Dr. Gonzo Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 I think Barca going out of their way to piss selling clubs off is going to come back to bite them. Their scorched earth transfer policy has already led to us being petty enough to include a clause in Coutinho's contract where if we agree a fee with Barca and they want to buy another of our players for three years, they have to add another £100m to what's agreed (which I think is hilarious). They failed to sign Rodrygo as well and the club/player both cited the way Barca operated as why Barca's offer wasn't considered... while Real Madrid did get to speak with the player and ultimately sign him. So they lost out on a player they wanted to their biggest rival. So that's Santos not wanting to be bullied by "Mes Que Un Club" If you piss enough people off with the way you operate, then you might find nobody ever wanting to do business with you because you've set up such a shite reputation for yourself. And then they'd still be able to make big signings thanks to Spain's release clauses, but it's not great from a business perspective. And if you get a unified front against dealing with you, that's going to significantly shrink the overall player market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber RandoEFC+ Posted July 7, 2019 Subscriber Share Posted July 7, 2019 The thing is I, and probably many others, wouldn't turn my nose up as much at Barcelona and their shithousey transfer market tactics if their fans and former players didn't talk about the club as if they're some sort of holier than thou religious institution with a divine right to do whatever they want because they're "more than a club". I can also barely be arsed hitting post on this because I know I'm going to come back tomorrow to 3 or 4 notifications of the usual suspects quoting me somehow trying to justify the way they act towards transfer dealings with some bizarre warped logic that these otherwise sensible people wouldn't dream of applying to any situation other than defending FC Barcelona, and probably citing PSG and possibly Real Madrid as worse offenders as if that somehow scrubs out Barcelona's repeated tapping up and sneaky media leaks through former players to unsettle their targets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, RandoEFC said: The thing is I, and probably many others, wouldn't turn my nose up as much at Barcelona and their shithousey transfer market tactics if their fans and former players didn't talk about the club as if they're some sort of holier than thou religious institution with a divine right to do whatever they want because they're "more than a club". I can also barely be arsed hitting post on this because I know I'm going to come back tomorrow to 3 or 4 notifications of the usual suspects quoting me somehow trying to justify the way they act towards transfer dealings with some bizarre warped logic that these otherwise sensible people wouldn't dream of applying to any situation other than defending FC Barcelona, and probably citing PSG and possibly Real Madrid as worse offenders as if that somehow scrubs out Barcelona's repeated tapping up and sneaky media leaks through former players to unsettle their targets. Well now you'll get a notification from someone quoting you to say, I think you're 100% right. @SirBalon is right... pretty much everyone does it. And all top league clubs bully smaller league clubs the same way, we just don't give as much of a fuck because nobody else seems to publicly do it at the level Barca does. Has any club ever done something like what they'd done with Fabregas, spending 2 years talking about how much he's got Barca DNA and born to play at Barca - having current Barca players force their kit on him when they won the World Cup, to signal how it should happen? Arsenal and their fans were rightly fuming, I've never seen any club ever do anything like that, so even if other clubs are egregious offenders I don't think any club can be described as arrogant or brazen than Barca in that regard. It's like they don't give a fuck that it comes off as incredibly off putting. Whereas other clubs care more about bad press and when they're caught breaking the rules and pissing off a club, they agree to pay a premium or donate to charities on top of the transfer fee at the behest of the selling club (just a couple of examples from when we got caught breaching rules and got caught and pissed off the selling club pretty significantly). There's an effort from most clubs to try to end the transaction on good terms at the end of the day, because they're football clubs and there's a decent chance they'll do business again (especially if you're Southampton with us, apparently). Whereas the premium we've demanded from Barca after Coutinho was basically a clause saying "fuck off away from us for 3 years, unless you've got a ridiculous amount of cash alright?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScoRoss Posted July 10, 2019 Author Share Posted July 10, 2019 Seems Barcelona don't have enough cash to pay their employees on time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirBalon Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 Obviously bullshit but it is funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 Could Barcelona be getting cold feet on Griezmann? Are they going to struggle to find him, De jong and Neymar in the one summer window? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirBalon Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 According to practically every source in Spain FC Barcelona will be paying the buy-out clause for Antoine Griezmann tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 3 hours ago, SirBalon said: According to practically every source in Spain FC Barcelona will be paying the buy-out clause for Antoine Griezmann tomorrow. Tons of sources Barca have already paid at La Liga’s HQ and will announce the signing once it’s all certified Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirBalon Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Dr. Gonzo said: Tons of sources Barca have already paid at La Liga’s HQ and will announce the signing once it’s all certified Well at the moment I haven't heard or read anything from the sources I tend to follow. It could be as you say although I'm surprised they haven't said it earlier. Remember one thing... It can't be FC Barcelona depositing the amount of the buy-out clause at the LFP headquarters. It has to be the player himself (not even his agent) who hands over the cheque signed from himself and his bank account, the while point of a buy-out clause is so a footballer is treated in the same manner as any other employee from any other sector where they can free themselves from a contract at a compensatory penalty for their employer's loss. A buy-out clause has relation to the salary the person is earning, so Antoine will have had to go himself to pay the amount. The truth is that Griezmann arrived in Madrid last night after concluding his holiday in LA (USA) early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 @SirBalon you're happy with the signing of Griezmann? You think this is a good and necessary acquisition? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirBalon Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 13 minutes ago, Harry said: @SirBalon you're happy with the signing of Griezmann? You think this is a good and necessary acquisition? Barclona should've made this signing last summer had it not been for Griezmann's shananigans and narcissism in that embarrassing "The Decision" show. He is extremely important for the front line at Barça because not only is he incredibly talented as everyone knows, but something he has and is required is his fighting spirit where he runs his ares off and that's odd for an elite footballer these days. There's an added plus to his football which is he can play anywhere up frint from left to right to the centre if needed and can play in midfield as Simeone used him at times. He is a signing every club needs in my opinion. Now he's got to cut out those shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirBalon Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 So, as I thought... Nobody paid the buy-out clause yesterday. It was French newspaper 'L'Équipe' who misinterpreted the leaked news they'd been given which isn't that the buy-out clause had been paid but instead that FC Barcelona had transferred the €120m into Antoine Griezmann's account so as he can go to pay it himself as stipulated by Spanish fiscal worker's laws. Antoine Griezmann will announce to La Liga to open their headquarters today (the LFP are closed for holiday and open on Monday) so as to have the money deposited into the LFP's account and in so doing get the permission to free his legally binding contract to Atlético Madrid. Once the LFP validate the payment via the clause in the contract which the LFP have a copy off at their headquarters, they in turn will deposit the amount into Atlético Madrid's club account and that will activate the ending of the current contract which means Atleti will contact Griezmann's lawyer permission to got to the RFEF (Spanish FA) headquarters also in Madrid to be given the original official contract which is in possession there. This contract will be voided and terminanted by the RFEF and handed over to Griezmann's lawyer. Once the protocol of all of these actions have been executed which hopefully will all be done today, then Griezmann will be free to sign his new contract at FC Barcelona and the club will be permitted to officially anounce the transfer and signing of Antoine Griezmann for 5 years. So everyone is waiting for all of this to happen and for the France International to be presented on Monday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirBalon Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 Antoine Griezmann, Maud (his sister who is his agent) and Griezmann's lawyer arrived 20 minutes ago at the LFP headquarters where they will be depositing the €120m cheque and subsequently being given the permission to go to the RFEF headquarters to collect and terminate his official Atlético Madrid contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Fusion Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 Why does he has to terminate his contract? Can't Barcelona just pay his release clause to Atletico Madrid and sign him normally? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 23 minutes ago, Fusion said: Why does he has to terminate his contract? Can't Barcelona just pay his release clause to Atletico Madrid and sign him normally? Spanish football appears to consign this to be done in a more long-winded and pointlessly illogical way. There is a bank cheque which embarks on a journey similar to the Olympic torch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber Mel81x+ Posted July 12, 2019 Subscriber Share Posted July 12, 2019 I suppose it all has to do with routing and being the caretaker of the fiscal transaction as well. Stops clubs from saying stuff like "you didn't transfer it on time" and keeps the transfers legit as the governing body in the country is controlling it. So for a short period the player is the responsibility of the RFEF and no longer Atletico's responsibility until he is officially signed by Barcelona. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 It's a ridiculous way that it works really. When 100s of millions are involved, the idea of running around the city with a cheque seems very ancient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirBalon Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 41 minutes ago, Fusion said: Why does he has to terminate his contract? Can't Barcelona just pay his release clause to Atletico Madrid and sign him normally? That would constitute as a signing mate. The whole point of a release clause is a socialist ideal which means that someone has a method of terminating one's contract if they're unhappy where they work. It's a worker's right to be able to leave in any industry and obviously the penalty (the buy-out clause) will be related to the earnings of said player and his or her ability to pay with the penalty so as the employer recieves a justified valuation on the loss of a valuable employee. The theory behind it is a good one but obvioulsy in this day and age of so much money moving around and the confusion as to a player's worth, then it's all inside-out and without comprehension. Antoine Griezmann is one of the world's best footballers and his status is right up there with the best around right now so he's worth a hell of a lot more to Atleti than the €120m. His true value to Atlético Madrid will have been the original buy-out clause pre-1st of July which stood at €320m and the prices players are moving for right now at the high end without going into elite footballers. But on the "bright" side of this, it means Atlético Madrid have in effect signed possibly the future best player in the world (João Félix) for just €7m. They will be looking at it that way which is the correct way to see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirBalon Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 24 minutes ago, Harry said: Spanish football appears to consign this to be done in a more long-winded and pointlessly illogical way. There is a bank cheque which embarks on a journey similar to the Olympic torch. The cheque didn't really travel. Barcelona deposited thr €120m into Griezmann's bank account last night and Griezmann's lawyer went to pick-up the banker's cheque at the bank this morning where it's now travelled from Griezmann's house to the LFP headquarters. From there the LFP will deposit the €120m into Atlético Madrid's account. The mad bit is the acquisition of all the contracts of which there are four. The original is at the RFEF headquarters, copy one is at the LFP headquarters, copy two is in possession of Antoine and copy three Antoine's sister who is his agent. All four have to be united and terminated via the RFEF and then handed to FC Barcelona who will send the terminated copy to Atlético Madrid. That makes Antoine Griezmann a free agent and can decide his future with liberty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusion Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 11 minutes ago, SirBalon said: Barcelona deposited thr €120m into Griezmann's bank account last night and Griezmann's lawyer went to pick-up the banker's cheque at the bank this morning where it's now travelled from Griezmann's house to the LFP headquarters. If Griezmann was Greek, he would have taken that 120m from Barcelona and sign for another club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirBalon Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 7 minutes ago, Fusion said: If Griezmann was Greek, he would have taken that 120m from Barcelona and sign for another club. I've often thought about these things when buy-out clauses are executed in Spanish football and I think I've mentioned it before. If Griezmann or anyone else in that position were to infact take the money and keep it, they wouldn't actually be doing anything unlawful at all. The action made by the club depositing the money into the footballer's account is officially seen and legally executed as a gift so that there is no tax or VAT (IVA in Spain) applied. He could in effect sign for whoever he wants and that money is his. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirBalon Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 OFFICIAL! Antoine Griezmann signs for FC Barcelona! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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True Blue Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 I knew he would end there, he was linked with Barcelona since forever. Think he will be a good addition, he will have hell of an reception back at Atletico. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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