DeadLinesman Posted July 17, 2022 Posted July 17, 2022 Mirror reporting that all 4 clubs are keeping tabs on the Brentford striker. That’s Manchester, Leeds, Newcastle and West Ham. I’d take him as an alternative we don’t really have as he’s got a decent work rate as well.
Administrator Stan Posted July 17, 2022 Administrator Posted July 17, 2022 Happily change our name to Leicester United if it means we make a bloody signing this summer.
Danny Posted July 17, 2022 Posted July 17, 2022 Got to stump up £50m-£60m for him. There’s always gunna be interest in him but I feel like another season with us may be best for him.
DeadLinesman Posted July 17, 2022 Author Posted July 17, 2022 21 minutes ago, Danny said: Got to stump up £50m-£60m for him. He’s about £30m tops.
Danny Posted July 17, 2022 Posted July 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, DeadLinesman said: He’s about £30m tops. Not in this market
DeadLinesman Posted July 17, 2022 Author Posted July 17, 2022 38 minutes ago, Danny said: Not in this market Show me some strikers scoring less than 15 goals in a major league going for £60m. Not sure what Richarlison went for tbf.
Danny Posted July 17, 2022 Posted July 17, 2022 1 hour ago, DeadLinesman said: Show me some strikers scoring less than 15 goals in a major league going for £60m. Not sure what Richarlison went for tbf. £60m is a stretch but £50m is realistic. When we won the play offs Toney was worth £30m then, which was the same fee we sold Watkins for to Villa the season prior. And Toney outperformed Watkins in the Championship. Toney got 17 goal contributions in the league last season, so his worth will naturally increase from the £30m he was already sat at. Ultimately teams will have the price they’re willing to pay, if Everton feel they need goals next season and sell DCL then they may be more likely to pay the price. For us he as 3 years left on his contract and is key to our survival hopes, so if he does go it will be for a bumper fee. On top of that we’ve just watched Brighton get £50m for Ben White, Arsenal got £25m for Willock who scored 2 goals last season, Burnley got close to £30m for Chris Wood, Leeds paid you £26m for Dan James who also scored about 2 goals last season. So the money is there in the division and precedents have been set for why we can value him at £50m. I’d imagine a deal may get done at £40m - £45m with add ons.
Subscriber RandoEFC+ Posted July 17, 2022 Subscriber Posted July 17, 2022 No disrespect to the lad but I'd be fuming if we paid anything like those prices for Ivan Toney. 12 goals is very decent for a bottom half striker but 5 of those are penalties and at 26 he's approaching "middle aged" as far as Premier League footballers are concerned. We all value our own players at the top end compared to other fans but seeing £60m even being put out there as an honest valuation in this thread is just silly. You might get £40-45m if you hit the jackpot with a club that can afford to throw the money around and are more or less desperate for that exact player like Arsenal with Ben White.
Danny Posted July 17, 2022 Posted July 17, 2022 12 minutes ago, RandoEFC said: No disrespect to the lad but I'd be fuming if we paid anything like those prices for Ivan Toney. 12 goals is very decent for a bottom half striker but 5 of those are penalties and at 26 he's approaching "middle aged" as far as Premier League footballers are concerned. We all value our own players at the top end compared to other fans but seeing £60m even being put out there as an honest valuation in this thread is just silly. You might get £40-45m if you hit the jackpot with a club that can afford to throw the money around and are more or less desperate for that exact player like Arsenal with Ben White. £60m was more of a throw away comment tbh, especially seeing as he won’t be leaving for £30m. £40m+ with add ons will be the most likely price. Hes scored 6 pens yes but he’s also one of the best penalty takers in the league, and if you sign him to take your penalties then goals are goals and he will score them.
Dave Posted July 17, 2022 Posted July 17, 2022 It depends how you value a player. For other teams the most they'll be willing to pay for Ivan Toney is in the region of 40-45m. For Brentford to be willing to depart with a player as effective for them as Ivan Toney then they'll probably want 60m. I lean towards the latter approach in all honestly. It doesn't matter that Arsenal were not willing to pay more than 50m in 2019 for Zaha and encouraged him to do everything he could to drive his transfer value down, we were setting the value and wanted 60m+.
Spike Posted July 17, 2022 Posted July 17, 2022 Fuck me dead, isn’t mad that we can talk seriously about a player with 12 goals at 26 years old going for over £50,000,000. This sport has to be stopped.
Danny Posted July 17, 2022 Posted July 17, 2022 2 hours ago, Spike said: Fuck me dead, isn’t mad that we can talk seriously about a player with 12 goals at 26 years old going for over £50,000,000. This sport has to be stopped. It’s the only way smaller clubs can compete tbh. Just impossible to create a level playing field
Spike Posted July 17, 2022 Posted July 17, 2022 Just now, Danny said: It’s the only way smaller clubs can compete tbh. Just impossible to create a level playing field The smaller clubs don’t compete. Maintaining Premier League status isn’t competing, it is nothing more than treading water to avoid drowning down into the Championship. European football is a closed circuit outside of the old money, and the noveau rich.
Dave Posted July 17, 2022 Posted July 17, 2022 Id say there's a difference between being competitive and competing for trophies/honours. We beat four of the greedy six last year for example
Lucas Posted July 17, 2022 Posted July 17, 2022 I'm surprised we are linked, I think it's just lazy journalism personally from a national tabloid using our name to generate news. They know we have money to spend and it's well known we want a striker. I wouldn't mind him at all but not for silly money. Plus Brentford would never sell their best player to us, they would be incredibly stupid to do so. I do agree with where @Danny is coming from, he is their best player and means too much to them. Without him they are pretty much fighting relegation, he is that key. And if Brentford seriously got that price, it would only further emphasise why I felt so robbed over Phillips and Raphinha being sold too low because both are established internationals. No one's paying that for him, the only one's I think that might be stupid enough would be Newcastle. I do see him going at some point though, he doesn't ever give me the vibe he's totally committed to Brentford, they are just a stepping stone for him I think.
Administrator Stan Posted July 18, 2022 Administrator Posted July 18, 2022 8 hours ago, Spike said: The smaller clubs don’t compete. Maintaining Premier League status isn’t competing, it is nothing more than treading water to avoid drowning down into the Championship. European football is a closed circuit outside of the old money, and the noveau rich. Yes, that's the point - the smaller clubs don't compete because it gets ever-increasingly hard to do so with the money that flies about from the top 6 clubs.
Subscriber RandoEFC+ Posted July 18, 2022 Subscriber Posted July 18, 2022 You could argue that the non-top 6 sides have a greater bargaining hand now than they did a decade ago which is why they can demand ridiculous £70-80m fees for the likes of Zaha, Rice, Grealish, Maguire, Van Dijk and either get the money or keep the player. In the 2000s they would have just been bullied into selling then for way below market value. I wouldn't say it enables them to compete though as the Super League Six just cough up more often than not and still take everyone's best players before they can build a team around them. The rest are just compensated a bit better than they used to be and it enables them to pass on the same treatment to clubs in the Championship or overseas.
Danny Posted July 18, 2022 Posted July 18, 2022 11 hours ago, Lucas said: I'm surprised we are linked, I think it's just lazy journalism personally from a national tabloid using our name to generate news. They know we have money to spend and it's well known we want a striker. I wouldn't mind him at all but not for silly money. Plus Brentford would never sell their best player to us, they would be incredibly stupid to do so. I do agree with where @Danny is coming from, he is their best player and means too much to them. Without him they are pretty much fighting relegation, he is that key. And if Brentford seriously got that price, it would only further emphasise why I felt so robbed over Phillips and Raphinha being sold too low because both are established internationals. No one's paying that for him, the only one's I think that might be stupid enough would be Newcastle. I do see him going at some point though, he doesn't ever give me the vibe he's totally committed to Brentford, they are just a stepping stone for him I think. I think with Toney and how he probably feels that he lost a couple years at the younger stage of his career, he wants to make it to the top as quickly as possible. We’ve always offered the potential of a stepping stone and it’s how we sign these types of players to begin with. But with that said we are competitive and we punch above our weight and we offer the players a family atmosphere too. Obviously Watkins left us but he had spent the night and morning after the Play Off final in tears that he’d let us down and wanted to go up with us. I don’t think any of that will specifically keep a player past how long he wants to stay but I think it can give us an extra year with someone like Toney and hopefully Raya too. I think you’ve seen the same with Raphinha tbh, he was disappointed when he left France that a big club hadn’t come in for him and that he didn’t go for a bigger fee. But he’s given you two solid years now and he clearly seemed upset when leaving which these days feels like that’s the only sort of impact you can make on star players.
Spike Posted July 18, 2022 Posted July 18, 2022 12 hours ago, The Palace Fan said: Id say there's a difference between being competitive and competing for trophies/honours. We beat four of the greedy six last year for example I’d say there isn’t. Most teams just make up the numbers to be hurdles for the teams trying to win. 3 hours ago, Stan said: Yes, that's the point - the smaller clubs don't compete because it gets ever-increasingly hard to do so with the money that flies about from the top 6 clubs. Increasingly? It has been that way since at least the 80s
Administrator Stan Posted July 18, 2022 Administrator Posted July 18, 2022 18 minutes ago, Spike said: I’d say there isn’t. Most teams just make up the numbers to be hurdles for the teams trying to win. Increasingly? It has been that way since at least the 80s So it can't get increasingly worse because you think it's been the same since the 80s?
Spike Posted July 18, 2022 Posted July 18, 2022 6 minutes ago, Stan said: So it can't get increasingly worse because you think it's been the same since the 80s? No, but the way you phrased it made it seem like a recent thing.
OrangeKhrush Posted July 18, 2022 Posted July 18, 2022 On 17/07/2022 at 14:24, Stan said: Happily change our name to Leicester United if it means we make a bloody signing this summer. Alan Pardew when we signed nobody and got players back from loans. "they are like new signings"
Dr. Gonzo Posted July 18, 2022 Posted July 18, 2022 23 hours ago, The Palace Fan said: It depends how you value a player. For other teams the most they'll be willing to pay for Ivan Toney is in the region of 40-45m. For Brentford to be willing to depart with a player as effective for them as Ivan Toney then they'll probably want 60m. I lean towards the latter approach in all honestly. It doesn't matter that Arsenal were not willing to pay more than 50m in 2019 for Zaha and encouraged him to do everything he could to drive his transfer value down, we were setting the value and wanted 60m+. I don't see anything wrong with a club asking for a huge amount of money to sign one of their better players. Especially if that player's a striker - it's a position where clubs can demand a premium. I also don't see anything wrong with selling clubs wanting to pay as little as possible for a player. The fees are seemingly mind boggling, but there really is a mind boggling amount of money flying around in the league. But clubs negotiate for players all the time, and I think if Toney really wants a move... he'll let Brentford know and they'll be willing to negotiate for a reasonable value that's under their initial asking price. It's not unheard of that players go for less than what a club initially asked for... in fact it's quite common.
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