LFCMadLad 2,080 Posted September 27, 2020 Author Share Posted September 27, 2020 1 minute ago, God is Haaland said: And City had a far better team when Pep took over than Liverpool when Klopp took over. This is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny 2,206 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, LFCMadLad said: So basically you are relating expectation to the amount of money spent? I rest my case. What case? There is more expectation on Guardiola to succeed at City than Klopp at Liverpool, there was more expectation from day one. Prior to Klopp taking over you had Rodgers and Hodgson in charge, this biggest club in England sentiment doesn’t wash when talking about expectation at the club. Clearly the pressure was not that high compared to City if you previously employed managers from Swansea and West Brom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero 5,267 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 1 minute ago, LFCMadLad said: Which would you rather have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burning Gold 599 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, Cicero said: It's the myth Klopp made a silk purse out of a sow's ear. Even Klopp now recognises how much of a hypocrite he sounded, so its a little funny hearing some Liverpool fans still conjure up this lie when there is a discussion on Klopp or Pep. Both spent money to compete. Breaking records on the way. There's nothing wrong with that given what football is today. I've never said that. We've obviously spent money, but equally it's moronic to pretend our approach to squad building, level of spending, or ability to spend effectively, is in any way equivalent to City's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFCMadLad 2,080 Posted September 27, 2020 Author Share Posted September 27, 2020 5 minutes ago, Danny said: What case? There is more expectation on Guardiola to succeed at City than Klopp at Liverpool, there was more expectation from day one. Prior to Klopp taking over you had Rodgers and Hodgson in charge, this biggest club in England sentiment doesn’t wash when talking about expectation at the club. Clearly the pressure was not that high compared to City if you previously employed managers from Swansea and West Brom Which makes the job Klopp has done even more remarkable compared to Pep who took over the best and richest club in the country. Who is best? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Blue 1,899 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 1 hour ago, LFCMadLad said: I know im biased but here is my take... In Germany Pep took over the dominant side, bought all the leagues best players. Klopp built a team and made Pep look like a cunt. In England Pep took over the dominent club and outspent everyone in the league. Klopp meanwhile built a team and is yet again making Pep look like a cunt. Who is the best manager? Id take Klopp after Pep leaves tbf ..Pep's teams are better to watch though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God is Haaland 618 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 1 minute ago, LFCMadLad said: Which makes the job Klopp has done even more remarkable compared to Pep who took over the best and richest club in country. Who is best? Sebastian Höneß https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1481006/Live/Germany-Bundesliga-2020-2021-Hoffenheim-Bayern-Munich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero 5,267 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 4 minutes ago, Burning Gold said: I've never said that. We've obviously spent money, but equally it's moronic to pretend our approach to squad building, level of spending, or ability to spend effectively, is in any way equivalent to City's. Right but the premise remains the same. Both Klopp and Pep spent loads to get where they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny 2,206 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 8 minutes ago, LFCMadLad said: Which makes the job Klopp has done even more remarkable compared to Pep who took over the best and richest club in country. Who is best? My initial point was that Klopp has not proven himself at a club with instant high expectations and resources and Pep has not proven himself at a club with lacking expectations and resources. They are different managers who offer different things to different clubs. Who would I rather have now? Klopp. Whose been the greater manager so far in their careers? Pep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber RandoEFC+ 7,662 Posted September 27, 2020 Subscriber Share Posted September 27, 2020 11 minutes ago, LFCMadLad said: No, but its a massive advantage when one manager has unlimited funds, and the other has to sell his best players to fund a rebiuld. Yeah but you have the entire media on your side hyping up your players to convince dickheads like Barcelona and Bournemouth to pay you three times their actual value. Some teams have certain advantages, other teams have others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero 5,267 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 Liverpool have been incredibly fortunate the past 2 seasons keeping their front three and VVD fit. For all we know we could have the exact opposite of this thread had a couple of those players been out through a long term injury. This isn't to discredit Klopp. It's to show how easily things can sway people's perception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God is Haaland 618 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 21 minutes ago, Happy Blue said: Id take Klopp after Pep leaves tbf ..Pep's teams are better to watch though I agree. City - Leicester was pretty entertaining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFCMadLad 2,080 Posted September 27, 2020 Author Share Posted September 27, 2020 18 minutes ago, RandoEFC said: Yeah but you have the entire media on your side hyping up your players to convince dickheads like Barcelona and Bournemouth to pay you three times their actual value. Some teams have certain advantages, other teams have others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFCMadLad 2,080 Posted September 27, 2020 Author Share Posted September 27, 2020 When both managers arrived in England, one took over the best and richest club in the Premier League, the other took over a club that was struggling to make the top four. Fast forward a few years and City still outspend everyone in the land and Liverpool have been to 2 CL finals (winning one), won the league and are currently the best team in the country. I dont even think there is a debate to be had here to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Blue 1,899 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 13 minutes ago, God is Haaland said: I agree. City - Leicester was pretty entertaining. Not seen it yet, sounds fun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Blue 1,899 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 16 minutes ago, LFCMadLad said: When both managers arrived in England, one took over the best and richest club in the Premier League, the other took over a club that was struggling to make the top four. Fast forward a few years and City still outspend everyone in the land and Liverpool have been to 2 CL finals (winning one), won the league and are currently the best team in the country. I dont even think there is a debate to be had here to be honest. IF Klopp can win back to back titles AND beat our points record, then we can talk! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God is Haaland 618 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 10 minutes ago, Happy Blue said: Not seen it yet, sounds fun! Too busy managing your hedge fund? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFCMadLad 2,080 Posted September 27, 2020 Author Share Posted September 27, 2020 Just now, Happy Blue said: IF Klopp can win back to back titles AND beat our points record, then we can talk! We finished 1 point behind you whilst winning the CL. No need to talk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Blue 1,899 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 Just now, God is Haaland said: Too busy managing your hedge fund? Didn't get to bed till dinner time today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Blue 1,899 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 1 minute ago, LFCMadLad said: We finished 1 point behind you whilst winning the CL. No need to talk Beat our points record and defend the title, only then can you talk! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo 8,186 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 Pep’s not even the second best manager in the North West, let alone the league. So yeah Klopp’s better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Artful Dodger 1,831 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 Chelsea fans are all going to say Pep, because he is their kind of manager...only he didn't fancy them and turned them down! I don't know how you can really tell them apart, Klopp sees like a sounder guy who hates Tories but Guardiola hates Madirsta too. Both great managers, not much between them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Blue 1,899 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 8 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said: Pep’s not even the second best manager in the North West, let alone the league. So yeah Klopp’s better Didn't realize Klopp had won back to back premier league titles, my bad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo 8,186 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Happy Blue said: Didn't realize Klopp had won back to back premier league titles, my bad! It’s just hard to respect his accomplishments in England compared to other managers. I could spend £25k a day, every single day, for 43 years... and I still wouldn’t have spent as much as City have on defenders alone under Pep. With that kind of financial power you’d expect Pep to have won a lot with City. And he has, but maybe not as much as he should have when you look at the spending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadLinesman 5,938 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 9 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said: Pep’s not even the second best manager in the North West, let alone the league. So yeah Klopp’s better I knew you secretly loved Ole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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