Happy Blue Posted January 21, 2023 Posted January 21, 2023 https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/premier-league-five-net-spend-134509929.html Forget the league table, it’s all about the Premier League net spend table. Man Utd are being hauled in by Chelsea, with only one club turning a profit over the last five years. Bold denotes a profit; final league positions in brackets… 1) Manchester United: £-545.8m 22/23: £-204.4m 21/22: £-98.4m (6th) 20/21: £-58.32m (2nd) 19/20: £-138.24m (3rd) 18/19: £-46.94m (6th) 2) Chelsea: £-517.3m 22/23: £-336m 21/22: £1.76m (3rd) 20/21: £-169.56m (4th) 19/20: £101.04m (4th) 18/19: £-113m (3rd) 3) Arsenal: £-440.4m 22/23: £-97.4m 21/22: £-122.4m (5th) 20/21: £-59.27m (8th) 19/20: £-96.08m (8th) 18/19: £-65.03m (5th) 4) West Ham: £-355.7m 22/23: £-147.78m 21/22: £-63.24m (7th) 20/21: £-8.36m (6th) 19/20: £-58.11m (16th) 18/19: £-77.43m (10th) 5) Tottenham: £-331.45m 22/23: £-118m 21/22: £-55.15m (4th) 20/21: £-87.48m (7th) 19/20: £-75.6m (6th) 18/19: £4.82m (4th) 6) Newcastle: £-314.3m 22/23: £-120.67m 21/22: £-117.45m (11th) 20/21: £-34.85m (12th) 19/20: £-33.53m (13th) 18/19: £-7.83m (13th) 7) Aston Villa: £-271.97m 22/23: £-37.2m 21/22: £-2.54m (14th) 20/21: £-88.72m (11th) 19/20: £-140.85m (17th) 18/19: £-2.66m (5th in Championship) Liverpool: £-253.61m 22/23: £-45.64m 21/22: £-51.71m (2nd) 20/21: £-58.91m (3rd) 19/20: £28.08m (Champions) 18/19: £-126.79m (2nd) 9) Wolves: £-250.36m 22/23: £-73.55m 21/22: £-5.22m (10th) 20/21: £-3.24m (13th) 19/20: £-83.34m (7th) 18/19: £-80.51m (7th) 10) Manchester City: £-213.8m 22/23: £18.36m 21/22: £-36.63m (Champions) 20/21: £-90.14m (Champions) 19/20: £-79.67m (2nd) 18/19: £-18.89m (Champions)
Happy Blue Posted January 25, 2023 Author Posted January 25, 2023 https://www2.deloitte.com/uk/en/pages/sports-business-group/articles/deloitte-football-money-league.html Manchester City retain their position at the top of the Money League and for the second time were the club to generate the highest revenue in world football. This caps off a rapid rise up the rankings, with the club having only broken into the top five for the first time in 2015/16. This growth has been fuelled by an increase in commercial revenue (up €65m to €373m in 2021/22), which is a new Premier League record. Liverpool were the biggest movers among the consistent clubs included in this and last year’s edition of the Money League. The club rose four places (from 7th to 3rd) to achieve its highest position in Money League history, and in doing so overtook Manchester United for the first time, on the back of a run to the UEFA Champions League Final 2022. It was also only one of five clubs to report over €100m in matchday revenue, which was the first time the club had done so, as fans returned to football stadia in their masses. This is expected to increase further in coming years, with the expansion of the Anfield Road Stand due to be completed prior to the 2023/24 season. For the first time since 2018/19 a new club entered the Money League top 10, with Arsenal replacing Juventus (who fell from 9th to 11th), primarily by virtue of the significant matchday revenue generated, which was almost three times that of the Serie A club in 2021/22. Whilst Juventus and other Italian clubs played a significant portion of their season under the crowd restrictions noted previously, it also reflects a significant return on the investment into the Emirates stadium and goes some way to justifying the infrastructure investment being explored by clubs such as Real Madrid, FC Barcelona, the Milan clubs and Everton, who are looking to future-proof their businesses.
Happy Blue Posted January 25, 2023 Author Posted January 25, 2023 In contrast to Liverpool and Arsenal, FC Barcelona reported one of the sharpest falls in the rankings, with the club dropping from 4th to 7th. This was primarily due to a 13% decline in broadcast revenues, which were partially attributed to underperformance in UEFA club competitions in comparison to previous years, as the club competed in the second tier of UEFA club competition in 2021/22 for the first time since the 2003/04 season (by virtue of the club dropping out of the UEFA Champions League Group stage). Furthermore, the growth in their commercial revenue was significantly outpaced by other clubs (€7m compared to €65m for Manchester City, €37m for Liverpool, €47m for Manchester United, €46m for Paris Saint-Germain and €33m for Bayern Munich). The club commenced a multi-year commercial agreement with Spotify, covering the men’s and women’s team shirt and training kit sponsorship as well as naming rights for the Camp Nou, in the 2022/23 season. It remains to be seen how this and the sale of the club’s ‘economic levers’ (which did not impact revenue in 2021/22), including the sale of both 49.9% of its ‘Barça Licensing and Merchandising’ company and 25% of its domestic La Liga rights over a 25-year period, impacts the club’s position in the Money League in upcoming editions.
Happy Blue Posted January 25, 2023 Author Posted January 25, 2023 For the first time, more than half of the top 20 clubs (11 of 20) heralded from one country – England – further highlighting the financial superiority of the Premier League and how clubs were able to better ride the wave of COVID. Indeed, there has been a steady increase in the number of English clubs in the Money League over the last decade, as clubs that have not competed in UEFA club competitions and that have moderately sized stadia have made their way into the rankings at the expense of clubs from other ‘big five’ leagues who regularly compete in UEFA club competitions. This is evidenced by Leeds United appearing in the rankings for the first time since the 2002/03 season, with the club competing in the second tier of the English football pyramid as recently as 2019/20. When considering the top 30, there are 16 English clubs, representing 80% of all clubs in the Premier League. The remainder of the top 30 ranking includes five clubs from La Liga, three from both Serie A and the Bundesliga and one from Ligue 1, all of whom competed in UEFA club competitions in 2021/22 and, with the exception of Villarreal CF, played in a stadium with a capacity of over 40,000 or more (and over 60,000 for all other than Paris Saint-Germain, Juventus, Sevilla and Eintracht Frankfurt). Benfica (24th) and Ajax (27th) were the only clubs outside the ‘big five’ leagues to be ranked in the top 30, driven by consistent performance in Europe with a Quarter-final and Round of 16 appearance in the UEFA Champions League respectively.
Cicero Posted January 25, 2023 Posted January 25, 2023 It's easy to get a head start over everyone else when you've been defrauding your revenue stream for the first half a decade of City's ownership.
6666 Posted January 25, 2023 Posted January 25, 2023 Our spending is now pretty normal for a top Premier League side (barring Man City & Chelsea) but we are a complete disaster at selling. We basically just let players go cheaply or on free transfers just to get rid of wages. Would've been interesting if they also gave numbers for money spent/made from transfers.
Gunnersaurus Posted January 25, 2023 Posted January 25, 2023 1 minute ago, 6666 said: Our spending is now pretty normal for a top Premier League side (barring Man City & Chelsea) but we are a complete disaster at selling. We basically just let players go cheaply or on free transfers just to get rid of wages. Would've been interesting if they also gave numbers for money spent/made from transfers. They do don't they? Net spend is transfer fees v transfer money received I think
6666 Posted January 25, 2023 Posted January 25, 2023 2 minutes ago, Gunnersaurus said: They do don't they? Net spend is transfer fees v transfer money received I think I meant separate columns. One for money spent and one for money received.
Gunnersaurus Posted January 25, 2023 Posted January 25, 2023 28 minutes ago, Cicero said: It's easy to get a head start over everyone else when you've been defrauding your revenue stream for the first half a decade of City's ownership. If you go back ten years city are second in net spend. When you spend a lot of money you are able to make a lot in transfer sales which keeps your net spend down. Although they're net spend is behind teams like west ham over 5 years. West ham were never able to generate enough money from player sells to spend the kind of money city have. Also with inflation you can make money back easier. Between 2003 and 2018 city spent more money than anyone despite only having a lot of money since 2008 City also have the second or third highest wage bill which needs to he taken into account. They are a very well run club definitely but you would expect them to be more successful than liverpool. Man utd should be doing better. But man city aren't these massive over achievers like HB is trying to make out.
Gunnersaurus Posted January 25, 2023 Posted January 25, 2023 3 minutes ago, 6666 said: I meant separate columns. One for money spent and one for money received. Ow right.
OrangeKhrush Posted January 25, 2023 Posted January 25, 2023 it's funny when Chelsea are doing what everyone thought Newcastle will do. it seems like FFP only applies to non top 6 clubs. it's the handbrake to prevent someone else cutting into that comfort pie.
Gunnersaurus Posted January 25, 2023 Posted January 25, 2023 Just now, OrangeKhrush said: it's funny when Chelsea are doing what everyone thought Newcastle will do. it seems like FFP only applies to non top 6 clubs. it's the handbrake to prevent someone else cutting into that comfort pie. Chelsea have time to balance out the books though. They will have only broken the rules if they haven't done that within the allotted time.
Administrator Stan Posted January 25, 2023 Administrator Posted January 25, 2023 5 minutes ago, OrangeKhrush said: it's funny when Chelsea are doing what everyone thought Newcastle will do. it seems like FFP only applies to non top 6 clubs. it's the handbrake to prevent someone else cutting into that comfort pie. Do you think Newcastle will flash the cash over the next 2-3 seasons?
OrangeKhrush Posted January 25, 2023 Posted January 25, 2023 Just now, Gunnersaurus said: Chelsea have time to balance out the books though. They will have only broken the rules if they haven't done that within the allotted time. UEFA are on to them and I hope for fairness the 5 year mandatum applies retrospectively to prevent Chelsea having advantage from deliberate circumvention of FFP intents. it will mean Chelsea have a smaller window to make it work. I do however think they will cash out now and the summer then park the handbrake for 2 or 3 Windows
OrangeKhrush Posted January 25, 2023 Posted January 25, 2023 Just now, Stan said: Do you think Newcastle will flash the cash over the next 2-3 seasons? we will spend but unlikely to spend anywhere near what the "big 6" will
Gunnersaurus Posted January 25, 2023 Posted January 25, 2023 2 minutes ago, OrangeKhrush said: UEFA are on to them and I hope for fairness the 5 year mandatum applies retrospectively to prevent Chelsea having advantage from deliberate circumvention of FFP intents. it will mean Chelsea have a smaller window to make it work. I do however think they will cash out now and the summer then park the handbrake for 2 or 3 Windows The point is though is that they still haven't broken the rules yet. So they aren't getting preferential treatment like you suggested
OrangeKhrush Posted January 25, 2023 Posted January 25, 2023 10 minutes ago, Gunnersaurus said: The point is though is that they still haven't broken the rules yet. So they aren't getting preferential treatment like you suggested if you cheat in an exam and your marks come 3 weeks later, doesn't mean you didn't get your advantage three weeks prior. Chelsea have bent rules to gain an advantage ipso facto they should not benefit from it
Gunnersaurus Posted January 25, 2023 Posted January 25, 2023 10 minutes ago, OrangeKhrush said: if you cheat in an exam and your marks come 3 weeks later, doesn't mean you didn't get your advantage three weeks prior. Chelsea have bent rules to gain an advantage ipso facto they should not benefit from it They haven't broken the rules though because FFP is based over 3 years or so. So if they have a few quiet windows and get good money back from transfers they will be fine.
OrangeKhrush Posted January 25, 2023 Posted January 25, 2023 3 minutes ago, Gunnersaurus said: They haven't broken the rules though because FFP is based over 3 years or so. So if they have a few quiet windows and get good money back from transfers they will be fine. they will find it hard to sell some of their high earning underperformers. thry can sell James for a lot but that's counter productive to many dead contracts, lukaku and sterling are immovable roadblocks
Honey Honey Posted January 25, 2023 Posted January 25, 2023 Man City would have had a higher net spend had they needed to.
Gunnersaurus Posted January 25, 2023 Posted January 25, 2023 7 minutes ago, OrangeKhrush said: they will find it hard to sell some of their high earning underperformers. thry can sell James for a lot but that's counter productive to many dead contracts, lukaku and sterling are immovable roadblocks Well that might well be true but they still haven't broken the rules yet. They can't be punished on what might happen
Spike Posted January 25, 2023 Posted January 25, 2023 I'd rather see gross spending over net spending. It paints a clearer picture on how much teams buy, and I don't care what they sell.
Dr. Gonzo Posted January 26, 2023 Posted January 26, 2023 7 hours ago, OrangeKhrush said: it's funny when Chelsea are doing what everyone thought Newcastle will do. it seems like FFP only applies to non top 6 clubs. it's the handbrake to prevent someone else cutting into that comfort pie. Wait til you're in the CL mate before you start spouting off, because there's no way the Saudis are going to not throw shitloads of cash at players once you're in the CL.
Happy Blue Posted January 26, 2023 Author Posted January 26, 2023 14 hours ago, Gunnersaurus said: But man city aren't these massive over achievers like HB is trying to make out. Like everything else, HB just brings you facts. your interpretation of them is upto you
OrangeKhrush Posted January 26, 2023 Posted January 26, 2023 I keep hearing man United fans blame lack of investment yet they spent twice as much as City. The glazers have shelled out a fortune but people running man United spunked it out on bad signings. man city are every man United fan is envious to become but not admit it.
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