The Big Middle Eastern Thread

[6666]

The US vetoes the UN security council vote on a ceasefire. No surprise there.

A ceasefire should obviously happen but it's the bare minimum. Unfortunately there will never be  anywhere near a satisfactory step towards justice for the crimes Israel has committed over the decades.

[Stan]

14 hours ago, 6666 said:

The US vetoes the UN security council vote on a ceasefire. No surprise there.

A ceasefire should obviously happen but it's the bare minimum. Unfortunately there will never be  anywhere near a satisfactory step towards justice for the crimes Israel has committed over the decades.

And UK abstained. Both so far up Israel's arse.

Shame.

[6666]

The more you find out about the UN security council, the more you find out how ridiculously it's set up.

The 5 members with veto power are UK, USA, France, Russia, and China. UK & France rarely veto as they only want to secretly be cunts. The other 3 can't stop vetoing. Their interests aren't aligned and they don't necessarily care about people dying in order to protect those interests and that seems to always get in the way of their peace keeping.

5 countries who don't have the best history in international politics either so of course they want to be viewed as the judges of international politics. Best way to get away with everything.

It also says a lot about how bad guys are the only ones that can keep other bad guys in check in international politics. These countries being experienced war criminals is why they were able to beat Nazi & friends.

[Harry]

Yeah I have to admit, the UN might well do something useful if there's a fracas between a couple of smaller countries in Africa, but when it comes to bigger conflicts it seems to be in a worse state of gridlock than the US Congress, and that's saying something

[Azeem]

The SC five is a 'We won WW2' club. Germany can economically surpass China and military Russia but never will be given a permanent seat. 

The original candidate for the fifth member was Brazil but Russia China objected it being close to US and possibly be influenced by it. So they agreed to have a fifth member which mostly will be silent and gets along with really no one so they picked France.

That's why you occasionally see France taking a different stance to US. Not joining Iraq war, recently clashing with them over submarines to Australia etc

The question is, is it genuine or an act given to them ?

[MUFC]

 

[Azeem]

3 hours ago, MUFC said:

 

Some of them are lowering their prices and offering discounts. Lesson for dumb masses for future instead of bitching about prices they can mitigate them by organize boycott.

[Azeem]

American Evangelicals are proselytizing this idea everywhere that Israel is the biblical Israel and those who honor Israel will be blessed, Jews come back Jesus come back etc Even Japanese Korean Evangelical Christians were signing bombs to be dropped on Gaza. The irony of Japanese doing that 

This theology is called Dispensationalism and is rooted in the writings of John Nelson Darby. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dispensationalism

But this theology really kicked off by a guy name C.I Scofield whose annotated Bible, Scofield Reference Bible, popularized the idea in U.S that creation of Israel and Jews coming back to build the Temple is necessary for Jesus to come back. After which he will give them (Jews) a final chance to believe in him otherwise...

Scofield used Doctor of Divinity along with his name but no seminary in U.S has his name in his records. He was allegedly very close to a hardcore Zionist lawyer in New York who funded his career. The biography on his life discusses this in detail. 

[Dr. Gonzo]

It's mental to see how radicalised people have become on reddit over this conflict. Pro-Israelis justifying absolutely insane genocidal rhetoric that would make the Nazis proud, pro-Palestinians that seem like they would be mortally wounded if they had to admit that what happened on October 7th was a barbaric act of terrorism.

Social media really brought about the death of nuance in discourse in a way I never would have imagined.

[Azeem]

4 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

It's mental to see how radicalised people have become on reddit over this conflict. Pro-Israelis justifying absolutely insane genocidal rhetoric that would make the Nazis proud, pro-Palestinians that seem like they would be mortally wounded if they had to admit that what happened on October 7th was a barbaric act of terrorism.

Social media really brought about the death of nuance in discourse in a way I never would have imagined.

Same energy

[Spike]

11 hours ago, Beelzebub said:

Same energy

 

What the fuck is that shit

[Dr. Gonzo]

2 hours ago, Spike said:

What the fuck is that shit

Some shit that was spread around the Armenian community in Glendale to try to get Armenians to hate Jews.

[Spike]

4 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Some shit that was spread around the Armenian community in Glendale to try to get Armenians to hate Jews.

I’ll ask my friend from Glendale.

[Dr. Gonzo]

1 hour ago, Spike said:

I’ll ask my friend from Glendale.

I like how it's just signed "Rabbi"  - I wonder if it worked in spreading hate. It seems like it would only work on the very stupid.

[Spike]

4 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I like how it's just signed "Rabbi"  - I wonder if it worked in spreading hate. It seems like it would only work on the very stupid.

Don’t you know The Rabbi is in cahoots with The Ayatollah

[Azeem]

According to Israeli press nearly 20% of IDF death toll was due to friendly fire.

Happens when you are just used to shooting point black at checkpoints. It builds in the muscle memory. 

[Redcanuck]

10 hours ago, Beelzebub said:

According to Israeli press nearly 20% of IDF death toll was due to friendly fire.

Happens when you are just used to shooting point black at checkpoints. It builds in the muscle memory. 

I hadn't heard that for this conflict but  historically that figure would not be unusual.   16 % of WWII deaths are thought to be due to friendly fire and it has been said that 23% of the US deaths in Desert Storm were due to friendly fire.  I have also heard that 1/3  of the  Arab civilian deaths in wars against israel are traditional due to friendly fire by Hamas or Hezbollah and their allies.

[Azeem]

25 minutes ago, Redcanuck said:

I hadn't heard that for this conflict but  historically that figure would not be unusual.   16 % of WWII deaths are thought to be due to friendly fire and it has been said that 23% of the US deaths in Desert Storm were due to friendly fire.  I have also heard that 1/3  of the  Arab civilian deaths in wars against israel are traditional due to friendly fire by Hamas or Hezbollah and their allies.

That makes wars look even more stupid. 

[Azeem]

The eschatological element can't be ignored. Nethanyahu in 80s was told by the Rebbe that he would be the last PM of Israel to pass the realm to the Messiah. One faction in U.S is also unconditionally supporting Israel purely out of eschatological reasons I've mentioned above. 

IDF soldiers are wearing patches of the Third Temple in this operation.

 

[OrangeKhrush]

it was a wild week in the realm of political moral washing.  It is always nice to get perspectives from people that were once devout Muslims or rejected Islam to be athiest.

Occasionally Gonzo is able to step out of the pale of political grandstanding but the rest is just blinkered denial of the issues on the other side.  you got one person posting what would ordinarily be called some Qanon conspiracy theory from absolutely nothing of substance in an age where images can be edited.   

while that whole piers Morgan show was frankly cringe, the hosts were unapologetic and show how entrenched jihad is within society.

AP then goes through actually Hamas tweets which confirm they are only concerned with their mission and civilians do not matter to them and have stopped people fleeing to be martyrs for their cause.

the war is coming to its close, thousands of militants surrendering, many have died and the hiarchy that fled to Qatar are now fleeing again in fear of Mossad finding them.   Gaza is now Germany prior to the end, a few zealots fighting for a dead cause.   

From the border (israel/gaza) to the sea, Gaza will be Hamas free is a slogan I can get behind.

 

[Stan]

4 minutes ago, OrangeKhrush said:

show how entrenched jihad is within society.

 

Has Tommy Robinson logged in to your account?

[OrangeKhrush]

21 hours ago, Beelzebub said:

The eschatological element can't be ignored. Nethanyahu in 80s was told by the Rebbe that he would be the last PM of Israel to pass the realm to the Messiah. One faction in U.S is also unconditionally supporting Israel purely out of eschatological reasons I've mentioned above. 

IDF soldiers are wearing patches of the Third Temple in this operation.

 

Kahanism is deemed a terrorist group and banned from the political sphere.  About 99.9% of Israelis reject it, ergo Netenyahus last stand.   

like all European states with remnants of neo fascists, it's a minority that hold no political power.  from family in Israel, Netenyahu's public opinion is very low, take Joe Biden and add a lot worse.

[OrangeKhrush]

1 minute ago, Stan said:

 

Has Tommy Robinson logged in to your account?

it's hard to deny when jihad is called on the streets of London.   The thought of such a thing in a "Christian" state is itself concerning.  

 

[Stan]

6 minutes ago, OrangeKhrush said:

it's hard to deny when jihad is called on the streets of London

When and where?

[Azeem]

Houthis have seized another ship. No one in the region wants to take them on. U.S wants Gulf states to take the initiative but they know Houthis will target their oil facilities then.