Subscriber RandoEFC+ 7,662 Posted November 26, 2017 Subscriber Share Posted November 26, 2017 So going back to this, Niasse today faced the first of his two games on the sidelines for what was apparently a clear dive. Although I stated that you see worse dives than that every weekend and that Niasse has been made an example of because he and his managerless club are an easy target, some people disagreed. Well, here we are one weekend of fixtures later and Fernandinho has done this: Unfortunately, the referee saw this one (probably because the dive is about 10 times worse than what Niasse did last weekend) so Fernandinho will get a yellow card and remain available for Man City's upcoming fixtures. There you have it folks, the FA tackling diving and trying to make the game more fair for everyone. I actually wish City had won a free kick here so that they could prove me right about how they wouldn't have the balls to slap a top six player with a ban for it but there will be plenty more times before the end of the season to tick that box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan 18,383 Posted November 26, 2017 Administrator Share Posted November 26, 2017 I heard a good point during commentary that why does a player get a yellow card in the game for being caught diving, but then gets a 2-match ban retrospectively if the ref gets it wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber RandoEFC+ 7,662 Posted November 26, 2017 Subscriber Share Posted November 26, 2017 8 minutes ago, Stan said: I heard a good point during commentary that why does a player get a yellow card in the game for being caught diving, but then gets a 2-match ban retrospectively if the ref gets it wrong? See above, a mess of a rule. They either need to add a yellow card to the players count retrospectively or make diving a straight red offence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan 18,383 Posted November 26, 2017 Administrator Share Posted November 26, 2017 when do we find out if players will get punished for possible dives? Wondering if we'll see Ayew getting done. Ref didn't give a free-kick or booking or anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 I am against diving. But I do agree that sometimes players need to go down otherwise they wouldn't get a penalty that they should get. But when they dive like tom dailey that is to much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Palace Fan 3,402 Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 It amazed me how many players tried to deceive an official this weekend despite Niasse being suspended for it. If Zaha has learned to stop this season then there's really no excuse for anybody to still be doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber Dan+ 1,918 Posted November 27, 2017 Subscriber Share Posted November 27, 2017 Andre Ayew didn't get a penalty nor a booking - surely he's deceived the official by not getting booked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Palace Fan 3,402 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Given Lukaku got away with multiple attempts on Bong and the stamp previously on Lovren I think it's hot a stage where we need to review all review panels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick 2,276 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 It shouldnt be a two game ban if the on field punishment is only a yellow. How utterly fucking retarded the FA are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Palace Fan 3,402 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 If Lanzini isnt banned then the panel needs to be folded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadLinesman 5,938 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 1 hour ago, The Palace Fan said: If Lanzini isnt banned then the panel needs to be folded. Indeed. Pieters clearly pulled out of making any contact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inverted 1,776 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 The Lanzini one is even more baffling because the ref looked in a good position. He wasnt really behind Pieters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honey Honey 3,767 Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 A two game ban is nothing when they got 3 points in a big relegation battle. Teams at the bottom average 1 point a game at the end of the season. That's 3 games worth of points for a dive. They'll take that. The ban was supposed to shame divers, shame the club of the diver. They'll not give a shit here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan 18,383 Posted December 18, 2017 Administrator Share Posted December 18, 2017 Lanzini has been charged with diving against Stoke at the weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Palace Fan 3,402 Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 5 hours ago, Stan said: Lanzini has been charged with diving against Stoke at the weekend. It's been a laugh watching Moyes try and defend him. He went down because of fatigue? Brilliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan 18,383 Posted December 18, 2017 Administrator Share Posted December 18, 2017 14 minutes ago, The Palace Fan said: It's been a laugh watching Moyes try and defend him. He went down because of fatigue? Brilliant. hadn't seen those comments but that is pathetic and is part of the problem. I'm all for defending players and managers having their players' backs. but sometimes you can't hide from the truth and it's even worse when you get pathetic excuses like that thrown around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber Dan+ 1,918 Posted December 19, 2017 Subscriber Share Posted December 19, 2017 Interesting comment by Durham earlier. Ndidi will serve a one match ban for diving (and that's because he's already on a yellow) while Lanzini will serve two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan 18,383 Posted December 19, 2017 Administrator Share Posted December 19, 2017 7 hours ago, Dan said: Interesting comment by Durham earlier. Ndidi will serve a one match ban for diving (and that's because he's already on a yellow) while Lanzini will serve two. isn't it more to do with the retrospective action angle, not whether you're on a booking or not in a game? It was touched on earlier that you could get booked for diving in a game and not serve a ban, but retrospective action means you serve a two game ban. The principle is right that you should get punished but the 'execution' of the punishment is wrong given that there's different lengths of bans for effectively the same offence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Palace Fan 3,402 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 2 hours ago, Stan said: isn't it more to do with the retrospective action angle, not whether you're on a booking or not in a game? It was touched on earlier that you could get booked for diving in a game and not serve a ban, but retrospective action means you serve a two game ban. The principle is right that you should get punished but the 'execution' of the punishment is wrong given that there's different lengths of bans for effectively the same offence. The difference is Leicester City haven't benefited from any deception whilst sides that have decepted the ref have potentially influenced the table and when it's tight margins I'd argue that the punishment isn't severe enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan 18,383 Posted December 19, 2017 Administrator Share Posted December 19, 2017 2 hours ago, The Palace Fan said: The difference is Leicester City haven't benefited from any deception whilst sides that have decepted the ref have potentially influenced the table and when it's tight margins I'd argue that the punishment isn't severe enough. yeah I agree. Either way, the punishments need to be the same. Why is it 'fair' that if you get booked during a game, you only get a yellow? But if it's seen retrospectively, it turns in to a 2 game ban? Either you make it a straight red with 2 game ban during the match, or reduce it retrospectively by adding a booking to that player's tally. Or you meet halfway and if caught diving in the match you get a 1 game ban, and if caught retrospectively, it's also a 1 game ban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Palace Fan 3,402 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Alternatively give him a yellow and if he has been proven to dive he gets a two game ban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber Dan+ 1,918 Posted December 19, 2017 Subscriber Share Posted December 19, 2017 2 hours ago, The Palace Fan said: Alternatively give him a yellow and if he has been proven to dive he gets a two game ban. I'd agree with that to be fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber RandoEFC+ 7,662 Posted December 19, 2017 Subscriber Share Posted December 19, 2017 The thing is, diving is disgraceful and it needs to be cracked down on. However, if I play devil's advocate, I'm sat here asking why players are getting two match suspensions for going down too easily when you've got the likes of Kane and Alli this weekend (not that I mean to pick on one team, just the most recent example) seeing no retrospective punishment for what could have resulted in serious injuries for opponents? There's a whole can of worms here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluewolf 7,161 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 I would take this one step further and dock teams points if they have gained them through foul or deceptive means... They wont ever do this of course because too many big clubs will be blubbing their eyes out but if a player gains a penalty by deception and then that team goes on to win the game because of it I would null and void that penalty and what ever remains is the result.. ie: If a teams are level at 0-0 then go on to score a penalty through deceptive means and win the game then I would reverse the goal and it would end 0-0 rather than 1-0 I don't see how 2 games out for 1 player for most clubs in the league is a big issue these days.. they can afford to take the hit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Palace Fan 3,402 Posted December 27, 2017 Share Posted December 27, 2017 Callum Wilson told the referee and linesman on boxing day that he didn't touch the ball before claiming the goal as his once it was given. Can't get more deceiving than that. Surely a suspension is imminent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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