Administrator Stan 18,432 Posted June 19, 2023 Administrator Share Posted June 19, 2023 Death threats against his former partner apparently... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeKhrush 301 Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 Another one, what is the matter with modern day footballers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 5,111 Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 9 hours ago, OrangeKhrush said: Another one, what is the matter with modern day footballers People call the police more now. Instead of simply just living with abuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeKhrush 301 Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 11 hours ago, Spike said: People call the police more now. Instead of simply just living with abuse. that's wonderful and totally fails to explain why footballers allow themselves to fall prey to such. he is charged with rape which is a high evidentiary burden, but it's not a good situation. we live in times where we believe victims even before evidence and famous people are more likely to face these types of allegations. that However doesn't mean that they should rather not put themselves into such situations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick 2,283 Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 Footballers have always been fucking idiot babies, living in a complete bubble. Just now we have smartphones, social media and less tolerance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan 18,432 Posted June 20, 2023 Author Administrator Share Posted June 20, 2023 3 hours ago, OrangeKhrush said: that's wonderful and totally fails to explain why footballers allow themselves to fall prey to such. he is charged with rape which is a high evidentiary burden, but it's not a good situation. we live in times where we believe victims even before evidence and famous people are more likely to face these types of allegations. that However doesn't mean that they should rather not put themselves into such situations 'generally, rape is bad' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeKhrush 301 Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, Stan said: 'generally, rape is bad' I would agree with you, except when you read about the number of child molesters that get released. It makes me question whether the penal system feels the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeKhrush 301 Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Rick said: Footballers have always been fucking idiot babies, living in a complete bubble. Just now we have smartphones, social media and less tolerance. I am inclined to believe that it is why footballers need to complete school before they can sign professional contracts. Clubs further need to make sure that all the players do some kind of program where they learn how to conduct themselves in public spaces. It is only a matter of time before Jack Graelish finds himself in the spotlight, he has already just about dodged a bullet with the Mendy situation, but he seems to have alcohol related issues that are perfect platforms for people to take advantage of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber Mel81x+ 3,620 Posted June 20, 2023 Subscriber Share Posted June 20, 2023 1 minute ago, OrangeKhrush said: I am inclined to believe that it is why footballers need to complete school before they can sign professional contracts. Clubs further need to make sure that all the players do some kind of program where they learn how to conduct themselves in public spaces. It is only a matter of time before Jack Graelish finds himself in the spotlight, he has already just about dodged a bullet with the Mendy situation, but he seems to have alcohol related issues that are perfect platforms for people to take advantage of. A lot of clubs have folks who take care of this but there's only so much policing one person or a club can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeKhrush 301 Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, Mel81x said: A lot of clubs have folks who take care of this but there's only so much policing one person or a club can do. Of course, I am just trying to establish a reasonable standard that the club can set, and if the player transgresses and the club takes disciplinary action, that the club is protected. I definitely don't dispute that every person is responsible for their own actions, moral responsibility is unavoidable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6666 1,311 Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 The whole "what's wrong with footballers" angle is always a dumb one in my opinion. It's not as if footballers are a special case when it comes to crimes being committed. Only reason people use the argument is to try and separate themselves from the type of person committing the crime so they can feel better about whatever group they're in. At least they're not doing it based on anything like race, but it's still stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Palace Fan 3,410 Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 1 hour ago, 6666 said: The whole "what's wrong with footballers" angle is always a dumb one in my opinion. It's not as if footballers are a special case when it comes to crimes being committed. Only reason people use the argument is to try and separate themselves from the type of person committing the crime so they can feel better about whatever group they're in. What do you mean by 'what group they're in'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6666 1,311 Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 32 minutes ago, The Palace Fan said: What do you mean by 'what group they're in'? Well in this situation it's simply people that are footballers v. people who aren't. It's easier to just say there's something wrong with footballers then to say it's a problem with society in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo 8,200 Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 1 hour ago, 6666 said: Well in this situation it's simply people that are footballers v. people who aren't. It's easier to just say there's something wrong with footballers then to say it's a problem with society in general. It's a problem with society that's caused a problem with footballers. They're generally less educated than most people their age and are used to getting their way because they've got big money and big egos and often don't have people saying "no" to them as much as people who live more average lives. You listen to that Mason Greenwood tape or hear about Diop getting arrested for multiple death threats against his partners and... they just seem like big man-children, so of course that's going to be commented on with regard to the crimes of these footballers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6666 1,311 Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Dr. Gonzo said: It's a problem with society that's caused a problem with footballers. They're generally less educated than most people their age and are used to getting their way because they've got big money and big egos and often don't have people saying "no" to them as much as people who live more average lives. You listen to that Mason Greenwood tape or hear about Diop getting arrested for multiple death threats against his partners and... they just seem like big man-children, so of course that's going to be commented on with regard to the crimes of these footballers. There's no link to them being footballers. "They're not used to being told no" isn't really true either. They're a lot more used to having to take direction and having they're every move analysed and controlled. I still wouldn't day they're less likely to do something shitty. Reality is that society churns out people that do shitty things and sometimes they'll happen to be footballers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo 8,200 Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 53 minutes ago, 6666 said: They're not used to being told no" isn't really true either. I'm talking about their personal lives, not their work lives. And a lot of them, from the time they're in their late teens through their 30s live their personal lives as though nobody else matters and that they can do whatever they want, all while surrounded by an entourage of mates who don't want to tell their pal "no' for fear of upsetting him and getting excluded from hanging about with their very rich pal. So they act like big spoiled man-children. It's not really exclusive to footballers, it's really common amongst the rich and famous all over the world. You're not wrong that society churns out shit people who do shit things - but there's a reason the rich and famous think they can act in ways that would get other people in trouble and think they'll face no consequences, footballers included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reluctant Striker 134 Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 It must have some effect, of some kind, being so young & literally having more money than they know what to do with. While most people tell them how amazing they are. There's been plenty of talk about supporting those who drop out of the pro game at youth levels. I guess the other side of the same coin is the risk of becoming a bit of a twat. Gary Neville has described how SAF told the MU squad to not forget who they were & where they came from, or something to that effect. Which is all along generally similar lines. Its not a new thing at all, but any increase is likely because, as @Spike suggested, victims feel much more confident to report things & seek help. Which is a good shift in society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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