbed don't like to be tarred as frightened, it hurts the ego of men, it can feel humiliating. End of the day anything you recognise as a risk that you then don't take is the result of trepidation and fear. An overpowering feeling that said risk might happen so you won't take it. Some get jabbed because they don't recognise any risk. Some recognise risk but it doesn't overwhelm them. It isn't a crippling fear for them as it is for the unjabbed. A key part of the public policy strategy around the vaccine early doors was and is to combat both the misinformation that makes people frightened and the way in which people process said information. At this point, if you're not jabbed you're probably never going to be. So I don't care about debunking misinformation anymore. I'm happy to move to the next method of social control, call them out for what they are, frightened. That makes no sense at all, by that logic you are afraid of covid so got jabbed just admit you are afraid ..it's just common sense, if you don't need something don't get it, you are more likely to get run over by a car, do you fear cars? more people die in the middle of sex, you better fear sex lol ...just be a man and stock up on lemsips and stop crying to your GP, you will be just fine like 99% of the population 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honey Honey 3,767 Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 2 hours ago, Happy Blue said: That makes no sense at all, by that logic you are afraid of covid so got jabbed just admit you are afraid ..it's just common sense, if you don't need something don't get it, you are more likely to get run over by a car, do you fear cars? more people die in the middle of sex, you better fear sex lol ...just be a man and stock up on lemsips and stop crying to your GP, you will be just fine like 99% of the population Like I've said more than once some people did get jabbed out of fear of covid. Lots of people in fact. So what if they did. That however wasn't the only motivator. For some the driving force was things like pro-social behaviour, even some just to go on holiday for example. Not everyone I know who got jabbed was afraid of covid. But everyone I know who didn't get jabbed is afraid of the jab. It's in your words and posts for the last year. You can try and deflect with these comfort blanket statements of "I don't need it" but every now and then the naked fear of oh no this jab is dangerous and suspicious comes dribbling out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Blue 1,901 Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 9 minutes ago, The Premier Steve's said: Like I've said more than once some people did get jabbed out of fear of covid. Lots of people in fact. So what if they did. That however wasn't the only motivator. For some the driving force was things like pro-social behaviour, even some just to go on holiday for example. Not everyone I know who got jabbed was afraid of covid. But everyone I know who didn't get jabbed is afraid of the jab. It's in your words and posts for the last year. You can try and deflect with these comfort blanket statements of "I don't need it" but every now and then the naked fear of oh no this jab is dangerous and suspicious comes dribbling out. You are free to believe what you like fella ..for now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rucksackfranzose 4,383 Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 9 hours ago, Happy Blue said: Not sure if serious ..why would i play Russian roulette with a vaccine i don't need? the virus had a 99.99% survival rate for my age group, so why risk it?, people have died after the vaccine, blood clots, swelling of the heart, bleeding on the brain etc etc. you could say that's rare cases but dying of covid is also rare. there is no benefit to me getting the shot, i'm already 15 times more likely to survive covid again than someone who has had the vaccine Do you know you are injecting dead babies into yourself? lovely We're using tissues that were from foetuses that were aborted 40, 50, 60 years ago," Dr Lott said. "It doesn't require newly aborted foetuses." While living human cells can only divide around 50 times, those foetal cells have been genetically modified so they can divide an infinite number of times. They found an increased risk of haemorrhagic stroke, a brain bleed, in the 28 days after vaccination with the BioNTech/Pfizer shot, The increased risk was significantly higher in female patients. I bolded the part of your own first paragraph that shows how you're dead scared of the vaccine. Perhaps just admitting it reduces your overwhelming fear. Who knows? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber nudge+ 15,329 Posted October 29, 2021 Author Subscriber Share Posted October 29, 2021 Misinformation, trolling, pointless arguments, vehement opinions, fear-shaming; safe to say this thread has become a huge success...or a huge fucking embarrassment. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Blue 1,901 Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 6 minutes ago, nudge said: Misinformation, trolling, pointless arguments, vehement opinions, fear-shaming; safe to say this thread has become a huge success...or a huge fucking embarrassment. Well said Nudge you cant help some people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber nudge+ 15,329 Posted October 29, 2021 Author Subscriber Share Posted October 29, 2021 Just now, Happy Blue said: Well said Nudge you cant help some people cheeky bastard. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Blue 1,901 Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 1 minute ago, nudge said: cheeky bastard. Oh you're such a flirt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Blue 1,901 Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 @Stan this guy explains where your inflated covid deaths numbers come from .. @The Premier Steve's he answers your questions too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan 18,393 Posted October 30, 2021 Administrator Share Posted October 30, 2021 My mum tested positive for COVID on Thursday. Thankfully my dad, missus and I have all tested negative. She's double jabbed and I for one am glad for it. Without that I don't think she'd be here today. Or at least seriously suffering. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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