The Artful Dodger Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Shaqiri has been poor, first touch off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan Posted January 7, 2019 Author Administrator Share Posted January 7, 2019 1 minute ago, RandoEFC said: Not watching but surely this is a huge risk from Klopp? The league is hardly nailed on and anyone could win the Champions League. Got to win a trophy at some point, especially with the money spent this summer, not that I suppose the FA Cup really fits the bill, but if Liverpool end this season empty handed... how long can you say "we're building something" before you need a trophy to show for it. There's no denying Liverpool have bigger fish to fry, but plenty of successful trophy winning runs, most of them in fact, start with a League Cup or an FA Cup... seems early to put all your eggs in one basket (well two but y'know). Is a draw and a subsequent replay a worst case scenario? I was genuinely surprised to hear at the start of the game it's been 13 years without a major trophy for them. Really didn't think it'd been that long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFCMadLad Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Here we go again, fans of other clubs being more obsessed about us winning something than our own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Artful Dodger Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Massive pressure on Brighton at the weekend, if they don't win that then it could become a downward spiral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFCMadLad Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Brilliant piece of play from 16year old Hoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan Posted January 7, 2019 Author Administrator Share Posted January 7, 2019 5 minutes ago, LFCMadLad said: Here we go again, fans of other clubs being more obsessed about us winning something than our own. Oh fuck off mate . It's normal conversation in a game/competition your team are involved in?! It's not an 'obsession'. An obsession would be talking about Liverpool not winning something in a game that doesn't involve you further down the line. Give over. It's a legit talking point anyway. Hardly anything bad being said about it. Don't flatter yourself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber RandoEFC+ Posted January 7, 2019 Subscriber Share Posted January 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, LFCMadLad said: Here we go again, fans of other clubs being more obsessed about us winning something than our own. Any team in the world who spends the money Liverpool have this summer on a team that already reached a Champions League final last season and whose fans seem to profess that half of their starting line-up would make the World XI to boot are going to have the question asked. There's one match on in whole country tonight so not exactly an obsession to ask a question on a football forum about one of the two teams winning the competition in which they're playing tonight? It's just a question. Obviously nobody will care about the FA Cup if you win the title or Champions League, but IF the title challenge fades and you get knocked out of Europe in say the quarter finals, is it not fair to say you might then wish you'd have kept the FA Cup ticking over in the background? Granted, Wolves away in the third round isn't exactly a generous draw in order to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFCMadLad Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Just now, Stan said: Oh fuck off mate . It's normal conversation in a game/competition your team are involved in?! It's not an 'obsession'. An obsession would be talking about Liverpool not winning something in a game that doesn't involve you further down the line. Give over. It's a legit talking point anyway. Hardly anything bad being said about it. Don't flatter yourself Wasn't aimed at you, just the two who bring it up repeatedly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 I'd rather us win this bloody game and into the fourth round than throw it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFCMadLad Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Just now, Rick said: I'd rather us win this bloody game and into the fourth round than throw it. Same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burning Gold Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 16 minutes ago, RandoEFC said: Not watching but surely this is a huge risk from Klopp? The league is hardly nailed on and anyone could win the Champions League. Got to win a trophy at some point, especially with the money spent this summer, not that I suppose the FA Cup really fits the bill, but if Liverpool end this season empty handed... how long can you say "we're building something" before you need a trophy to show for it. There's no denying Liverpool have bigger fish to fry, but plenty of successful trophy winning runs, most of them in fact, start with a League Cup or an FA Cup... seems early to put all your eggs in one basket (well two but y'know). Is a draw and a subsequent replay a worst case scenario? The FA Cup simply doesn't matter to the people who decide whether he keeps his job. They sacked Kenny after he took us to the final and they sacked Rodgers shortly after he took us to the semis. The league and Champions League aren't just priorities, they're the only criteria against which he's judged. Barring a monumental fuck up, this season already represents massive progress as we got over two-thirds of last season's points tally in half the games. Winning the FA Cup wouldn't even register on the radar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan Posted January 7, 2019 Author Administrator Share Posted January 7, 2019 1 minute ago, LFCMadLad said: Wasn't aimed at you, just the two who bring it up repeatedly. fair enough. Still think at this moment it's a legit talking point, even if it is repeatedly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFCMadLad Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 4 minutes ago, Stan said: fair enough. Still think at this moment it's a legit talking point, even if it is repeatedly... It is legit but how many times now have we heard "how long without a trophy before Klopp comes under pressure"? It's been discussed time and time again When will they accept that Klopp is absolutely loved by all at Liverpool and as long as we are doing what we're doing, he'll be under no pressure at all. Its like they are totally obsessed with Klopp being under pressure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber RandoEFC+ Posted January 7, 2019 Subscriber Share Posted January 7, 2019 Just now, Burning Gold said: The FA Cup simply doesn't matter to the people who decide whether he keeps his job. They sacked Kenny after he took us to the final and they sacked Rodgers shortly after he took us to the semis. The league and Champions League aren't just priorities, they're the only criteria against which he's judged. Barring a monumental fuck up, this season already represents massive progress and we got two-thirds of last season's points tally in half the games. Winning the FA Cup wouldn't even register on the radar Took us to the final, took us to the semis, I'm not talking about that, I'm talking about winning silverware. If it's true that a club the size of Liverpool have gone 13 years without a major trophy, though I'm pretty sure whoever posted that is excluding the League Cup v Cardiff? which should still count, I find it baffling that you can not be arsed about winning any trophy whether it's the Champions League or the Community Shield. I'm also not talking about the owners and who decides whether Klopp keeps his job. I'm talking about the fans and even the players. Winning trophies matters and if you pull on a Liverpool shirt or manage Liverpool, you should be expected to go and win trophies, regardless of what the owners' agendas are. As to the last sentence, in the event that you don't win the league or the Champions League, of course the FA Cup would register on the radar, even for the owners. They'd be mad not to take into account "biggest trophy the club has won in 13 years" when assessing any measure of club progress under Klopp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluewolf Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Well played Wolves... deserved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFCMadLad Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 1 minute ago, RandoEFC said: Took us to the final, took us to the semis, I'm not talking about that, I'm talking about winning silverware. If it's true that a club the size of Liverpool have gone 13 years without a major trophy, though I'm pretty sure whoever posted that is excluding the League Cup v Cardiff? which should still count, I find it baffling that you can not be arsed about winning any trophy whether it's the Champions League or the Community Shield. I'm also not talking about the owners and who decides whether Klopp keeps his job. I'm talking about the fans and even the players. Winning trophies matters and if you pull on a Liverpool shirt or manage Liverpool, you should be expected to go and win trophies, regardless of what the owners' agendas are. As to the last sentence, in the event that you don't win the league or the Champions League, of course the FA Cup would register on the radar, even for the owners. They'd be mad not to take into account "biggest trophy the club has won in 13 years" when assessing any measure of club progress under Klopp. Weve all had this discussion approximately 658 times already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Yeah I'm not fucking pleased about that. Klopp made too many changes for the game, even if it isn't top priority it's still the FA cup. Disappointing to see that sort of attitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 10 minutes ago, LFCMadLad said: Wasn't aimed at you, just the two who bring it up repeatedly. 21 minutes ago, Cicero said: As long as it takes evidently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6666 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Keita seems like a waste of money so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFCMadLad Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Just now, Cicero said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFCMike Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, RandoEFC said: Took us to the final, took us to the semis, I'm not talking about that, I'm talking about winning silverware. If it's true that a club the size of Liverpool have gone 13 years without a major trophy, though I'm pretty sure whoever posted that is excluding the League Cup v Cardiff? which should still count, I find it baffling that you can not be arsed about winning any trophy whether it's the Champions League or the Community Shield. I'm also not talking about the owners and who decides whether Klopp keeps his job. I'm talking about the fans and even the players. Winning trophies matters and if you pull on a Liverpool shirt or manage Liverpool, you should be expected to go and win trophies, regardless of what the owners' agendas are. As to the last sentence, in the event that you don't win the league or the Champions League, of course the FA Cup would register on the radar, even for the owners. They'd be mad not to take into account "biggest trophy the club has won in 13 years" when assessing any measure of club progress under Klopp. Of course winning trophies matters but the problem with the FA Cup is it starts right after an intense period of league football over Christmas. If you have something to play for in the league or are in a great position then of course you're going to rotate in this because it's the first opportunity to do so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 1 minute ago, 6666 said: Keita seems like a waste of money so far. He's had a couple of injuries but I agree he's not looking too smart so far. I still reckon he will come good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber RandoEFC+ Posted January 7, 2019 Subscriber Share Posted January 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, LFCMadLad said: It is legit but how many times now have we heard "how long without a trophy before Klopp comes under pressure"? It's been discussed time and time again When will they accept that Klopp is absolutely loved by all at Liverpool and as long as we are doing what we're doing, he'll be under no pressure at all. Itsblike they are totally obsessed with Klopp being under pressure This happens with literally every club in the country. The Mourinho witch hunt, while justified, has basically been going on from the day he took over at Old Trafford with Liverpool fans often at the heart of it, Wenger got battered all the time when he went through that phase of winning no trophies for 7 years or whatever it was, Poch despite clearly being a world class manager gets trolled because he's never won a trophy, Sarri doesn't seem to get it as much because most people are too ill-informed to know he's never won a major trophy but people who are aware of that also bring it up when discussing his suitability as Chelsea manager. Even outside the top six, there's a widespread media obsession with managers being under pressure at any club. Basically all major betting companies have markets on which is the next manager gets sacked, we even have a thread on it which I believe is stickied and I'm amongst the worst for debating whether it will be Puel, Mourinho or Wagner to be the next to get the bullet, because we're all simpletons who thrive off of the theatre of which managers might come under pressure and who might get sacked next, and who might replace them so we can start hounding them too. So yeah, it's not just Klopp. I also criticised Marco Silva for fielding a rotated side in the League Cup game we got knocked out in earlier this season because Everton can't afford to go pissing away one of the two slightly less impossible chances of a trophy each season as we haven't won anything since 1995. Doesn't mean I thought it should mean he's instantly under pressure either. It really is just a discussion point and nothing more. Yet . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Artful Dodger Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Klopp won't be under any pressure for a long time, the fans love him and when a a manager is popular at Anfield it takes a lot for them to turn. Think he's fucked up here though. Not necessarily because they've gone out but the atmosphere has turned from one of positivity to doubt and worry after 2 consecutive losses. I think winning tonight would have been the perfect tonic for losing last week. Then he can throw the next game if it's so important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFCMike Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 1 minute ago, The Artful Dodger said: Klopp won't be under any pressure for a long time, the fans love him and when a a manager is popular at Anfield it takes a lot for them to turn. Think he's fucked up here though. Not necessarily because they've gone out but the atmosphere has turned from one of positivity to doubt and worry after 2 consecutive losses. I think winning tonight would have been the perfect tonic for losing last week. Then he can throw the next game if it's so important. I don't agree. A team made up of three kids and largely fringe players isn't going to affect the team that plays on Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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