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Never heard any Liverpool fan say 'it's our year', it's a recycled myth. Would rather Everton do well than Liverpool but a strong Liverpool is good for the city, good to see Liverpool finally punching their weight in the transfer market. Only Manchester United are a bigger club in this country and they are one of the elite clubs in world football.

What a tedious debate

Manchester United are England's biggest club, for a whole variety of reasons but they always have been. Even in the 70s they were drawing huge crowds, the biggest. They have a pull beyond any other, the Munich disaster pulled the whole country behind them and there is an undeniable romance about them. Liverpool, are the only English club in the same stratosphere as them though, the only club who deserves the title as 'one of the biggest clubs in the world' in England. Liverpool have gone 30 years without a league title, yet they still generate more press attention than Arsenal, Man City, Chelsea...they're just a significantly bigger club. Liverpol have always been a step behind the modern game though, but now they look they're rectifying things a little bit.

The only significant measure by which I can put Liverpool ahead of Manchester United is that they've won more European Cups. I wonder if @SirBalon wants to apply the same logic to which club is bigger out of Barcelona and Real Madrid?

Forget all the nonsense that is marketing and Premier League product selling. Make no mistake, Liverpool are the biggest club in England for all sorts of reasons by a massive margin and I mean massive!

Liverpool fans have learnt never to say it's our year. They probably never did apart from a few token whoppers. The 'it could be Liverpools year' originated from the media unless I'm misremembering. Several years in a row you'd get a Sky pundit writing a column on the website or tipping them for a title challenge on Soccer Saturday only for them to end up nowhere near. It's possible that Phil Thompson was the main culprit so it ended up getting associated with Liverpool fans themselves, it's been a while though. Also it's quite clear that when rival fans use it to poke fun at Liverpool it's an obvious joke and not a genuine accusation that Liverpool fans think they're going to win the league every season.

The expression "to be packed like sardines" exists in several languages. I know for certain that it exists in french and spanish...there were more but I don't remember them.

Might be better off spitting.

Who would have thought asking the simple question of "can Liverpool be accused of trying to buy success" would create so much squirming n wriggling from their deluded army of fans? Appreciate those other non Liverpool fans for pointing out the non acceptance of the proof I posted of Klopp already spent, the never ending transfer fee of Coutinho, by their deluded masses, but I think we are wasting our time trying to get an answer n it's time to leave this make-believe thread . Just sowing the seed!

The net spend argument is flawed because it doesn’t take into account signing on fees and wages. It’s fag packet maths by idiots. If you sell Coutinho for 105m and then buy 5 players with the ‘Coutinho money’ you pay signing on fees and wages for 5 players but only get one off your books. 100k/week is an extra 5m a year and probably a 4 year contract, signing on fees also? Fuck knows but probably a couple of million each player. Also, which really annoys me but most transfers we don’t know the actual fee. The media report the highest number to make it sound more sensational. For example wasn't coutinho reported as around 146m but it was also reported as. 105m rising to 146m? We don’t know what them clauses are and if they have or will be met.

The net spend argument shouldn't be discounted. It is better and more impressive to have spent big money but also sell your best players to generate that money, than it is to have that much money to spend every summer without having to sell key players. The net spend argument has always been a controversial one but in this case it's fair enough to bring up the fact that yes Klopp has spent big money but selling key parts of his squad which is a disadvantage has allowed him to do that until this window.

I'm not sure what the point of this post is, apart from backing up what Liverpool fans are saying. Liverpool are not a sugar daddy club being doped by an oil baron like Chelsea and Manchester City, so there is a difference between how the spending is perceived and rightly so. Of course Klopp will be judged on his signings but they have had to sacrifice to make them.

Liverpool still spending the ‘Coutinho money’. 20 years time they’ll still be rolling that one out

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I don't rate Mr in his arguments most of the time but those are hard figures he's laid out and if you refuse to either dispute his argument/sources or accept that he has a point then Au Revoir to your credibility.

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