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explains a lot tbf

We're technically not herbivores either, considering we can't digest cellulose ... Within biology, humans are regarded as omnivores, and rightly so - we've been scavengers from the early days as we have the capability to digest both plant and animal matter. Today it's perfectly possible to live healthy on a completely vegan diet in a developed country if one makes sure to get all nutrients from alternative sources (especially B12 since we can't acquire it from non-animal sources), but we're not biological plant-only (or meat-only) eaters. As for factory farming, it's horrible because of the drive to maximise output by minimising the costs, thus resulting in horrible living conditions and administering drugs to stimulate aberrant growth. It's nasty af, both in regards to animals and the health of the consumer.

Many humans have painful and deprived lives that would be improved if they had the luxury to afford animal products. What you're saying makes no sense. Are you saying that animals don't live in luxury or that ease of access to animal products isn't indicative of a luxurious and decadent society and/or culture? Humans come before animals, always (well of course there are exceptions), you cannot ethically tell a person with hunger pangs that they need to take better care of their animals when they themselves probably live an equally brutal life. When a culture or society has advanced to the point where animal welfare is a serious consideration then it's a culture that has advanced beyond the need for animal products; as it has become a luxury; not a necessity for survival. The squalid conditions of animal farming is due to the decadent nature of many nations. High animal yield is due to high crop yield, only societies with food to spare have high meat based diets, which is most western nations. Which leads to the self-actualisation of animal morality, only when the need for our own survival is removed do we care for the survival and treatment of animals.The ethics of treating animals correctly doesn't exist in a Moroccan goat-herding village. Choice is a luxury, we can choose to eat meat, or not to and live a healthy productive life. Most people don't have that choice.

Wow ! You people from first world countries debate on such luxurious issues

Why should a dog's life be equal to a pig's? My life isn't equal to yours and the applies for every human. How can you arbitrarily apply value to a life? If all are equal as species then the dog that mauls children to death has equal value to pet turtle that lives in it's shell; if one has privilege to life so does the other. Animals have, will and do eat humans. The alien hypothetical is pointless as nature has shown the law of survival of the fittest.

Pft. Too scared to fight cats.

Poor wild dogs Alligators are incredible survivors too:

Pretty much this for me. Got no problems if they want to be a veggie or a vegan, but the smug attitude pisses me off. Hell, they kicked off because the new five and ten pound notes contain the tiniest trace of tallow on them.

I'm saying animals we eat generally live deprived and cruel lives, and that not wanting to contribute towards that is not a luxury. Theres a difference between simply killing an animal for food and doing what the food industry does.

Animal cruelty not a luxury? Animal products are the most caloric dense foods outside of grains available to many people. A Filipino family can feed ducks in limited areas scraps and then use the fertilised eggs for greater nourishment than what was feed to the ducks; especially as the yield would be higher in tight confines than any sort of crop. A human doesn't need animal products, but for the most part they are reason why many people aren't dead or malnourished. For millions having animals they can be 'cruel' to is a luxury beyond imagination. Even in largely vegetarian societies like India bovine products are a necessity, from ghee to milk. In China where they literally eat anything that has a pulse meat is seen as great social status.

What are vegan's stances on taking dick or licking vagina? that is animal use?

If Vegans had their way people in many countries would die. Imagine trying to live entirely on a plant based diet in Finland during the winter. What would a person eat? Pine needles?

Got to love crocodiles, nothing is fucking with them.