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The Palace Fan

Most Influential Player on One Team

Most Influentual Player  

21 members have voted

  1. 1. Who will be the sole individual to have the biggest impact on their country?

    • Lionel Messi
      9
    • Cristiano Ronaldo
      0
    • Mohamed Salah
      8
    • Christian Eriksen
      2
    • Harry Kane
      0
    • Robert Lewandowski
      1
    • Sadio Mane
      0
    • Heung-Min Son
      1


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Every time this tournament comes around there are always some teams that will have one player who is clearly a different class to everybody else. This seemed to be the case even more so at the last World Cup, with Ronaldo looking bemused at his team mates inability to string three passes together, and hundreds of Brazillians preying for a miracle outside the hospital Neymar was in.

Who will be the one needing to visit a chiropractor for back problems after carrying a whole team this tournament?

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I've gone for Salah as in that Egypt team, no-one comes even close to him there in that side. Presumably if he plays from the start. For Egypt's sake, hope he's fully fit. 

 

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Really think you should have had Neymar in here. 

Not to say Brazil aren't great but i see them revolving around him more than argies do around messi.

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53 minutes ago, Stan said:

I've gone for Salah as in that Egypt team, no-one comes even close to him there in that side. Presumably if he plays from the start. For Egypt's sake, hope he's fully fit. 

 

 Fair call on Salah. I don't see them going very far but they could advance beyond the group's given their draw.

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1 hour ago, Stan said:

I've gone for Salah as in that Egypt team, no-one comes even close to him there in that side. Presumably if he plays from the start. For Egypt's sake, hope he's fully fit. 

 

So you're saying there are players in Portugal that can come close to Ronaldo ?

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Just now, Devon Von Devon said:

So you're saying there are players in Portugal that can come close to Ronaldo ?

no. but say you took out Ronaldo and Salah from their respective teams. 

Egypt don't have anyone else that stands out.

Portugal at least still have fair amounts of quality amongst their team. 

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8 minutes ago, Stan said:

no. but say you took out Ronaldo and Salah from their respective teams. 

Egypt don't have anyone else that stands out.

Portugal at least still have fair amounts of quality amongst their team. 

Its says most Influential players on each team. Before Salah had this wonderful season no doubt he was one of the important players but whole Egypt didn't revolve around him.

That's why i've gone with Messi, without Messi Argentina always struggle which is evident from their qualifiers from this wc and the previous one.

 

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Salah wasn't the most important player in the Egypt squad in the previous World Cup qualifying, they were Aboutrika and Zidane.

While Ronaldo and Messi have been the pivots of their teams for quite a time now.

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Thought about Salah for a bit then went with Messi. As mentioned above they wouldn't be anywhere near Russia if it wasn't for him and the way he's literally carried them over the line. Ronaldo could have been on there but Portugal don't necessarily revolve around even if he'd like them to.

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I agree with @Devon Von Devon. Egypt were likely going to qualify with or without Salah, that doesn't take away the impact of them having a quality player on their team but they have other talent that is lower key such as Trezeguet and Sohbi. Also the players in the Egyptian league aren't bad, I am not an expert on that subject but I know as much as this: it is by 100 miles away the best league in Africa. So I'm expecting those to surprise me.

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In qualifying, I would have said Paolo Guerrero was one of the most influential, next to Messi. Now, I think we've learned to play without him and while we are no doubt weaker without him, we aren't a bad team if he's out. 

I think that Colombia have slightly relied on James Rodriguez too, but not enough to have him be on the list. 

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Really is no argument other than Messi at the moment. This Argentina squad are appalling without him and he's carried them for a good 3 years now. 

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In qualifying Salah scored 5 of Egypt's 8 goals. I know Argentina have been underperforming but if Messi is injured they replace him with Aguero, Dybala, Higuain etc. Who do Egypt replace Salah with? Mido?

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30 minutes ago, Marc said:

In qualifying Salah scored 5 of Egypt's 8 goals. I know Argentina have been underperforming but if Messi is injured they replace him with Aguero, Dybala, Higuain etc. Who do Egypt replace Salah with? Mido?

Except you can't really replace Messi's influence. Argentina's only goal scorer in 2017, was Messi. That just goes to show how pitiful they are without him given they couldn't beat, let alone score, against any team during qualifiers when Messi was absent. 

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Egypt can't replace Salah, but they have other players who can make an impact. Just like we can't replace Guerrero, but still haven't lost without him.

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48 minutes ago, Marc said:

In qualifying Salah scored 5 of Egypt's 8 goals. I know Argentina have been underperforming but if Messi is injured they replace him with Aguero, Dybala, Higuain etc. Who do Egypt replace Salah with? Mido?

They replace him with Dybala and Aguero? They are two notorious under-performers for Argentina, that is like saying England can rely on a midfield duo of Lampard and Gerrard because they are elite players. Then Higuian blows hot and cold for Argentina.    

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58 minutes ago, Cicero said:

Except you can't really replace Messi's influence. Argentina's only goal scorer in 2017, was Messi. That just goes to show how pitiful they are without him given they couldn't beat, let alone score, against any team during qualifiers when Messi was absent. 

 

37 minutes ago, Spike said:

They replace him with Dybala and Aguero? They are two notorious under-performers for Argentina, that is like saying England can rely on a midfield duo of Lampard and Gerrard because they are elite players. Then Higuian blows hot and cold for Argentina.    

I agree that they aren't going to be on par with Messi but Dybala/aguero or whoever is still a better replacement than whoever Egypt replace Salah with.

Aguero has something like a 1 in 2 ratio for argentina

 

According to the wiki squad list, Egypt have two other forwards in the squad apart from Salah, one plays for Al Ahly and the other for Al-Ittihad........

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Yeah, I'm surprised Messi is getting so many votes. Argentina is LOADED with talent. When your country has the leader striker in Italy and he can't get called up because of all the talent on the team, then that should mean something. 

Most influential player should come from a weak team that wouldn't be able to do what they have without one player. You take Messi away, and Argentina's odd to win don't diminish too much. If Salah has been hurt a year ago, then Egypt 'probably doesn't make the World Cup. Remember, This is only Egypt's 3rd trip, and 1st since 1990.

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4 minutes ago, Eco said:

Yeah, I'm surprised Messi is getting so many votes. Argentina is LOADED with talent. When your country has the leader striker in Italy and he can't get called up because of all the talent on the team, then that should mean something. 

Most influential player should come from a weak team that wouldn't be able to do what they have without one player. You take Messi away, and Argentina's odd to win don't diminish too much. If Salah has been hurt a year ago, then Egypt 'probably doesn't make the World Cup. Remember, This is only Egypt's 3rd trip, and 1st since 1990.

Yes they do, I'm afraid.

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7 minutes ago, Eco said:

Yeah, I'm surprised Messi is getting so many votes. Argentina is LOADED with talent. When your country has the leader striker in Italy and he can't get called up because of all the talent on the team, then that should mean something. 

Most influential player should come from a weak team that wouldn't be able to do what they have without one player. You take Messi away, and Argentina's odd to win don't diminish too much. If Salah has been hurt a year ago, then Egypt 'probably doesn't make the World Cup. Remember, This is only Egypt's 3rd trip, and 1st since 1990.

A.) You know full well that isn't the reason Icardi wasn't called up

B.)  Take away Messi and Argentina's odds don't diminish too much? Not trying to be rude, but are you actually taking the piss?

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29 minutes ago, Marc said:

 

I agree that they aren't going to be on par with Messi but Dybala/aguero or whoever is still a better replacement than whoever Egypt replace Salah with.

Aguero has something like a 1 in 2 ratio for argentina

 

According to the wiki squad list, Egypt have two other forwards in the squad apart from Salah, one plays for Al Ahly and the other for Al-Ittihad........

Aguero's ratio is irrelevant (did you know he has never scored at the WC?), otherwise you'd agree that Rooney is the greatest English footballer of all time that always delivered when it mattered, no? Stats are meaningless, Aguero is a posterchild of an Argentina generation that has failed to deliver on expectations. Romero, Mascherano, and Messi can't do everything, yet they usually have to.

Argentina are not coached well, the do not have a good culture surrounding national football, and their FA is beyond corrupt. Without Messi they wouldn't have even qualified for this tournament, or has everyone forgotten that Argentina were one game away from elimination in the qualifiers already?

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6 minutes ago, Cicero said:

A.) You know full well that isn't the reason Icardi wasn't called up

B.)  Take away Messi and Argentina's odds don't diminish too much? Not trying to be rude, but are you actually taking the piss?

A.) Regardless, if Argentina wasn't loaded with talent, he'd be called up. 

B.) So I did further research, and Argentina's record is horrendous without Messi, which doesn't make sense to me personally seeing as how they have Dybala, Higuain, Aguero, Di Maria, you have plenty of talent in that roster. 

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6 minutes ago, Spike said:

Aguero's ratio is irrelevant (did you know he has never scored at the WC?), otherwise you'd agree that Rooney is the greatest English footballer of all time that always delivered when it mattered, no? Stats are meaningless, Aguero is a posterchild of an Argentina generation that has failed to deliver on expectations. Romero, Mascherano, and Messi can't do everything, yet they usually have to.

Argentina are not coached well, the do not have a good culture surrounding national football, and their FA is beyond corrupt. Without Messi they wouldn't have even qualified for this tournament, or has everyone forgotten that Argentina were one game away from elimination in the qualifiers already?

This has to be the case. They have way too much talent for Messi to be on this list. 

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Argentina may be 'stacked' but look at their players throughout the last decade and a half.
Messi - prefers to play through the middle.
Tevez - prefers to play through the middle.
Aguero - prefers to play through the middle.
Icardi - prefers to play through the middle.
Milito - prefers to play through the middle.
Crespo - prefers to play through the middle.
Dybala - prefers to play through the middle.
Higuain - prefers to play through the middle.
Crespo - prefers to play through the middle.

Look at this talent that roughly occupy the same position in the pitch. That is enough to make anyone jealous but having nine players like that doesn't win anything does it? Argentina could have won in 2010 when they had elite talent outside of the central area (Messi was a RW at the time as well!) but the fat bastard did nothing to help that.

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Just now, Eco said:

This has to be the case. They have way too much talent for Messi to be on this list. 

@Eco There is more to the sport than the central forward position. 

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Just now, Spike said:

@Eco There is more to the sport than the central forward position. 

...I'm well aware of that. But a country with as much talent as Argentina has, should never have a player on this list. 

The most influential player, is typically a great player, from a small country with little to no talent. Bale would be the most influential player if Wales had made it, but I think Salah is Egypt's only reason for making the World Cup for the first time in almost 30 years. That's all I'm saying. 

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4 minutes ago, Spike said:

Aguero's ratio is irrelevant, otherwise you'd agree that Rooney is the greatest English footballer of all time that always delivered when it mattered, no? Stats are meaningless, Aguero is a posterchild of an Argentina generation that has failed to deliver on expectations. Romero, Mascherano, and Messi can't do everything, yet they usually have to.

Argentina are not coached well, the do not have a good culture surrounding national football, and their FA is beyond corrupt. Without Messi they wouldn't have even qualified for this tournament, or has everyone forgotten that Argentina were one game away from elimination in the qualifiers already?

How is a strikers goal scoring ratio irrelevant? It's not the whole picture but it's an important stat. Comparing goal scoring records in international football is irrelevant unless the players are from the same era, international football has changed a lot.

You've failed to acknowledge Salah's influence, do you now how far away they were from not qualifying? I've not doubt Messi is very influential, of course the second best player in the world is going to be very influential, i just think Salah (3rd best player in the world) is far more influential considering he would be replaced by nobodies. 

Salah has more goals for Egypt than everyone else in the squad put together. Sorry, goalscoing stats are irrelevant. 

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Just now, Eco said:

...I'm well aware of that. But a country with as much talent as Argentina has, should never have a player on this list. 

The most influential player, is typically a great player, from a small country with little to no talent. Bale would be the most influential player if Wales had made it, but I think Salah is Egypt's only reason for making the World Cup for the first time in almost 30 years. That's all I'm saying. 

What!? Messi's influence is beyond a shadow of a doubt! This is egregious, it is like saying Maradona wasn't influential for Argentina despite them having players like Ruggeri, Valdano, and Burruchega. Messi is the captain, the playmaker, the finisher, the glue and identity that holds this team together, the formation is built around him, the reliance on Messi is beyond ridiculous. When elite forwards like Higuain and Aguero rely on Messi more than he relies on them, it is telling.

I think you are conflating 'influence' with 'they are shit without'. Which the latter even applies to Argentina! Because quality of the team isn't equable to club football. If it were the case England would have quite a few World Cups by now; you can wax lyrical about how Scholes, Lampard, and Gerrard were at the same time three of the ten best midfielders in the world but as history has told, a team can't survive with elite talent stacked in one position, especially when they all play in similar styles (goal scorers, late runs in the box, long-distance hollywood passing).

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7 minutes ago, Marc said:

How is a strikers goal scoring ratio irrelevant?

Because ratio means nothing. It's an arbitrary stat used by people that can't see the forest for the trees. 0 of Aguero's goals for Argentina have been in the world cup. 3 of his 37 goals have been point winners in the Copa America, none in knock-out-rounds. There you go Marc, a little context to prove that ratio is ultimately nothing but a hollow shadow. http://www.rsssf.com/miscellaneous/aguero-intlg.html

7 minutes ago, Marc said:

Comparing goal scoring records in international football is irrelevant unless the players are from the same era, international football has changed a lot

Nobody has said anything close to this.

 

7 minutes ago, Marc said:

You've failed to acknowledge Salah's influence, do you now how far away they were from not qualifying? I've not doubt Messi is very influential, of course the second best player in the world is going to be very influential, i just think Salah (3rd best player in the world) is far more influential considering he would be replaced by nobodies. 

Because I'm not talking about Salah, you are. I'm talking about Argentina. xD

7 minutes ago, Marc said:

Sorry, goalscoing stats are irrelevant. 

Yep

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