George Floyd Death - Derek Chauvin Guilty of Murder

[Spike]

2 minutes ago, MUFC said:

Your rock flipped first. 

Fight fire with fire.

 

I don’t know what type of abstraction of time and causality you subscribe to but ‘fucking prick’ definitely came first. 

 

[MUFC]

1 minute ago, Spike said:

I don’t know what type of abstraction of time and causality you subscribe to but ‘fucking prick’ definitely came first. 

 

Once somebody swears during a debate, the first to swear is using an act of aggression. So it was all initiated by you. In a face to face debate, that tone usually comes with an aggression response or a punch-up. 

[Carnivore Chris]

20 minutes ago, Stan said:

I agree. The Dutch culture is quite laid back and you definitely feel this when you're there.

Spanish police just have that look of 'do not fucking piss me off today or you will know about it' . You really don't want to cross them at all.

 

Yeah, not just the Guardia Civil, but the Policía nacional.

I bet police from the likes of Sweden will be similar to the Dutch as well.

[Cicero]

12 hours ago, Danny said:

Really? Not racially motivated? Not part of a wider issue of systemic racism within America against black people? Black men aren’t more likely to be shot? Black people originally looked at as slaves and subhuman, then looked at as criminals and not deserving of the same civil rights, generations of families living in poverty, generations targeted by government, the police, KKK...black people consistently represented as law breakers and dangerous, this has nothing to do with why black men are more likely to be shot by police then whites?

The entire world is looking at this as another black man murdered by the police, protests up and down the US, Black Lives Matter, and you’re trying to play around with numbers to whitewash what’s happened? This is straight out of the same basket as Kel’s holocaust denial.

Please show me proof Derek Chauvin killed George Floyd because we was black. 

You obviously haven't read my posts. 

8 hours ago, Spike said:

Correct me if I am wrong @Cicero but I don’t think you meant it as ‘this wasn’t racially motivated’ but ‘it is unproven so far’?

That's exactly what I'm saying. There's more evidence to suggest Derek Chauvin killed George Floyd because of incompetence vs because he was black. I've seen nothing to suggest the latter. 

 

6 hours ago, Harvsky said:

Why are you so desperate to pick out and play on the flaws of individuals in a black movement? Of everything in this episode you could choose to spend your limited keyboard time expressing why do you choose this?

Because how does this actually help progression? Enlighten me. 

When any time a white officer does anything to a black man, the automatic narrative was that it was racially motivated. When you have thousands of celebrities and athletes, or anyone with a platform, claiming this was an act of racism (with zero evidence to support this) and the bloody democratic presidential candidate saying black people aren't safe to walk the streets, they are only prolonging the oppressed mindset suffered by black Americans and enhancing the racial divide. 

6 hours ago, DeadLinesman said:

Is this actually true though? I’ve seen various graphs/charts that Caucasian death by police is actually far higher?

It is higher. The death rate and crime rate among the black population is higher however. 

 

2 hours ago, Danny said:

No I said denying that this is racially motivated and part of a wider issue of systemic police/societal brutality against black men was from the same basket as denying the Holocaust, I.e. denying a  systemic form of oppression that is quite clearly happening.

His posts at that point were a mixture of trying to deny police brutality on black people, putting it down to they commit crime, they get shot, and claiming a black man in America is desperate for this to be racially motivated because George Floyd is black, when quite clearly black people would be desperate to live in a world where they aren’t mistreated because of their skin. That sends alarm bells ringing, anyone who isn’t angry but what’s happening quite frankly has a problem.

If he’s not denying that this is racially charged and part of a wider system of oppression onto black people then I’m happy to be wrong and apologise, but it doesn’t come across that way.

Virtually my first post on the matter was that police brutality has been an issue in America since the 1950s. 

 

[Dr. Gonzo]

I hope there isn’t a repeat of last night tonight. Hardly got any sleep and woke up with a migraine, so today’s basically a useless day for me

[Spike]

2 hours ago, MUFC said:

Once somebody swears during a debate, the first to swear is using an act of aggression. So it was all initiated by you. In a face to face debate, that tone usually comes with an aggression response or a punch-up. 

we weren’t debating

[Dr. Gonzo]

3 hours ago, Inverted said:

The biggest thing that people don't understand is that if you are waiting for a protest movement which is perfectly behaved and has a coherent set of demands and beliefs, you will spend your entire life waiting. 

Demanding that a protest meet those criteria is one and the same as accepting the status quo carrying on indefinitely. 

We are fooled by the illusion that there are past examples which should be emulated. The Civil Rights Movement in the 1960s was seen as a violent wave of trouble-makers stirred up by communists, and was despised by most whites. 

The very same type of people who would have opposed it at the time, now use a mythologised, whitewashed memory of the Civil Rights Movement to say to protestors now "why can't you be more like them?". 

Tbh, at least by the looks of the protesting and the looting in San Diego, I’m not convinced it’s the same 2 groups of people. The daytime protest yesterday was massive, coordinated and organised... and notably peaceful until SDPD fired teargas and pepper spray. It’s unclear why they did that, it looks like the worst people were doing was dancing. But the daytime protests only got as bad as stones thrown at cops after cops fired tear gas.

The riots last night was smaller groups going mental in various parts of the downtown area. And unfortunately they didn’t just go after businesses, there were a few home invasions. But the video footage makes it look like a group of teens, and mostly young adults.

Seen some clips too of protestors fighting looters off and protecting a supermarket worker (at the place I buy my groceries from, so seeing a familiar face in apparent danger due to this was a bit shocking).

Last night was on of the more mental nights of my life tbh. Never lived through anything like that.

[Carnivore Chris]

2 hours ago, Azeem said:

I wonder if it's something to do with their training and build up 

It will be. It'll be ingrained into them.

[Danny]

1 hour ago, Cicero said:

Please show me proof Derek Chauvin killed George Floyd because we was black. 

You obviously haven't read my posts. 

That's exactly what I'm saying. There's more evidence to suggest Derek Chauvin killed George Floyd because of incompetence vs because he was black. I've seen nothing to suggest the latter. 

 

Because how does this actually help progression? Enlighten me. 

When any time a white officer does anything to a black man, the automatic narrative was that it was racially motivated. When you have thousands of celebrities and athletes, or anyone with a platform, claiming this was an act of racism (with zero evidence to support this) and the bloody democratic presidential candidate saying black people aren't safe to walk the streets, they are only prolonging the oppressed mindset suffered by black Americans and enhancing the racial divide. 

It is higher. The death rate and crime rate among the black population is higher however. 

 

Virtually my first post on the matter was that police brutality has been an issue in America since the 1950s. 

 

It’s systemic, he acted on behalf of the system, a police officer choking out a man who is led on his belly, handcuffed, not resisting arrest, unable to resist if he wanted to, 3 other cops alongside to help, is carrying out systemic police brutality on a black man. It is exactly because he was black because that is how the system works.

[Stan]

Just seen some videos of police (in America) smashing up windows of shops and even one jumping on their own police car trying to break the windshield. All with other police officers just standing and watching

[Cicero]

1 minute ago, Danny said:

It’s systemic, he acted on behalf of the system, a police officer choking out a man who is led on his belly, handcuffed, not resisting arrest, unable to resist if he wanted to, 3 other cops alongside to help, is carrying out systemic police brutality on a black man. It is exactly because he was black because that is how the system works.

But how does that prove this is more than merely police incompetence? 

What if the oriental cop was the one that killed Floyd? Or the other two mixed race cops? Would it then just be an act of police incompetence or did they kill him because they were racist also? 

 

[Smiley Culture]

The very idea that violent protests and looting is going to change the behaviour towards black men is utterly bemusing. It’s just going to further fuel stereotypes and division. And no doubt some of the businesses damaged and looted are those belonging to black proprietors, do those black lives not matter? 

There’s a way to protest and this way isn’t it. I think there could be a lot more creativity than the silent protests but turning to looting isn’t the right way. 

[Spike]

5 minutes ago, Smiley Culture said:

The very idea that violent protests and looting is going to change the behaviour towards black men is utterly bemusing. It’s just going to further fuel stereotypes and division. And no doubt some of the businesses damaged and looted are those belonging to black proprietors, do those black lives not matter? 

There’s a way to protest and this way isn’t it. I think there could be a lot more creativity than the silent protests but turning to looting isn’t the right way. 

Chances are the people actually protesting aren't the people going mental for the looting and destruction of property. Some people like the chaos.

[MUFC]

47 minutes ago, Spike said:

we weren’t debating

Well I was.

[Spike]

31 minutes ago, Danny said:

It’s systemic, he acted on behalf of the system, a police officer choking out a man who is led on his belly, handcuffed, not resisting arrest, unable to resist if he wanted to, 3 other cops alongside to help, is carrying out systemic police brutality on a black man. It is exactly because he was black because that is how the system works.

but breh, black cops also kill black civillians. Would you try and convince those cops they are uncle toms, and racist against their own people but also a representative  of the same system that opresses them? That is a risky move, it might be true in some cases though but I'm not gonna be the one to start pointing fingers at that can of worms 

also, it is a pretty convenient excuse for a cop to claim they are just a product of their environment and system, it helps waive any personal culpability. maybe this guy is just a psycho that wanted to hurt someone? wasn't there also a rumour that the two knew eachother from past work history?

[Spike]

Just now, MUFC said:

Well I was.

That's nice. Sex alone is also called masturbation.

[MUFC]

Just now, Spike said:

That's nice. Sex alone is also called masturbation.

I know, pictures of your mum works wonders. 

[Spike]

1 minute ago, MUFC said:

I know, pictures of your mum works wonders. 

Mum jokes  Well, that is me done, I didn't know I was bullying a child this whole time. 

[MUFC]

Just now, Spike said:

Mum jokes  Well, that is me done, I didn't know I was bullying a child this whole time. 

A wimp always throws in the towel when the going gets tough. 

[Cicero]

23 minutes ago, Spike said:

but breh, black cops also kill black civillians. Would you try and convince those cops they are uncle toms, and racist against their own people but also a representative  of the same system that opresses them? That is a risky move, it might be true in some cases though but I'm not gonna be the one to start pointing fingers at that can of worms 

also, it is a pretty convenient excuse for a cop to claim they are just a product of their environment and system, it helps waive any personal culpability. maybe this guy is just a psycho that wanted to hurt someone? wasn't there also a rumour that the two knew eachother from past work history?

Weird rumor they were in the porn industry together. 

[Spike]

7 minutes ago, Cicero said:

Weird rumor they were in the porn industry together. 

I heard bouncer at night club, but I suppose the terms are interchangable.

[Stan]

11 minutes ago, Cicero said:

Weird rumor they were in the porn industry together. 

 

3 minutes ago, Spike said:

I heard bouncer at night club, but I suppose the terms are interchangable.

I heard they did shifts at the same bar. 

If it was @Cicero's rumour, maybe Derek was jealous

[Azeem]

Masturbation is non penetrative sex performed on oneself by definition

[Stan]

@Spike @MUFC

Now that you seem to have settled your scores...

 

[Spike]

22 minutes ago, Azeem said:

Masturbation is non penetrative sex performed on oneself by definition

What about autofellatio