Should Religion Stop LGBT Lessons in School?

[MUFC]

Discuss.

[Stan]

No. 

[Smiley Culture]

Do they do LGBT lessons then? I take it it’s under the umbrella of what my school called PSHE/Citizenship. 

There’s a load of things schools should be teaching but don’t, which is a completely different discussion entirely. Let em teach it, it’s got to be more useful than Pythagoras’ Theory.

 

[tlr]

No. I could understand if they were teaching a bunch of Primary School kids about stuff that belongs in depths of Pornhub, but to say two blokes can love each other as a man and woman could should neither be earth-shattering nor controversial; given how most kids that age are so open-minded and unassuming I doubt more than one or to of them would even dwell upon it. You only need to take one look at the mental ill health, attempts at taking life and other such stats amongst young LGBT people to see how we need to do more, not less, if anything, to bring LGBT (and ethnicity, gender, any other demographic) up earlier in life and make sure every kid is taught that whatever someone's skin colour is, accent, who they fuck or whatever else, that is simply them being themselves and it is no more or less of an existence than anyone else's.

[RandoEFC+]

28 minutes ago, Smiley Culture said:

Do they do LGBT lessons then? I take it it’s under the umbrella of what my school called PSHE/Citizenship. 

There’s a load of things schools should be teaching but don’t, which is a completely different discussion entirely. Let em teach it, it’s got to be more useful than Pythagoras’ Theory.

 

Pythagoras' Theorem thanks .

From what I've seen, this debate centres more around whether primary schools (mostly) should use books where there are same sex couples or single parent families rather than your stereotypical Mum Dad baby story books. I don't see any problem with that and I've not seen anyone trying to argue that we should start directly teaching kids about same sex relationships and sex changes that early on in their lives.

Really LGBT education, that comes later on, is one of those things that should come from parents and carers at home but so many kids come from backgrounds now where their basic emotional and educational needs, from learning to tie their shoelaces or count to ten to learning about race, sexism and equality, aren't met. Its starting to become a thing that is taught in schools.

Kids learn too many of these things now through pop culture, the news or overhearing the often uneducated opinions of their relatives or other people they spend time around, when they really need to be taught properly about equality and how people are different in a setting where they can ask questions that allow them to fully form opinions and understand what they're talking about.

Its terrifying how ignorant, naive, and occasionally bigoted some of the 14-16 year olds I've come across since I started teaching are when it comes to current affairs when you think about how soon it is they'll be of voting age.

[Harry]

1 hour ago, MUFC said:

Discuss.

Your thread title is vague as fuck. 

[Azeem]

The whole World is going authoritarian, in Denmark probably they have taken kids from their parents more like kidnapped them who refused to send their kids to these classes.

[MUFC]

 

[SirBalon]

It’s simple...

Nothing should stop telling children of the existence of LGBT people. That’s what it’s about and anyone opposing this fits right into where we are right now.

[MUFC]

Has it been taught on the sly in schools?

[SirBalon]

40 minutes ago, Azeem said:

The whole World is going authoritarian, in Denmark probably they have taken kids from their parents more like kidnapped them who refused to send their kids to these classes.

Authoritarian is quite the opposite. 

[MUFC]

Bummings.

[Danny]

Gay people exist, trans people exist. Trying to deny their existence by refusing to teach about them just creates ignorant shitheads.

[CaaC (John)+]

I would prefer discussion's about religion than ladies feet. 

[CaaC (John)+]

Religion is a History lesson to me, it's events that happened many moons ago, you can have your own conclusions like me that God spelt backwards is Dog and the ancient Egyptians would worship dogs as there Gods, saying that there has been and still is more wars and destruction over religion, and the Church organizations all over the world have more money in their coffers due to donations from believers and other sources and that is a part of Science and History studies at school.

So why should they stop Religion lessons at school? some religious people believe in abortions some do not, some people believe in Homosexuals should be given the right what they believe in some people don't and all this is, as far as I know, is discussed at school in lessons today which can involve around the religious beliefs of do's or do not's.

 

[The Artful Dodger]

Absolutely not. This is an important battle that the state must not shy away from.

[Azeem]

12 hours ago, Danny said:

Gay people exist, trans people exist. Trying to deny their existence by refusing to teach about them just creates ignorant shitheads.

It probably won't be like simply kids learning about different sex as you put it like they learn about different species in science classes rather they are gonna be teaching 11/10 years old to understand his/her sexuality at an age that is even non-existent at that time at the hands of people that aren't even qualified as a teacher let alone teaching sexuality which in result would be confusing these kids.

[Danny]

26 minutes ago, Azeem said:

It probably won't be like simply kids learning about different sex as you put it like they learn about different species in science classes rather they are gonna be teaching 11/10 years old to understand his/her sexuality at an age that is even non-existent at that time at the hands of people that aren't even qualified as a teacher let alone teaching sexuality which in result would be confusing these kids.

No it won’t.

[Azeem]

Just now, Danny said:

No it won’t.

That will happen, they will be doing skit and plays at schools where the kid struggles with his sexuality etc like that Queer kid stuff on YouTube

And besides if a 10 year old kid asks you while teaching homosexuality that Mr.Danny i think I'm also gay, what will be you're response ? Are you qualified enough to handle that or majority of the people that will be teaching these subjects ?

 

[SirBalon]

8 minutes ago, Azeem said:

That will happen, they will be doing skit and plays at schools where the kid struggles with his sexuality etc like that Queer kid stuff on YouTube

And besides if a 10 year old kid asks you while teaching homosexuality that Mr.Danny i think I'm also gay, what will be you're response ? Are you qualified enough to handle that or majority of the people that will be teaching these subjects ?

 

There is nothing to handle and nothing to say to a young person groing up when they make a statement like; "I think I'm gay" simply for the same reason that if a young person tells a teacher; "I think I'm hetrosexual (straight)" requires any therapy of sorts from someone more senior.

Why?

Because it's normal, it's a personal human evolution that unwinds itself of its own accord. As long as the acceptance of existence is understood and becomes seamless, then there need be no tuition of any sort. 

[Azeem]

3 minutes ago, SirBalon said:

There is nothing to handle and

The idea of an 10-11 year old talking about whether he/she is hetro or homo sexual is robbing the child of his innocence and throwing the child in the complex world of adulthood.

And besides the reservations i mentioned in my first post are there for a lot of parents. 

[Stan]

2 minutes ago, Azeem said:

The idea of an 10-11 year old talking about whether he/she is hetro or homo sexual is robbing the child of his innocence and throwing the child in the complex world of adulthood.

And besides the reservations i mentioned in my first post are there for a lot of parents. 

How does it rob them of their innocence? Surely you'd only have that thinking if you think there's something wrong with homosexuality in the first place. 

There's a couple of gay people I know that have said they knew they were gay from a very early age, like 7 or 8 years old. 

I'm not sure what innocence is robbed from them by realising they are gay at 10/11? If anything it might help them having someone to discuss it with and feeling less pressure on themselves having it all bottled up and hidden. 

[Azeem]

Just now, Stan said:

How does it rob them of their innocence? Surely you'd only have that thinking if you think there's something wrong with homosexuality in the first place. 

By exposing them to topics at such a young age about sexuality which is said in my first post, its equally weird for me for a 7 year old boy to say he is attracted towards that girl than to say he is gay.  

There's a couple of gay people I know that have said they knew they were gay from a very early age, like 7 or 8 years old. 

We can debate on this forever whether its all natural or not......

I'm not sure what innocence is robbed from them by realising they are gay at 10/11? If anything it might help them having someone to discuss it with and feeling less pressure on themselves having it all bottled up and hidden. 

 

[SirBalon]

52 minutes ago, Azeem said:

The idea of an 10-11 year old talking about whether he/she is hetro or homo sexual is robbing the child of his innocence and throwing the child in the complex world of adulthood.

And besides the reservations i mentioned in my first post are there for a lot of parents. 

You're not catching the essence of what I'm trying to explain to you or maybe I'm not explaining it well.

But first of all I want to take up the point on "parents" in this issue. Since when have parents (I am a parent by the way) become curriculum setters. Parents have no say and ahould NEVER have any say on how the school curriculum is made up because that is why we have schools as that is a profession created specifically for the instruction of people growing from childhood into adults. Experts that understand to perfection the stages of mental development and when to execute individual pieces of information and their corresponding complexities. If you have a problem with curriculums, then do home tuition and choose yourself how to instruct your child.

What innocence are you talking about?

Personal sexual sentiments and sensations are a natural mental and biological evolution in each individual human being. There is no tuition in any school in Europe at least (that I know of) that tries to groom a child into swaying their sexual tendencies? There is no innocence,  there is only factual growth stages here and the LGBT issue is to rob bigots of their hold on intolerance and transfer the acceptance of existence with nothing else to add. Once we accept a seamless existence of a particular natural occurrence, then we don't dwell on it thus obtaining a result of equal understanding and forward thought processes. I hope that has been easy to understand this time and I am in no way meaning to be condescending if that's how it's come across because maybe as I said at the start of this post, I haven't explained myself well previously.

 

As for your latter answer to a further post from @Stan on whether being homosexual is natural... There is your block on this in my view because there is no debate to be had. It IS totally and completely NATURAL. No debates can be ever entertained anymore on the iffs and buts on things like these because there are none.

But seeing as this is an open forum and if at all possible to maintain respect to every member on the forum, I would be willing to partake in such a debate with you in the attempt to help you see that there is absolutely no debate to be had on something natural being interpreted as a possible unatural sentiment.

[Danny]

1 hour ago, Azeem said:

That will happen, they will be doing skit and plays at schools where the kid struggles with his sexuality etc like that Queer kid stuff on YouTube

And besides if a 10 year old kid asks you while teaching homosexuality that Mr.Danny i think I'm also gay, what will be you're response ? Are you qualified enough to handle that or majority of the people that will be teaching these subjects ?

 

We happily push heterosexuality onto children from birth, if a child says they’re gay then let them be gay.