Smiley Culture Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Suicide, according to the media. Wow. That’s really sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan Posted February 15, 2020 Administrator Share Posted February 15, 2020 Very sad. Only 40 years old. Guessing last year's events had a big part to play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiley Culture Posted February 15, 2020 Author Share Posted February 15, 2020 In some ways, I can’t believe it. In others, I can believe it. Her life had been torn apart, her career in probable tatters, split from loved ones and hounded by the media at seminal moments in her life recently. Although she may have been the one to end her life, there’s accountability elsewhere for this death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFCMike Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 The gutter press that hounded her for the last year or whatever will now pay tribute I'm assuming. RIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber RandoEFC+ Posted February 15, 2020 Subscriber Share Posted February 15, 2020 3 hours ago, LFCMike said: The gutter press that hounded her for the last year or whatever will now pay tribute I'm assuming. RIP The majority of the media are shameless and disgusting. How far do we have to go with stuff like this until it gets looked into? Very sad. I'd never want to be any sort of public figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Artful Dodger Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 I hate Love Island and I hate people who like Love Island, but isn't this the third suicide linked to that show in little less than year? It's poison, I wouldn't be surprised if we have a tv show where it encourages people to top themselves for our entertainment soon. We're destroying ourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 To be absolutely blunt, this is just an example of how our modern day society works. And you can see why Harry was protecting Meghan from this kind of inevitable onslaught. Love to focus on negativity, build someone up, tear them down, throw them to the dogs or whatever. When there is negativity, people thrive on it. It's too easy to criticise on appearance, and knock people down from behind a phone screen or using another platform of media. What you don't realise is everyone has a limit. It really costs fuck all to be kind to someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 2 hours ago, The Artful Dodger said: I hate Love Island and I hate people who like Love Island, but isn't this the third suicide linked to that show in little less than year? It's poison, I wouldn't be surprised if we have a tv show where it encourages people to top themselves for our entertainment soon. We're destroying ourselves. What connection is to be made from Love Island exactly? That she’s a presenter? The team that work on it consistently talk about how great it is to work on it. Not much evidence of Love Island influencing this as there has been with the contestants who suicided. Lazy comparison at this stage tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Artful Dodger Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 5 minutes ago, Danny said: What connection is to be made from Love Island exactly? That she’s a presenter? The team that work on it consistently talk about how great it is to work on it. Not much evidence of Love Island influencing this as there has been with the contestants who suicided. Lazy comparison at this stage tbh Maybe. Love Island is just a microcosm of our vacuous, self obsessed culture lived out in our parasitical media. People moaning about the tabloids don't get it, it's our whole culture that has to change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderator Tommy Posted February 16, 2020 Moderator Share Posted February 16, 2020 I don't know her. Just had a quick glance at her Wikipedia page. Seems like her private life was a bit of a mess. A troubled soul so to speak. Tragic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machado Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 19 minutes ago, The Artful Dodger said: People moaning about the tabloids don't get it, it's our whole culture that has to change. My initial reaction exactly. I don't know who this woman is but from a quick search I understand she was very much in the public eye, which at some point probably affected her mental health in a way she didn't expect. When we're blaming the media who exactly are we looking at? The people working at The Sun are only making a living for themselves. They'd be out of a job if the stuff they put out there didn't sell, so the consumer is to blame. If people want to end the intrusive behavior of the paparazzi, they should stop buying the magazines/papers that feature their work. But will that ever happen? I don't think so. Cultural change? I think it's bigger than that. Curiosity is part of mankind and living beings in general, which has been exploited by public figures themselves who have craved publicity and press since there is a notion of public figure, so now It's just expected that you open up your life when you're one. It's a prize they all have to pay to benefit a few. These days people see someone on the tv, they want to know at what time they take a shower and which shampoo they use. It's come to a point where people feel entitled to know all sorts of private information, and when they get it, it's a nasty feeling of empowerment really. So again, do I think people will stop buying? Not a chance. It's too late to decide paparazzi are immoral. It's been accepted and normalized. The only way to stop tabloids is through the law now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiley Culture Posted February 16, 2020 Author Share Posted February 16, 2020 It may have been the tip of the iceberg for that programme but Jeremy Kyle was cancelled after a guest committed suicide after appearing on the programme. This is now the third death linked to Love Island as a programme. Admittedly, the deaths weren’t as a direct result of appearing on the programme but the duty of care from ITV had been brought into question after each of the previous two deaths linked to the show, so has much changed? The programme for me should have been pulled immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan Posted February 16, 2020 Administrator Share Posted February 16, 2020 25 minutes ago, Smiley Culture said: It may have been the tip of the iceberg for that programme but Jeremy Kyle was cancelled after a guest committed suicide after appearing on the programme. This is now the third death linked to Love Island as a programme. Admittedly, the deaths weren’t as a direct result of appearing on the programme but the duty of care from ITV had been brought into question after each of the previous two deaths linked to the show, so has much changed? The programme for me should have been pulled immediately. Considering this is the first series where Flack hadn't presented it due to issues in her personal life, what duty of care would they have given she's not presenting it? Linking Flack's death to the 2 previous contestants who sadly died after appearing on it is unfair on Sophie and Mike and also Love Island. I'm pretty sure as well contestants in the last series said there was nothing wrong with the care they'd received. Think it's quite lazy to compare it to what happened on Jeremy Kyle as well. A guest literally died on their show. No comparison there with Love Island I'm afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Artful Dodger Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 Seeing the love island creeps try and distance themselves from this and blame the media is revolting. Voyeur, sun reading cunts. Read a book and stop being interested in Chantelle and Tyrone fingering each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Artful Dodger Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 11 minutes ago, Stan said: I'm pretty sure as well contestants in the last series said there was nothing wrong with the care they'd received. Keep hearing bellends say this. You really don’t see what’s wrong at all. It’s not even about individuals. The whole show erodes humanity. Even the most unique, treasured thing in life is reduced to a gameshow for imbeciles to watch. It is the worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan Posted February 16, 2020 Administrator Share Posted February 16, 2020 13 minutes ago, The Artful Dodger said: Keep hearing bellends say this. You really don’t see what’s wrong at all. It’s not even about individuals. The whole show erodes humanity. Even the most unique, treasured thing in life is reduced to a gameshow for imbeciles to watch. It is the worst. I do see what's wrong but I don't want to make a lazy assumption that only Love Island was to blame for Flack's death which is what people seem to be doing. Also don't want to jump to that conclusion because probably none of us have any idea what her motive to commit suicide (if this is the case) was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiley Culture Posted February 16, 2020 Author Share Posted February 16, 2020 25 minutes ago, Stan said: Considering this is the first series where Flack hadn't presented it due to issues in her personal life, what duty of care would they have given she's not presenting it? Linking Flack's death to the 2 previous contestants who sadly died after appearing on it is unfair on Sophie and Mike and also Love Island. I'm pretty sure as well contestants in the last series said there was nothing wrong with the care they'd received. Think it's quite lazy to compare it to what happened on Jeremy Kyle as well. A guest literally died on their show. No comparison there with Love Island I'm afraid. She was an employee of ITV at the time of her troubles, regardless of whether she’s on TV or Love Island, there’s a duty of care there, for sure. No one died on the Jeremy Kyle show btw. It was after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadLinesman Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 19 minutes ago, Smiley Culture said: No one died on the Jeremy Kyle show btw. It was after. But it was directly attributable to the show due to the lie detector test. I believe that’s what Stan is getting at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 My understanding is that the Jeremy Kyle death occurred almost immediately after the guests appearance. Hence the immediate decision to cancel the show. Ethically, that show was under huge scrutiny any way by previous comments on how guests were set up and decieved to appear a certain way. The deaths linked to Love Island, from my understanding, were not immediately after their appearance. Several celebrities have been created as a result of appearing on shows such as Love Island, Big Brother, Geordie Shore etc. and the question has to be how long should the after care be for these contestants? When should these participants be expected to take personal responsibility for their actions? That's pretty much why it's not been taken off the air and I doubt it will be any time soon. I'm personally of the opinion that Love Island shouldn't take any criticism or this. Neither should any employer who advises their employees to resign following a domestic abuse charge. The CPS will no doubt come under scrutiny from a safeguarding perspective, but given they haven't got the resources to ensure adequate victim care is given to victims I think there are more pressing matters to criticise. Really, the media and social media platforms should take more responsibility, but they wont. We are already seeing hypocrisy from Morgan, Hopkins etc which I guess is expected. So in essence nothing will change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadLinesman Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 Eamon Holmes’ hypocrisy was fantastic. Tweeting about how terrible it was etc and then someone posts a video of him slating Meghan Markle whilst admitting he’d never met her. Daft twat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber RandoEFC+ Posted February 16, 2020 Subscriber Share Posted February 16, 2020 2 hours ago, DeadLinesman said: Eamon Holmes’ hypocrisy was fantastic. Tweeting about how terrible it was etc and then someone posts a video of him slating Meghan Markle whilst admitting he’d never met her. Daft twat. This. I'm barely aware of Caroline Flack and her career but this whole thing is making me really angry. The same white, ageing men with the same outdated, demented worldview being completely hypocritical. I'd be surprised if Eamonn Holmes and Piers Morgan actually had the self-awareness to tweet their sympathies without being directed to by some PR/social media advisor who suggests they'll need to do it for their image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 2 hours ago, DeadLinesman said: Eamon Holmes’ hypocrisy was fantastic. Tweeting about how terrible it was etc and then someone posts a video of him slating Meghan Markle whilst admitting he’d never met her. Daft twat. ITV as a whole have been pretty terrible, to employ him and Morgan and then genuinely run a mental health campaign is beyond belief. The sad truth in all of this is that from print, to digital to television and radio there is zero accountability for things like this. The media shapes and informs our daily lives, it is almost impossible to switch off from it realistically without living like a hermit and we’ve become conditioned to believe that this is normal. Even with what happened to Caroline Flack, from social media to digital publications to television and radio her suicide is everywhere. There is no news story big enough that we should not be able to escape it without locking ourselves in a shed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiley Culture Posted February 17, 2020 Author Share Posted February 17, 2020 Not read the article (obviously) but The Sun’s front cover today appears to be pointing the blame towards the Crown Prosecution Service by asking “why take her to court?” after they had knowledge of her self harming (allegedly) in the past. What a way to dodge any blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan Posted February 17, 2020 Administrator Share Posted February 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, Smiley Culture said: Not read the article (obviously) but The Sun’s front cover today appears to be pointing the blame towards the Crime Prosecution Service by asking “why take her to court?” after they had knowledge of her self harming (allegedly) in the past. What a way to dodge any blame. Saw on Twitter they've also - with a lot of irony they're surely blind to - said in an article 'we can all positively impact on others' wellbeing - despite literally casting headlines each day that do exactly the opposite. They're utterly disgusting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadLinesman Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Smiley Culture said: Not read the article (obviously) but The Sun’s front cover today appears to be pointing the blame towards the Crown Prosecution Service by asking “why take her to court?” after they had knowledge of her self harming (allegedly) in the past. What a way to dodge any blame. In a nutshell.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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