Spike 5,103 Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 europa league is seen as demotion from the champions league. it needs its own identity, ideally it should still be the cup winnners cup 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber Dan+ 1,918 Posted March 11, 2021 Subscriber Share Posted March 11, 2021 6 hours ago, Smiley Culture said: It saddens me that plenty of football fans see European Football as some sort of hindrance and treat the Europa League and soon, the Conference League, with contempt. I do agree although I do think a third tier one is 'slightly' too far - though the way it's structured is it takes away the bottom 16 teams from the Europa League in the current format, and adds the next 16 down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scouse_Mouse 111 Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Spike said: europa league is seen as demotion from the champions league. it needs its own identity, ideally it should still be the cup winnners cup The Europa League will always be the Champions League's poor relative though Spike. They can market it any way they want but it will always be seen as the European tournament made up of teams not good enough to make the Champion's League. As far as the CWC goes I think that has had it's day. It made sense when only one team from each country got to compete in the European Cup, and the 2nd and 3rd place teams played in the Inter Cities Fairs Cup / UEFA Cup but it became pretty much redundant when the first two were expanded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil-Dick Willie 3,253 Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 4 hours ago, Dan said: I agree with this, I don't see the harm in it if people just take it for what it is. Because it's useless. It's literally a conglomerate of stats that are objective AND subjective, rolled into a subjective stat that doesn't actually tell you anything more than shots on goal does. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskey 1,192 Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, Devil-Dick Willie said: Because it's useless. It's literally a conglomerate of stats that are objective AND subjective, rolled into a subjective stat that doesn't actually tell you anything more than shots on goal does. This, 1000%. xG is for people who think they could do better than Pep Guardiola because they've gone 20 games unbeaten on Ultimate Team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber Dan+ 1,918 Posted March 11, 2021 Subscriber Share Posted March 11, 2021 11 minutes ago, Devil-Dick Willie said: Because it's useless. It's literally a conglomerate of stats that are objective AND subjective, rolled into a subjective stat that doesn't actually tell you anything more than shots on goal does. It's no more useless than shots and possession, which plenty seem to fawn over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil-Dick Willie 3,253 Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, Dan said: It's no more useless than shots and possession, which plenty seem to fawn over. While I think it's dangerous to use ANY stat as a reflection of a match, including goals scored sometimes, shots and possession are objective. They're a metric that actually happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber Dan+ 1,918 Posted March 11, 2021 Subscriber Share Posted March 11, 2021 44 minutes ago, Devil-Dick Willie said: While I think it's dangerous to use ANY stat as a reflection of a match, including goals scored sometimes, shots and possession are objective. They're a metric that actually happened. You have a point and I don't think xG is flawless by any stretch. I'm wondering if at times it isn't taking everything into account - for example you play a striker in one on one, he dallies and the keeper sweeps up. My understanding is that doesn't even get marked because no shot was made - which to me is wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mpache 672 Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 All stats are relevant with context. They are blown out of proportion far too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskey 1,192 Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 10 minutes ago, Mpache said: All stats are relevant with context. They are blown out of proportion far too much. Possession is factual, xG isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Palace Fan 3,402 Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 If xG had a more appropriate name for what it actually is I imagine it would be accepted more in mainstream football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Palace Fan 3,402 Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Devil-Dick Willie said: While I think it's dangerous to use ANY stat as a reflection of a match, Roy, is that you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil-Dick Willie 3,253 Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 Exactly. A half chance for Haaland is an expected goal A guilt edged chance for Werner is only going to end up in the net 30% of the time. XG doesn't understand this, or striker confidence, form, bogeys and the like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Palace Fan 3,402 Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 Chance Quality would be a better terminology than expected goals. Expected implies they're expected to score. Benteke isn't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil-Dick Willie 3,253 Posted March 11, 2021 Share Posted March 11, 2021 1 minute ago, The Palace Fan said: Roy, is that you? Shakhtar completed 618 passes to Romas 366 Shakhtar had 63% possession 87% pass accuracy to 80% in favor of Shakhtar Roma committed 21 fouls to Shakhatars 7 Shakhtar had 4 shots on target compared to Romas 7 Roma scored 3 goals to nil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber Dan+ 1,918 Posted March 12, 2021 Subscriber Share Posted March 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Devil-Dick Willie said: Shakhtar completed 618 passes to Romas 366 Shakhtar had 63% possession 87% pass accuracy to 80% in favor of Shakhtar Roma committed 21 fouls to Shakhatars 7 Shakhtar had 4 shots on target compared to Romas 7 Roma scored 3 goals to nil. How good were Shakhtar's chances? How good were Roma's chances? I did read an interesting, albeit quite pessimistic thread on it all yesterday which I agreed with though - even despite my thinking that xG isn't bad, the whole thing is making the sport extremely dull. The problem is I'm not sure how you undo it. I feel like it's what it's envolved into and you can't really go back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil-Dick Willie 3,253 Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 It's true. Enlightened twats who think up magical stats to predict games are ruining the sport. Glad I'm not one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber Dan+ 1,918 Posted March 12, 2021 Subscriber Share Posted March 12, 2021 I think there's a place for it but I tend to agree with my mates view that we, as fans, need to stop getting too invested in this kind of thing - I mean there's no way on earth any unironic xG talk would happen on a matchday where we're all at the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil 1,179 Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 I only just noticed last night that even Adidas aren't even the official ball sponsor of the Europa league. I looked it up online and it's a company called Molten!! Never heard of them but looked them up and they specialise in Netballs and basketballs. Even the match ball has been devalued!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan 18,386 Posted March 12, 2021 Administrator Share Posted March 12, 2021 11 minutes ago, Devil said: I only just noticed last night that even Adidas aren't even the official ball sponsor of the Europa league. I looked it up online and it's a company called Molten!! Never heard of them but looked them up and they specialise in Netballs and basketballs. Even the match ball has been devalued!! Was it meant to be Adidas? Does it matter ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil 1,179 Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Stan said: Was it meant to be Adidas? Does it matter ? No not really but if the major sports brands aren't going to show the tournament respect then it's hard to see how anyone will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil-Dick Willie 3,253 Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 On 02/07/2017 at 03:08, SkyBruce Championship said: Newcastle isn't up to 2017 yet You there yet mate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnivore Chris 2,606 Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 (edited) The biggest achievement in football isn't winning the world cup, but winning the treble at club level as you've got to be at your best for 60 games over a 9 month period. Edited June 28, 2021 by Carnivore Chris 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskey 1,192 Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 2 hours ago, Carnivore Chris said: The biggest achievement in football isn't winning the world cup, but winning the treble at club level as you've got to be at your best for 60 games over a 9 month period. Similarly, winning league titles means more than European competitions as for the league you need to do it for 38 (or thereabouts) games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero 5,267 Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 4 hours ago, Carnivore Chris said: The biggest achievement in football isn't winning the world cup, but winning the treble at club level as you've got to be at your best for 60 games over a 9 month period. That’s actually a good shout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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