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Copa Libertadores Final 2018: RIVER PLATE (5) aet3-1 (3) BOCA JUNIORS

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I saw some comments on Twitter saying that this happens because Boca and River really fucking hate each other, but it's bollocks. Yes, they hate each other but the social level in Argentina has really declined in the last 15 years. This sort of thing likely would not have happened back in the 70's or 80's.

Argentina is also one of the few countries in South America where they are more partizan towards their clubs than the national team. On the entire west coast you'll find that people care more about international football. Not sure about Brazil and Uruguay but Argentina's attitude towards club football is similar to that of Europeans.

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22 minutes ago, Blue said:

I saw some comments on Twitter saying that this happens because Boca and River really fucking hate each other, but it's bollocks. Yes, they hate each other but the social level in Argentina has really declined in the last 15 years. This sort of thing likely would not have happened back in the 70's or 80's.

Argentina is also one of the few countries in South America where they are more partizan towards their clubs than the national team. On the entire west coast you'll find that people care more about international football. Not sure about Brazil and Uruguay but Argentina's attitude towards club football is similar to that of Europeans.

Indeed, that's rubbish about hate and even more so when things like that are used to state that there's more passion for the game.  Real Madrid hate each other tremendously and you can't have ore hate than that as it goes even beyond football to politics and class...  You have the same in Spain with Sevilla and Real Betis.  Yet you don't get things as crazy as that happening, especially these days.

It's about underclasses and if we want to go deep into why those underclasses exist, then we can have a whole different debate that goes beyond football.

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Indeed, that's rubbish about hate and even more so when things like that are used to state that there's more passion for the game.  Real Madrid hate each other tremendously and you can't have ore hate than that as it goes even beyond football to politics and class...  You have the same in Spain with Sevilla and Real Betis.  Yet you don't get things as crazy as that happening, especially these days.

It's about underclasses and if we want to go deep into why those underclasses exist, then we can have a whole different debate that goes beyond football.

I think both things I've mentioned above are important. Peru has a really low social level, and fans are partizan but not as much as they are in Argentina. The clubs hating each other does have to do with it, but it's the least of concerns in my opinion.

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Copa Libertadores: River Plate 'mafia' blamed for Boca Juniors bus attack

46 minutes ago | Football

River Plate hooligans described as the "mafia of Argentine soccer" were behind the attack on Boca Juniors' bus before the Copa Libertadores final second leg, says the mayor of Buenos Aires.

Saturday's game was delayed by 24 hours then postponed, with its rescheduling set to be discussed on Tuesday.

Several Boca players were injured when the windows on the bus were broken on the way to River's Estadio Monumental.

Buenos Aires mayor Horacio Rodriguez Larreta said it was a revenge attack.

He said the incident occurred a day after police raided the house of a leader of the Barra Brava - the powerful and violent wing of River's hardcore support.

They confiscated 10 million pesos (£207,285) and 300 tickets for the final.

"The problem is the Barra Brava - a mafia who have been embedded in football for more than 50 years," he added.

"They are responsible for these incidents. This is directly related to the episode the day before. So 300 people were not allowed in and they were the principle protagonists of everything that happened."

South American football expert Tim Vickery says the Barra Brava makes their money through nefarious activities, including selling tickets on the black market.

"The hooligans in Argentina, it's not just passion, it's a business. Tickets were exchanging hands at extraordinary prices," he told BBC Radio 4.

"So one interpretation of the violence here from the River Plate supporters is that this was a revenge attack from an organised group of thugs, against the police for not allowing them to profit from this match."

Boca players suffered cuts from the glass and were also affected by the tear gas used by police to disperse the crowds.

Club officials asked South American football's governing body Conmebol to take action and allow those affected by Saturday's incidents to recover further.

Larreta called on both clubs to collaborate with the investigation into what happened and said he would do "whatever it takes to get to the bottom of this problem".

"We need to find out who gave them the tickets and overcome the mafia of the Barra," he added. "This is our biggest challenge and we are going forward on that basis."

Conmebol says it will meet with the presidents of Boca Juniors and River Plate on Tuesday at 13:00 GMT to make a decision on when the match will be replayed.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46341666

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the G20 meeting taking place in Argentina pushes the final back a few days. Dec 8 is the rumoured day for the final, ten days later the winner has to play the club world cup semi. Doubt the final will be played outside of Argentina but the idea of playing the final in the Emirates is being thrown around so the winner doesn't have to travel for the tournament. Uruguay and Chile hosting the final is a possibility too, surprised Peru wasn't an option. 

- 7 Partidos con Zuculini - Multiples casos de anti-doping - Le robaron a Racing - Le robaron a Independiente - Piedras y gas a Boca @Berserker need more prove of riBer Plate's corruption! Such a shame that a big club like them have to depend on cheating to win. 

They should hold it in the Camp Nou... There's no more South American styled cauldron in Europe other than that one and in an infrastructurelly sound nation.  I am being slightly biased because I could then attend easily and feel very safe, but there are few arguments against it other than taking it all out of the continent it belongs to which is more than enough.

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the G20 meeting taking place in Argentina pushes the final back a few days. Dec 8 is the rumoured day for the final, ten days later the winner has to play the club world cup semi. Doubt the final will be played outside of Argentina but the idea of playing the final in the Emirates is being thrown around so the winner doesn't have to travel for the tournament. Uruguay and Chile hosting the final is a possibility too, surprised Peru wasn't an option. 

- 7 Partidos con Zuculini - Multiples casos de anti-doping - Le robaron a Racing - Le robaron a Independiente - Piedras y gas a Boca @Berserker need more prove of riBer Plate's corruption! Such a shame that a big club like them have to depend on cheating to win. 

Voka played with Wanchope when he was suspended for 8 or 9 matches too. That's Conmebol's fault not the clubs. Stop talking shit, we won all our matches fair and square. Against Racing nothing happened and against Independiente the supposed penalty wasn't one as Pinola had touched the ball and cleared it well out of the penalty box and in it's way out of the field before clashing with Benitez, and it was also a natural clash as Benitez was on the way Pinola was gonna land after running and kicking the ball in the air by jumping. Voca was the first one to throw stones and gas, don't you remember the 2015 Libertadores?, and that was in their stadium and by their normal fans, not well outside of it and by barrabravas in a vendetta against the police/government. Not to mention our bus glasses were also struck with stones in the first leg too like D'onofrio said today, it just wasn't shown on TV and the players weren't injured by chance.  Also like i said before Voca is by far the most corrupt club in the Americas, just look how they won their Libertadores and most of their Leagues and DARE to tell me that's not the case.

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" River decime que se siente, haber jugado en Nacional, te juro que aunque pasen los años, nunca nos vamos a olvidar, que te fuiste a la B, quemaste el Monumental, esa mancha no se borra nunca más, che gallina sos cagón, le pegaste a un jugador, que cobardes los Borrachos del Tablón".

 

 

 

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Paraguay, Brazil and Italy have all offered to hold the match.

River Plate v Boca Juniors: Postponed Copa Libertadores final second leg will not be held in Argentina

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The postponed Copa Libertadores final second leg between River Plate and Boca Juniors will be played outside of Argentina on 8 or 9 December.

Saturday's game was initially delayed until Sunday after River Plate supporters attacked the Boca Juniors team bus, before being postponed.

A statement from South American football's governing body Conmebol said a date and venue would be decided "as soon as possible".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46363739

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50 minutes ago, Berserker said:

Fans allowed but it's a pisstake, the most likely location appears to be fucking Paraguay and the stadiums there are much smaller than El Monumental.

Not just that, but people in Argentina can easily fly there, and not to mention Defensores del Chaco is so close to the pitch, it's a disaster waiting to happen.

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Copa Libertadores final to be completed outside Argentina on December 8 or 9

By Matt Slater, Press Association chief sports reporter | 1h

The second leg of the Copa Libertadores final between Buenos Aires rivals Boca Juniors and River Plate will be played outside Argentina on either December 8 or 9, South American football's governing body CONMEBOL has announced.

Billed as the biggest club game in South American football history, the second leg was twice delayed on Saturday, postponed until Sunday and then called off following an attack by River Plate fans on the Boca team coach.

With the tie poised at 2-2, Boca players were left injured by shards of broken glass and affected by tear gas, which was fired by police to disperse the crowd outside River Plate's El Monumental stadium.

It had been hoped that the final of the South American equivalent of the Champions League, the first between Argentina's most famous clubs, could be completed on Sunday, but Boca asked for another postponement, as some of their players were still suffering from the after-effects of the tear gas.

Having summoned the bosses of the two clubs to CONMEBOL's headquarters in Paraguay on Tuesday, confederation president Alejandro Dominguez issued a statement to say a decision on whether the game will be played in either two Saturdays' time or the day after will be made by its disciplinary committee.

The statement did not say where the final would be played, but Dominguez told a press conference afterwards that the game would not take place in Argentina.

Several potential venues have been suggested by the South American media, with Miami, Paraguay's capital Asuncion and the United Arab Emirates among the possible candidates.

It has also been reported that Boca formally asked CONMEBOL to disqualify River Plate and award them the trophy – a request the confederation has appeared to decline.

Crowd trouble in South American football is hardly new and the two legs of the final were scheduled to be played without away fans, as their safety could not be guaranteed.

But the scenes from the weekend were deeply embarrassing for Argentinian football, particularly as the country hopes to lead a joint bid for the 2030 World Cup with Paraguay and Uruguay, a tournament that England, Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales would like to host, too.

https://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/boca-juniors/news/copa-libertadores-final-to-be-completed-outside-argentina-on-december-8-or-9_342668.html

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Asuncion: Bad idea, it's close to Argentina, has a lot of Boca and River fans locally and Defensores del Chaco, the national stadium has the pitch right next to the stands, making it easy for fans to throw things onto the field.

Lima: Another bad idea, the police here is extremely paranoid and doesn't allow anything. Games here from teams with no fans have been labeled as "high risk" because of the constant crowd trouble within big teams. Not a ton of Boca and River fans here but the whole security thing is an issue.

Santiago: Close to Argentina but at least everything works, with a good police force and the closest to a developed country in South America. I think I'd put this in the middle.

Santa Cruz de la Sierra: Same as Asuncion

Medellin: This would be my pick. It's far from Argentina and Colombians are generally not too violent when it comes to football. They know how to behave and it's not in extreme conditions like high altitude or big heat.

Venezuela: Only reason to do it anywhere here would be because nobody would go, otherwise it would be a bad idea.

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If the Azteca pitch/stadium wasn't in such a mess, it would be a great venue befitting the occasion.

Maybe out of the box a little, but Atlanta might be a very good place for it. Great transport links, great stadium and a great appitite for football in the city.

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If the Azteca pitch/stadium wasn't in such a mess, it would be a great venue befitting the occasion.

Maybe out of the box a little, but Atlanta might be a very good place for it. Great transport links, great stadium and a great appitite for football in the city.

Nah, altitude mate.

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