Donald Trump

[Dr. Gonzo]

1 hour ago, nudge said:

Have the US ever formally apologised for the genocide of the natives? Genuine question.

Probably not, but might explain their fear of dangerous immigrants 

[Dr. Gonzo]

2 hours ago, Devon Von Devon said:

@Dr. Gonzo Do you know what happend to that officer ? A young Sikh boy who was the water boy in the rally survived the open fire but all of his family was killed. He decided he will avenge his people. He got educated and all that, took off his Turban and somehow made it to England.

He made it to the parliament and when that officer was about to make a speech he shot and killed him. He finally avenged his people. But he was hanged afterwards.

I'm sure you never heard about it. Do you think he wasted his life ?

No I’ve never heard about it. I don’t know if he wasted his life, he clearly had a goal, worked hard to achieve it, and achieved it all before dying. That’s more than most people do in their lives.

What the West did to... pretty much the whole world is pretty fucked. I don’t deny that. It’s easy to see why a Westerner living in the West would be in favour of US western-centric global hegemony though.

Either way, it doesn’t take much to acknowledge a genocide from your ancestors. It’s not like they did it, they shouldn’t feel ashamed. So it says something when they refuse to admit anything, like they’re proud of it.

[Azeem]

@Dr. Gonzo I dont really think Iranians acknowlege the massacres Nadir Shah( Persian Ruler) carried out against Hindus.

They see him as great conquerer.

I'm talking about people who live in Iran.

[Dr. Gonzo]

1 hour ago, Devon Von Devon said:

@Dr. Gonzo I dont really think Iranians acknowlege the massacres Nadir Shah( Persian Ruler) carried out against Hindus.

They see him as great conquerer.

I'm talking about people who live in Iran.

I don’t really know anything about him, but if he’s carrying out massacres he was probably a shithead. 

[Devil-Dick Willie]

You can't hold the people of the past to the social standards of today.

[RandoEFC+]

Not a fan of Ricky Gervais either but a good quote .

[Honey Honey]

Surely it's not actually real? 

[RandoEFC+]

Not sure, it seems within the realms of possibility. Hope it's real.

[DeadLinesman]

19 minutes ago, Harvsky said:

Surely it's not actually real? 

It’s indeed very real

[Honey Honey]

7 minutes ago, DeadLinesman said:

It’s indeed very real

It's been verified?

The quotes I can find suggest that the ending is "a downright moron" and not the fool or narcissist part.

[Honey Honey]

7 minutes ago, Cannabis said:

As if you're Googling quotes from the 1920's rather than watching Super Sunday 

I'm going to do the hoovering in a minute as well

[Dr. Gonzo]

Holy shit have you seen his twitter lately? I'm not really sure who this Omarosa was before she was in the White House... seems like she was on the Apprentice 3 times and that qualified her . But she's making Trump lose his already missing mind - he's done this to himself hiring someone who had no business being in the White House... and who most of her professional experience (by the looks of it) came from working with Trump on a reality show.

[Harry]

2 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Holy shit have you seen his twitter lately? I'm not really sure who this Omarosa was before she was in the White House... seems like she was on the Apprentice 3 times and that qualified her . But she's making Trump lose his already missing mind - he's done this to himself hiring someone who had no business being in the White House... and who most of her professional experience (by the looks of it) came from working with Trump on a reality show.

Surely the fact trump is still in power is absolute proof that there is no deep state. A group think mentality for sure. But not an organised group. 

[Dr. Gonzo]

3 minutes ago, Harry said:

Surely the fact trump is still in power is absolute proof that there is no deep state. A group think mentality for sure. But not an organised group. 

Yeah he also has disproven the Illuminati as well. 

[Harry]

4 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Yeah he also has disproven the Illuminati as well. 

[Azeem]

On 12/08/2018 at 19:36, RandoEFC said:

Not a fan of Ricky Gervais either but a good quote .

 

[Harry]

Big news in the Mueller probe overnight. 

Manafort found guilty but more importantly Trumps former lawyer Cohen pleading guilty wrt the hush money payments to the porn star and the playboy model and submitting that he did so at the direction of the candidate. 

Potentially establishing a direct link to trump being a co conspirator to a crime...

Trump has been quiet on twitter throughout...

[RandoEFC+]

Nothing has stuck to Trump since his election and he's somehow managed to survive the onslaught despite getting through about 17 cabinets' worth of people to take the bullets for him. Doubt things will be different this time. Saw a first mention of the 2020 election today, hopefully there's a solid opposition this time?

[Cicero]

Ben Shapiro 2020

[Burning Gold]

14 minutes ago, RandoEFC said:

Nothing has stuck to Trump since his election and he's somehow managed to survive the onslaught despite getting through about 17 cabinets' worth of people to take the bullets for him. Doubt things will be different this time. Saw a first mention of the 2020 election today, hopefully there's a solid opposition this time?

I'm not sure, y'know. There have been a lot of "This is the end for Trump!" moments ever since the election, but a lot of those were exaggerated by hysteria and wishful thinking. It takes a lot to impeach a President, especially with Congress on his side, and those scandals lacked substance in terms of any real wrongdoing directly connected to the Trump campaign. Not Trump the man, not Trump hotels, university, steaks, etc.; the Trump 2016 campaign. This is the first time that's really happened, and with midterms coming up, I wouldn't be at all surprised if the credits started to roll for this administration.

It'd be mad if the Stormy Daniels affair is what brought him down though. With all the Russia shit going on, it feels similar to Al Capone being locked up for tax offences because they couldn't get him on any of his mob activities. If he hadn't covered up the affair in the first place, I don't think it would've had the slightest bit of difference to his chances in the election.

[Dr. Gonzo]

1 hour ago, Cicero said:

Ben Shapiro 2020

Gross.

36 minutes ago, Burning Gold said:

I'm not sure, y'know. There have been a lot of "This is the end for Trump!" moments ever since the election, but a lot of those were exaggerated by hysteria and wishful thinking. It takes a lot to impeach a President, especially with Congress on his side, and those scandals lacked substance in terms of any real wrongdoing directly connected to the Trump campaign. Not Trump the man, not Trump hotels, university, steaks, etc.; the Trump 2016 campaign. This is the first time that's really happened, and with midterms coming up, I wouldn't be at all surprised if the credits started to roll for this administration.

It'd be mad if the Stormy Daniels affair is what brought him down though. With all the Russia shit going on, it feels similar to Al Capone being locked up for tax offences because they couldn't get him on any of his mob activities. If he hadn't covered up the affair in the first place, I don't think it would've had the slightest bit of difference to his chances in the election.

Why would Republicans want to impeach a man that's rubber stamping the ideal neo-con economic agenda for them. Major tax cuts for the rich & now to pay for the deficit that will entail, they're likely going to have to make cuts to social services. They've already gotten a corporate stooge onto the Supreme Court and are trying to push through another one. All he needs to do is start a war with Iran to throw some money at the military industry complex and the elite that run the republican party will probably be very pleased with how he's done.

I think it'll be both the Stormy Daniels shite + Russia bringing him down, whether it's in the form of a blue wave that leads to his eventual impeachment... or if Republicans decide that enough is enough and he's pushing away too many moderate voters and trying to get ahead of the situation. The reason I say I think it'll be both scandals is because of Michael Cohen's attorney today saying that Cohen has fully flipped and that he will provide evidence that demonstrates that Trump worked with the Russians. And even if Trump goes away, the extent of the Russian interference needs to be fully investigated - because Maria Butina's ties to the NRA, a major lobbying arm in America, could make a number of politicians on both sides compromised.

[Cicero]

4 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Gross.

 

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[Burning Gold]

8 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Gross.

Why would Republicans want to impeach a man that's rubber stamping the ideal neo-con economic agenda for them. Major tax cuts for the rich & now to pay for the deficit that will entail, they're likely going to have to make cuts to social services. They've already gotten a corporate stooge onto the Supreme Court and are trying to push through another one. All he needs to do is start a war with Iran to throw some money at the military industry complex and the elite that run the republican party will probably be very pleased with how he's done.

I think it'll be both the Stormy Daniels shite + Russia bringing him down, whether it's in the form of a blue wave that leads to his eventual impeachment... or if Republicans decide that enough is enough and he's pushing away too many moderate voters and trying to get ahead of the situation. The reason I say I think it'll be both scandals is because of Michael Cohen's attorney today saying that Cohen has fully flipped and that he will provide evidence that demonstrates that Trump worked with the Russians. And even if Trump goes away, the extent of the Russian interference needs to be fully investigated - because Maria Butina's ties to the NRA, a major lobbying arm in America, could make a number of politicians on both sides compromised.

Answered your own question there mate 

I never said it would be the Republicans that would do it, but it could be if they think it would help in the midterms. Wouldn't Trump be replaced by dyed-in-the-wool Republican Mike Pence if he were to be impeached anyway?

[Dr. Gonzo]

3 minutes ago, Cicero said:

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His blend of libertarian politics + traditional USA neo-con views rub me the wrong way. Libertarian ideology, in my books, is a bunch of fanciful rubbish. It doesn't fly anywhere other than where libertarian thinkers have imagined it to work (looking at Ayn Rand & the people she's influenced) - ultimately, it's impossible because you have to rely on society at large to regulate it's behavior as one. Then you've got to believe that people are basically good, which just isn't true, and you'd have to act like things like greed or jealousy won't impact peoples outlook on how they live their lives. That's just not realistic. I think libertarians are just dishonest ultra-conservatives tbh. But aside from generalisations, let's delve into his actual points.

This one is something only a conservative American would argue in my books - because I think it reflects poorly on American society that the state does not provide a better healthcare system to its population - but he believes that people don't have a "right" to healthcare because people are not entitled to a doctors time and resources. Perhaps it's because I'm from a country where if I ever needed to get to a doctor, we have NHS, but I just do not understand America's unwillingness to allow all Americans to go to doctors. Well it's not just not letting them go to doctors, because all Americans can go to the Emergency Room... which if you can't afford, will be covered by the taxpayers at a greater expense than if they'd just been covered by the state in the first place. His rationale also doesn't fly with the US Constitution's 6th Amendment (right to an attorney) or with how emergency rooms currently operate.

When he was confronted with this, he essentially said he didn't believe indigent defendants should have counsel provided. He didn't address emergency rooms. So I suppose ideologically he was consistent in regards to lawyers. But I'd say it's ideologically repugnant to just think the poor should be fucked when it comes to protecting their legal rights under America's highest law of the land or that poor people shouldn't go to the doctor... or if they do, they should be a greater burden on the taxpayer (which is, ideologically inconsistent - and I think objectively a shit policy).

When confronted about Kansas's massive tax cut plan, that he was very very supportive of, and how that in reality money had not trickled down. Here's what the after effect of Kansas's tax plan: https://www.businessinsider.com/kansas-experiment-with-tax-cutting-failed-on-its-own-terms-2017-6 ;and here is Ben Shapiro's response:

 

 

He didn't have a response when asked to make any sort of comment. Ultimately, if you're going to support policy ideas and they fail spectacularly... you should at least show you've learned something from the failure. He didn't even have an excuse as to why Kansas's tax cut plans failed.

He's anti-abortion, which I think is just fucking stupid. He also says it's because "all life needs to be protected." Yeah, up until the fetus pops out... at which point the little fucker is expected to pull himself up by his own bootstraps & not have government protect in the form of healthcare, environmental regulations, etc. It's intellectually lazy. He throws around the term "leftist" to every person that's to the left of him. He defines leftist as "people who believe equality of outcome is the primary purpose of government" - there's plenty of people to the left of him that don't fit this definition. Literally anyone left-leaning that isn't a communist or socialist would not be considered a leftist under his definition. What does he call these people? Leftists. It's intellectually lazy. He dismisses any criticism of Israel as anti-Semetic. Again, intellectually lazy.

And the intellectual laziness is irritating to me, because he's very clearly not a stupid person. But his smug media persona makes him money and works for him - so why not role with it if you're him? I can appreciate that he's a voice for conservatives and libertarians that isn't quite as batshit insane as the Republican base. That doesn't mean he should be President, or any sort of real politician. If he's going to be involved in politics, he should stick to his media role. Alternatively, I welcome him leaving his media role and focusing on literally anything apolitical. Or if he must do political journalism, he's a good communicator and a good writer... I wish he'd do real journalism instead of political punditry.

[Dr. Gonzo]

20 minutes ago, Burning Gold said:

Answered your own question there mate 

I never said it would be the Republicans that would do it, but it could be if they think it would help in the midterms. Wouldn't Trump be replaced by dyed-in-the-wool Republican Mike Pence if he were to be impeached anyway?

Honestly, I'm surprised they haven't ditched Trump for Pence a long time ago. Pence at least understands political optics and wouldn't be on fucking twitter all the time, they'd probably have a much easier time of passing a traditional republican agenda with him.

But the republican donors, who would largely be in favour of ditching Trump for Pence, are one thing. It's the Republican voting base that's the bigger worry for Republicans.