Administrator Stan Posted October 25, 2021 Administrator Share Posted October 25, 2021 To gain a penalty, the foul, by definition, doesn't have to be in a 'super-dangerous' position. You can score goals from any part of the box, but also create crosses or chances which lead to goals. Where you get fouled in the box shouldn't dictate whether it's enough of a problem to be a penalty or not? The penalty area is pre-defined and everyone knows if you commit a foul inside it, you give away a penalty. Drill down in to that further and have certain areas where you define as 'super dangerous' or just 'dangerous' and you ironically go in to dangerous territory as to how the game is played. It becomes worse in terms of scrutiny of the laws of the game comparatively to what VAR does. Changing the shape of the penalty area only moves the problem (which isn't actually a problem). It is actually 18 yards anyway. Both to either side of the goal and from the goalline outwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inverted Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 19 minutes ago, Stan said: To gain a penalty, the foul, by definition, doesn't have to be in a 'super-dangerous' position. You can score goals from any part of the box, but also create crosses or chances which lead to goals. Where you get fouled in the box shouldn't dictate whether it's enough of a problem to be a penalty or not? The penalty area is pre-defined and everyone knows if you commit a foul inside it, you give away a penalty. Drill down in to that further and have certain areas where you define as 'super dangerous' or just 'dangerous' and you ironically go in to dangerous territory as to how the game is played. It becomes worse in terms of scrutiny of the laws of the game comparatively to what VAR does. Changing the shape of the penalty area only moves the problem (which isn't actually a problem). It is actually 18 yards anyway. Both to either side of the goal and from the goalline outwards. I haven't needed to work this out since high school, but I think if you draw a straight diagonal line from the goal to the corner of the penalty box, it is more than 18 yards. The diagonals are longer than the sides in squares. I think. An actual 18-yard area would be roughly semi-circular. It would cut-off the corners, essentially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil-Dick Willie Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 Inverted is correct, the distance is just over 25 yards from near post to corner of the box I believe. It's what old mate Pythagoras tells me anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan Posted October 26, 2021 Administrator Share Posted October 26, 2021 8 hours ago, Inverted said: I haven't needed to work this out since high school, but I think if you draw a straight diagonal line from the goal to the corner of the penalty box, it is more than 18 yards. The diagonals are longer than the sides in squares. I think. An actual 18-yard area would be roughly semi-circular. It would cut-off the corners, essentially. 7 hours ago, Devil-Dick Willie said: Inverted is correct, the distance is just over 25 yards from near post to corner of the box I believe. It's what old mate Pythagoras tells me anyway. No. You go in a straight direction (not diagonal) from any part of the goal line out towards the pitch. 18 yards takes you to the edge of the box. From either side of the goal, go 18 yards out towards the corner flag and you get to the edge of the box. You're doing 18 yards from the centre of the goal in which case you're right. But that's not how the 18 yard box is measured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil-Dick Willie Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 41 minutes ago, Stan said: No. You go in a straight direction (not diagonal) from any part of the goal line out towards the pitch. 18 yards takes you to the edge of the box. From either side of the goal, go 18 yards out towards the corner flag and you get to the edge of the box. You're doing 18 yards from the centre of the goal in which case you're right. But that's not how the 18 yard box is measured. Yes. From the post to the CORNER of the 18 yard box is just over 25 yards. That's how squares work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Devil-Dick Willie Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 As you can see I never made it to art school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan Posted October 26, 2021 Administrator Share Posted October 26, 2021 Yep, you're measuring from the wrong spot. You don't measure from the goalpost diagonally to that corner of the box. The rest of your drawings are fine so you get some marks for that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil-Dick Willie Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 27 minutes ago, Stan said: Yep, you're measuring from the wrong spot. You don't measure from the goalpost diagonally to that corner of the box. The rest of your drawings are fine so you get some marks for that THE RED LINE IS THE GOAL LINE. I'm going to explain this really simply, before you become a legendary whooper like the liverpool guy who thought dinosaurs were a hoax. The distance from the goal POST to the edge of the box towards the corner flag is 18 yards. The distance from the goal POST to the edge of the box towards the half way line is 18 yards. This creates an 18 by 18 square. With the goal post being one corner of the square, and the corner of the box being the opposite corner. The distance between 2 corners of a square is calculated as the square root of (side a squared + side b squared) Those distances are both equal so we're looking for the square root of 18^2 +18^2, or even simpler, 18 sqrt 2. This is 25.46 yards. You can do this at home with a ruler/pen/your dick. Draw a square, measure the side, then measure it corner to corner. It's longer corner to corner. Simples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan Posted October 26, 2021 Administrator Share Posted October 26, 2021 I know how to measure and what to measure you melt No one cares about the yardage between 2 corners of the square you've drawn out though. So you're just making an issue out of nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil-Dick Willie Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 10 hours ago, Inverted said: I haven't needed to work this out since high school, but I think if you draw a straight diagonal line from the goal to the corner of the penalty box, it is more than 18 yards. 1 hour ago, Stan said: No. You go in a straight direction (not diagonal) from any part of the goal line out towards the pitch. 18 yards takes you to the edge of the box. From either side of the goal, go 18 yards out towards the corner flag and you get to the edge of the box. You're doing 18 yards from the centre of the goal in which case you're right. But that's not how the 18 yard box is measured. You're a melt. It was literally the crux of the issue. Though I think you misunderstood inverted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan Posted October 26, 2021 Administrator Share Posted October 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, Devil-Dick Willie said: You're a melt. It was literally the crux of the issue. Though I think you misunderstood inverted. Guilty as charged, but also happy to blame him for starting this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inverted Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 Waking up to see the fallout from giving my half-asleep thoughts on the merits of a semi-circular penalty area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 @Stan @Devil-Dick Willie these kind of debates use to cause lots of problems when brian was on here. Normally it took up 7 pages and ended with how great Peru is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 penalties are ruining the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machado Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 I agree there should be an alternative to penalty kicks. No idea what but they should pay some qualified folks to sit in an office 9 to 5 to think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil-Dick Willie Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 I think there should be retrospective bans for divers, and VAR should more often impose penalties on those found guilty of trying to trick the system. If you go down under light/no contact and appeal for a penalty, you should get a yellow card, kept on a separate record to your other yellows. 2 in a season and you get a 1 match ban. 3? 2 match ban and so on. These should be carried across all UEFA competitions. So a premier league player who commits an offence in the league, then later in Europe, will miss their next game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber Coma+ Posted October 27, 2021 Subscriber Share Posted October 27, 2021 On 14/10/2021 at 17:15, Devil-Dick Willie said: There seems to be a prevailing sentiment currently that Timo Werner was some sort of strike machine at RB. That he was a feared predator. He scored 1 in 3 chances on a good day at RB. That's probably why he was sold for 45+ million, instead of the 70+ million that Havertz went for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azeem Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 Freekicks inside the box instead of penalties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber Coma+ Posted October 27, 2021 Subscriber Share Posted October 27, 2021 One coach's challenge per match where the official has to go to VAR to review the play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azeem Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 The player who assists should be mentioned with the goalscorer on the scoreline like in cricket where caught and bowled is mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan Posted November 23, 2021 Administrator Share Posted November 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Khan of TF365 said: The player who assists should be mentioned with the goalscorer on the scoreline like in cricket where caught and bowled is mentioned. I've noticed this on score update sites. Been doing it for ages. Match of the Day has started to do it for the last couple of seasons too. Same for the updates on BBC's website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rucksackfranzose Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 2 hours ago, Khan of TF365 said: The player who assists should be mentioned with the goalscorer on the scoreline like in cricket where caught and bowled is mentioned. It's regularly done in Germany. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber Coma+ Posted December 1, 2021 Subscriber Share Posted December 1, 2021 Cheerleaders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asura Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 I probably said this here before but not sure. Super cups are stupid and those trophies should not be counted by any big clubs if they have any shame. You dont win a trophy by playing one match, that would be a friendly cup if anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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