Newcastle United Discussion

[LFCMadLad]

1 minute ago, Cicero said:

Allison, VVD, Salah, Fabinho, and Keita doesn't happen if PSG didn't buy Neymar. To which the likes of Diaz and Konate wouldn't happen given the money you attributed to the success of having Allison, VVD, Salah, Fabinho, and Keita. 

You've benefited quite handsomely from the sheer thing you've made no secrete to hate. 

There is clutching,.... and there's clutching. 

[Dr. Gonzo]

4 minutes ago, Cicero said:

You do realise your success under Klopp is down to the sheer existence of the very oil clubs you dislike, right?

Is it? It seems like without them we'd be enjoying probably our best time in history since the 80s.

We've got to keep pace with City funded by Abu Dhabi's GDP & now the untold wealth of the Saudis. The way FSG have built us is more by copying what United did well regarding the commercialisation of football, while trying to keep the club as debt free as possible (which is a big difference to how the Glazers operate United), changing our entire recruitment philosophy with "less traditional" approaches and more reliance on stats and analytics, and bringing in Klopp and his backroom staff.

Sure Pep through the gauntlet down and Klopp responded by throwing his own gauntlet down... but I don't think it's really right to say we're only doing well because of the sheer existence of these shitbags and their sports washing.

[Cicero]

2 minutes ago, LFCMadLad said:

There is clutching,.... and there's clutching. 

Not really. You've bemoaned constantly from the existence of these oil clubs yet have no issue benefitting from the existence of these oil clubs. 

4 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Is it? It seems like without them we'd be enjoying probably our best time in history since the 80s.

We've got to keep pace with City funded by Abu Dhabi's GDP & now the untold wealth of the Saudis. The way FSG have built us is more by copying what United did well regarding the commercialisation of football, while trying to keep the club as debt free as possible (which is a big difference to how the Glazers operate United), changing our entire recruitment philosophy with "less traditional" approaches and more reliance on stats and analytics, and bringing in Klopp and his backroom staff.

Sure Pep through the gauntlet down and Klopp responded by throwing his own gauntlet down... but I don't think it's really right to say we're only doing well because of the sheer existence of these shitbags and their sports washing.

What FSG and Klopp have done is a model virtually any self sustaining club should aspire to. (not sure how your youth academy operates). 

My point is that any fan has the right to scoff at and bemoan the financial doping at clubs, but the "dirty" money is just too entrenched in the game now to claim any moral superiority. Again, you are witnessing your greatest since the 80s because an oil club bought Neymar. 

[Dr. Gonzo]

11 minutes ago, Cicero said:

My point is that any fan has the right to scoff at and bemoan the financial doping at clubs, but the "dirty" money is just too entrenched in the game now to claim any moral superiority. Again, you are witnessing your greatest since the 80s because an oil club bought Neymar. 

Nah, not really. That's just what the people who pay billions for these sides want people to think as they fuck up the transfer market by throwing insane amounts of cash around. That's how sports washing works. "Ignore the numerous human rights abuses, like slavery, torture, the spread of wahhabi extremism, etc... because some dickhead at PSG bought a player from Barcelona which caused Coutinho to get sold, which caused you to make some good signings." Nah... I don't want to ignore all of that.

I don't think anyone should ignore the dirty money in football. I think more people should be asking questions like: "why was some dirty money okay for a bit... until it was too politically difficult to ignore; while other dirty money remains fine?"

Why did nobody care about dirty Russian money until the Ukraine invasion (which wasn't even Russia's first invasion of Ukraine this century lol) in our football (and more importantly... our politics) - why does nobody care about Saudi/UAE money despite the brutal conflict in Yemen and their involvement in the spread of wahhabi extremism worldwide?

It's good to want our society to have moral superiority to where it is now, humanity should always be striving to improve. But it's important to consistently uphold ideals - not just ignore some while it is convenient to, but express outrage when society deems it is acceptable to.

It's more a political point than anything about football. And for some people, they "don't like to see football and politics mix" - but imo football and politics have always been mixed.

[Cicero]

11 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Nah, not really. That's just what the people who pay billions for these sides want people to think as they fuck up the transfer market by throwing insane amounts of cash around. That's how sports washing works. "Ignore the numerous human rights abuses, like slavery, torture, the spread of wahhabi extremism, etc... because some dickhead at PSG bought a player from Barcelona which caused Coutinho to get sold, which caused you to make some good signings." Nah... I don't want to ignore all of that.

 

But this is exactly my point. Do you condemn everything you've achieved as a club under Klopp when you've benefited from the existence of these oil clubs? 

 

[Dr. Gonzo]

3 minutes ago, Cicero said:

But this is exactly my point. Do you condemn everything you've achieved as a club under Klopp when you've benefited from the existence of these oil clubs? 

But we haven't benefitted from the existence of these clubs? They make football worse for every other club while also simultaneously making the planet a worse people for the people who's human rights they abuse but get the west to turn a blind eye to it.

Top flight football has long been a playground for billionaires who want their teams to be good as a way of compensating for whats in their pants, but the oil clubs and added commercialisation have just served as a way to further remove clubs from the communities they represent.

[Cicero]

1 minute ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

But we haven't benefitted from the existence of these clubs? They make football worse for every other club while also simultaneously making the planet a worse people for the people who's human rights they abuse but get the west to turn a blind eye to it.

Are you buying Allison, VVD, Keita, Fabinho, Salah, Diaz, Konate, Thiago, Jota, etc if PSG doesn't buy Neymar? You've spent wisely there's no denying that but this ability to break the transfer market at the time for a GK and CB wouldn't of happened unless PSG starts the domino effect. Success came which granted you more funds to bring in Jota, Konate, Thiago, and Konate. 

[Dr. Gonzo]

1 minute ago, Cicero said:

Are you buying Allison, VVD, Keita, Fabinho, Salah, Diaz, Konate, Thiago, Jota, etc if PSG doesn't buy Neymar? You've spent wisely there's no denying that but this ability to break the transfer market at the time for a GK and CB wouldn't of happened unless PSG starts the domino effect. Success came which granted you more funds to bring in Jota, Konate, Thiago, and Konate. 

We signed some of them before PSG bought Neymar?

We can go back even further, tbh. Would we have gone on a 30 year title drought if not for the breakaway foundation of the Premier League? Maybe, maybe not... maybe United would not have established that period of financial dominance as we were navigating life after King Kenny left and Souness destroying the foundation of his side so he could "leave his stamp on it" had football not sold it's soul in the same way.

It's not like PSG was the beginning of football selling it's soul. Especially when you consider what the English clubs did in the 90s to fuck over the football league to chase the cash.

[OrangeKhrush]

59 minutes ago, LFCMadLad said:

I'd say our success is down to the  sheer brilliance of Klopp himself and his backroom staff.

Thanks for the fanboism,  we get it Klopp is the man and every club that isn't Liverpool sucks

[LFCMadLad]

8 minutes ago, OrangeKhrush said:

Thanks for the fanboism,  we get it Klopp is the man and every club that isn't Liverpool sucks

I never said that! There are plenty of managers that have done or are doing tremendous jobs with football clubs (Eddie Howe for example)

All I'm doing is stating the truth. Klopp and his backroom staff are doing an amazing job. Anyone who says different haven't got a brain. 

Edited May 16, 2022 by LFCMadLad

[OrangeKhrush]

1 minute ago, LFCMadLad said:

I never said that! There are plenty of managers that have done or are doing tremendous jobs with football clubs.

All I'm doing is stating the truth. Klopp and his backroom staff are doing an amazing job. Anyone who says different haven't got a brain. 

Again nobody said that,  and our direction is to try go that route.   The fact we have money and ownership interested in taking the club and town forward is not a crime,  anyone in the same situation will do exactly the same.  For the first time in a long time there is optimism to realise a brighter future. 

[LFCMadLad]

Just now, OrangeKhrush said:

Again nobody said that,  and our direction is to try go that route.   The fact we have money and ownership interested in taking the club and town forward is not a crime,  anyone in the same situation will do exactly the same.  For the first time in a long time there is optimism to realise a brighter future. 

And if any club deserve a brighter future after Mike fucking Ashley, it's Newcastle!

 

[OrangeKhrush]

1 minute ago, LFCMadLad said:

And if any club deserve a brighter future after Mike fucking Ashley, it's Newcastle!

 

It was a soul sucking leach.   The only off season optimism was finding the next cheap free agent, or signing one player when we needed 3-4 players in.    

Now we are linked to Danjuma, Paqueta, Sangare, Hojbjerg, Botman, Bandishile etc,  obviously we wont get them all but its much better than the last day signings by Mike Ashley. 

[OrangeKhrush]

---------------------Dragowski---------------------  

 

Trippier-----Gomez------Burn-----Hickey

 

---------------Sangare----Bruno-----------------

 

ASM--------------Paqueta----------Danjuma

 

----------------------Wilson-------------------------

 

Squad: Debravka, Gillespie, Schar, Lacelles, Krafth, Dummett(resigned for 1 year), Shelvey, Willock, Joelinton, Fraser, Murphy, Wood, Elliot Anderson (loan until January)

In: Gomez, Hickey, Dragowski, Paqueta, Sangare, Danjuma

Out: Almiron, Lewis, Gayle, Ritchie, Hendrick, S.Longstaff (Free), Manquillo, Darlow, Woodman

That would be a good summer.

 

Edited May 16, 2022 by OrangeKhrush

[OrangeKhrush]

Great pic of Elliot Anderson returning to the senior squad training after taking Bristol Rovers from 15th to promotion to league one. 

[Stan]

Dodgy dealings involving Tories and Saudis?! Surely not?! 

Ironic Newcastle fans are piping up about potential points deduction for Everton. Should probably get your own house in order... 

[Honey Honey]

On the surface, to be expected that information wouldn't be shared discussing vision 2030 privately. You'd expect that from any government. It's not the first refusal on the takeover and it won't be the last. That doesn't make something a "cover up" of illicit activity but in this age of conspiracy the most nefarious possibility is automatically assumed. 

You don't need an FOI to know the takeover is the strategic will of the state.

[OrangeKhrush]

2 hours ago, Stan said:

Dodgy dealings involving Tories and Saudis?! Surely not?! 

Ironic Newcastle fans are piping up about potential points deduction for Everton. Should probably get your own house in order... 

we still believing anything in the media.  the common stance in today's times is to politicize something so as to use it as a political campaign.   

government should never be involved in private ownership and neither should the premier league.  it is amazing that nobody complains about the 47 other interests the Saudi government is invested in.

our house is in order it is everyone else that needs to cope.   the Everton situation is about rule breaches.   they started the season with at least 120m over the FFP limit.

[Stan]

20 minutes ago, OrangeKhrush said:

we still believing anything in the media

Don't you believe all transfer rumours involving Newcastle since January

 

[OrangeKhrush]

6 minutes ago, Stan said:

Don't you believe all transfer rumours involving Newcastle since January

 

nope, i just post them as rumours.

[OrangeKhrush]

Many pundits and vloggers have said we should adopt a strict approach to how we build the team in the off season and that means making hard decisions.   We had a end of season review on one of the YT vlogs with active fan chat and it looks like we want to change from a 4-3-3 to a 4-2-3-1.    One of the hard approaches was finding a new DMer this offseason which will bump Joelinton to the bench,   is that to harsh?

Joelinton can fill a number of roles but he would work well in the double pivot with Bruno,  should we save the money on a DM and go with Joelinton and Bruno backed up by Longstaff and Shelvey and put the money to where it is needed,  a left footed RW,  a no 10 and CB?

[ScoRoss]

Brighton have confirmed Dan Ashworth is joining. Wouldn't be farfetched to think that they'll have an agreement about no further staff or players are to follow him there.

[OrangeKhrush]

17 hours ago, ScoRoss said:

Brighton have confirmed Dan Ashworth is joining. Wouldn't be farfetched to think that they'll have an agreement about no further staff or players are to follow him there.

hard to make that work as freedom of movement is allowed.   i believe there will be a lotof non disclosures though particularly anything to do with his knowlege of Brightons plans.    

that said for how long as in novemeber he would have left them when his deal was up.   given his position there is inherently things known

[Dr. Gonzo]

21 hours ago, ScoRoss said:

Brighton have confirmed Dan Ashworth is joining. Wouldn't be farfetched to think that they'll have an agreement about no further staff or players are to follow him there.

I don’t think that’s legal? They might have an agreement though that if Newcastle go after any more staff they’ll have to pay an additional fee, though.

[OrangeKhrush]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/steve-bruce-newcastle-united-takeover-27158550

 

Cabbage head managed to take West Brom from 5th to 10th.   I take it personally that he thinks he can manage a football team.