Guest Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 I was thinking earlier when I went into cafe to get a roast and they didnt have any about how lucky I am to live in the first world. I've thought about it before it's not a new thing. Is it something you ever think about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber CaaC (John)+ Posted March 13, 2022 Subscriber Share Posted March 13, 2022 I think I do, although we have health issues, and wars but at least we live in a modern world, I would rather live in 2022 than say way back in 1940/50's, look at all the mod cons we have nowadays, coloured tv, mobiles, internet etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 7 minutes ago, CaaC (John) said: I think I do, although we have health issues, and wars but at least we live in a modern world, I would rather live in 2022 than say way back in 1940/50's, look at all the mod cons we have nowadays, coloured tv, mobiles, internet etc. I think overall I would rather live in now days than the past. I mean some things were better then but I think a lot of things are better now. I certainly prefer the morals of today. I dont mean it in a disrespectful way I'm just not keen on a lot of old fashioned ideas. Although I do think we dont have the same sence of community that we once had. I think alot of it is because men worked and women stayed at home people generally had more time to get to know their neighbours. It's a shame it's not like that anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azeem Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Any place with good basic facilities, relative security, relative freedom and fun places to go to is appreciateable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toinho Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Surely no one living in America can respond to this topic… But yes, yes I do. I’m very lucky and I don’t forget that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil-Dick Willie Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 22 hours ago, Toinho said: Surely no one living in America can respond to this topic… 3rd world nation with a gucci bag. No I don't. I think industrial society is a horrid mess and we should voluntarily regress to agrarian socialism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 Sometimes. Life is definitely easier in the developed world & it's definitely harder outside of it - so overall yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil-Dick Willie Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 13 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said: Sometimes. Life is definitely easier in the developed world & it's definitely harder outside of it - so overall yes. I'd rather have been raised with a roof over my head, fishing farming and hunting than being born into the rat race. Hard doesn't equate to bad. Nor easy to good. We live in a first world of depression, excess and meaninglessness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber RandoEFC+ Posted March 17, 2022 Subscriber Share Posted March 17, 2022 This is a really hard question to answer. It is a bit strange sometimes living in the first world, even though we have security that others would do almost anything to have themselves, and we've got a huge litany of luxuries that we don't really need designed to make our lives better. But I genuinely would be happy if I grew up and lived anywhere where me and my family were safe, sheltered and not going hungry. I think others are getting at this as well, but most of the things that bring negativity to my life are products of how the 'first world' fundamentally works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber nudge+ Posted March 17, 2022 Subscriber Share Posted March 17, 2022 Just because someone lives in "developing world" doesn't mean they are living in extreme poverty with no freedoms and securities, or are unhappy and unfulfilled... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azeem Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Being rich in a developing country is the best. You get to circumvent all the rules in your home country, live a very luxurious life on low cost and can always move to London if found guilty in a corruption case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 1 hour ago, nudge said: Just because someone lives in "developing world" doesn't mean they are living in extreme poverty with no freedoms and securities, or are unhappy and unfulfilled... Yeah that’s certainly true too. 2 hours ago, Devil-Dick Willie said: I'd rather have been raised with a roof over my head, fishing farming and hunting than being born into the rat race. Hard doesn't equate to bad. Nor easy to good. We live in a first world of depression, excess and meaninglessness. I mean I can certainly agree with parts of that. Hard ≠ bad, easy ≠ good, but I think there’s a lot of instances where having things make your life easier are generally good. I think it’s a tough question to answer. If I can pick where I’d be in the world it might be easier, but we don’t pick where we’re born so it’s really hard to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber nudge+ Posted March 17, 2022 Subscriber Share Posted March 17, 2022 11 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said: Yeah that’s certainly true too. Just to clarify, my post wasn't really a reaction to yours; more of a general observation Quite a lot of people in developed world seem to assume that every developing country is a hellhole with no infrastructure where everyone is poor, miserable, uneducated, oppressed, lives in a slum, and has no access to food, clean water, education, healthcare and other basic human needs. To be fair though, at the same time, many people in developing world also seem to assume that every developed country is an utopian paradise where everything functions flawlessly and everyone's basically bathing in money and luxury, and can do and get anything they want in life whenever they want it. Just the nature of us, I suppose. You're definitely not wrong about certain aspects of life being easier in a developed country compared to a developing one, and there are many things that people living in developed world take for granted, for sure. But in essence, if you remove both extremes (very rich and very poor), the lives of average people in developed and developing world aren't all that different... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber Coma+ Posted March 17, 2022 Subscriber Share Posted March 17, 2022 Whenever this topic comes up it reminds me of Anthony Bourdain. I remember watching and reading a lot of him back in the day. He was always adamant that as westerners we have it so good and that we owe it to ourselves to enjoy what we have because there are others out there that would kill for it. Too many Americans take it for granted that we are spoiled for choice in everything. I miss that guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber Viva la FCB+ Posted March 17, 2022 Subscriber Share Posted March 17, 2022 36 minutes ago, Coma said: Whenever this topic comes up it reminds me of Anthony Bourdain. I remember watching and reading a lot of him back in the day. He was always adamant that as westerners we have it so good and that we owe it to ourselves to enjoy what we have because there are others out there that would kill for it. Too many Americans take it for granted that we are spoiled for choice in everything. I miss that guy. He was quite the guy, I still enjoy watching alot of his stuff. I think travelling in general but specifically backpacking gives you alot more perspective on things. But at the end of the day nudge is bang on its all over the spectrum no matter where you go for the most part. I just went for Carribean food in downtown Vancouver on the weekend and just to see how the rampant homeless/drug situation has gotten so far out of hand makes me sad going through there. Ive only been that way maybe once or twice during the pandemic so seeing it now ah man its tough. Weve had a massive increase in drug related deaths in the last few years specifically related to Fentanyl and Fentanyl laced drugs. Ive seen it for years driving through Seattle and Portland much the same with the homelessness, anyways everywhere has their problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 1 hour ago, nudge said: Just to clarify, my post wasn't really a reaction to yours; more of a general observation Quite a lot of people in developed world seem to assume that every developing country is a hellhole with no infrastructure where everyone is poor, miserable, uneducated, oppressed, lives in a slum, and has no access to food, clean water, education, healthcare and other basic human needs. To be fair though, at the same time, many people in developing world also seem to assume that every developed country is an utopian paradise where everything functions flawlessly and everyone's basically bathing in money and luxury, and can do and get anything they want in life whenever they want it. Just the nature of us, I suppose. You're definitely not wrong about certain aspects of life being easier in a developed country compared to a developing one, and there are many things that people living in developed world take for granted, for sure. But in essence, if you remove both extremes (very rich and very poor), the lives of average people in developed and developing world aren't all that different... I also have a pretty biased view of what I'd consider the "developing" country I'd most likely be living in this hypothetical scenario and... tbh it's pretty grim in comparison to the life I'm used to. Religious rule + morality police, no booze & the music I like the most is considered blasphemous, the economy is absolute shit, and the government cares more about proxy wars with US allies than it does about making things less shit there, and a whole lot of other really shit things. I didn't assume that your post wasn't a reaction to mine - but I thought it was a good point because when I thought of where I'd probably be if I wasn't in the developed world, my mind went to Iran... and obviously most countries in the world aren't really like Iran at all, whether they're developed or undeveloped. It really does depend on where you'd hypothetically end up, I think, in answering this question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toinho Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 14 hours ago, Devil-Dick Willie said: I'd rather have been raised with a roof over my head, fishing farming and hunting than being born into the rat race. Hard doesn't equate to bad. Nor easy to good. We live in a first world of depression, excess and meaninglessness. I get the point, and agree to an extent (excess for sure) but you're assuming the whole third or developing world aren't depressed or feel a sense of meaningless. I wonder if I asked the millions of people who just stand next to roads all day everyday if they would feel that they are fulfilled, happy and the fact they have literally nothing is a good thing? It's tough because as has been said before doesn't mean all in the third world so to speak fit into my above question. It's a very complex topic. Upon second read - I now get your comparison from a time of now, to a time of before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil-Dick Willie Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 Just now, Toinho said: Wow. Maybe you do? I get the point, and agree to an extent (excess for sure) but you're assuming the whole third or developing world aren't depressed or feel a sense of meaningless. I wonder if I asked the millions of random Indian people who just stand next to roads all day everyday if they would feel that they are fulfilled, happy and the fact they have literally nothing is a good thing? That's a false comparison. I've no idea where you've got that from? I'm not comparing first to third world, I'm comparing the current first world to an earlier age. Obviously you me and 90% of people would rather have the problem of insignificance and over distraction compared to owning nothing and living day to day. Boredom and unfulfilled now vs a tougher then. Rather than Sydney now to Mumbai slums now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toinho Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, Devil-Dick Willie said: That's a false comparison. I've no idea where you've got that from? I'm not comparing first to third world, I'm comparing the current first world to an earlier age. Obviously you me and 90% of people would rather have the problem of insignificance and over distraction compared to owning nothing and living day to day. Boredom and unfulfilled now vs a tougher then. Rather than Sydney now to Mumbai slums now. Yeah fair enough, I did make some edits to my post. And did miss your post a bit - I was being super naughty and trying to triple multitask while posting. Story of my life (I'm at work...) but thanks for clarifying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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