Machado Posted June 7, 2021 Posted June 7, 2021 4 hours ago, Ploughendplonker said: If it's a UK bookies it's tough to take the odds too seriously as the number of people having a patriotic punt on England naturally narrows down the odds. Would be interesting to see how high we are with bookies in other European nations. Most bookies had England or Belgium as favourites when I posted that. 9 months later, it's mostly France with the rare few like Betfair and Paddypower with England still ahead.
Cicero Posted June 7, 2021 Posted June 7, 2021 This Italian side have been functioning well on a team. I'd wager they're probably the best team in the tournament.
Spike Posted June 7, 2021 Posted June 7, 2021 I cannot support England from a moral or ethical point of view, so I hope Wales or Scotland wins because it'll be funny.
Dr. Gonzo Posted June 7, 2021 Posted June 7, 2021 I voted for France, Italy and Portugal because there was nothing stopping me from voting for all 3 of those
Ploughendplonker Posted June 7, 2021 Posted June 7, 2021 31 minutes ago, Machado said: Most bookies had England or Belgium as favourites when I posted that. 9 months later, it's mostly France with the rare few like Betfair and Paddypower with England still ahead. But the odds on England will always be short with UK bookies as there's loads of English people who will bet on England (like I'm sure people in France bet on the French, Germans on Germany, etc..). I'm not being pessimistic but surely France, Belgium, Italy are ahead of us. And surely we're not more fancied (by European journalists) more than Germany or Spain?
Dave Posted June 10, 2021 Posted June 10, 2021 I look at it in teirs at the minute: France, Belgium, Portugal and Italy are your top tier teams. You could argue a strong case now for any of them but they all have their flaws. England, Spain and Croatia are in the next teir. Teams in a stage of improvement that have too many faults in their starting xi to see them win it on paper but with a bit of good fortune could find themselves building momentum that sees them through. I'll be very surprised if anybody else wins it. The likes of Ukraine, Denmark or Turkey could go on to have really good tournaments in contrast to their international standing but its a big ask for any underdog to win it in this new format.
Administrator Stan Posted June 10, 2021 Administrator Posted June 10, 2021 14 minutes ago, The Palace Fan said: I look at it in teirs at the minute: France, Belgium, Portugal and Italy are your top tier teams. You could argue a strong case now for any of them but they all have their flaws. England, Spain and Croatia are in the next teir. Teams in a stage of improvement that have too many faults in their starting xi to see them win it on paper but with a bit of good fortune could find themselves building momentum that sees them through. I'll be very surprised if anybody else wins it. The likes of Ukraine, Denmark or Turkey could go on to have really good tournaments in contrast to their international standing but its a big ask for any underdog to win it in this new format. Where would you put Germany and Netherlands? I may be underrating Italy but I'd put them in the England/Spain tier. France/Belgium/Portugal definitely top tier though. I don't think Denmark have enough about them to progress deep in to the tournament.
Dave Posted June 10, 2021 Posted June 10, 2021 55 minutes ago, Stan said: Where would you put Germany and Netherlands? I may be underrating Italy but I'd put them in the England/Spain tier. France/Belgium/Portugal definitely top tier though. I don't think Denmark have enough about them to progress deep in to the tournament. Both Germany and Netherlands are on a downward trajectory due to poor leadership and the sooner new management enters the scene the better it will be for everybody concerned. Joachim Low is too busy sniffing his fingers after plucking his bum hairs on the touchline as opposed to making sensible tactical decisions and Frank de Boer was quite rightly dubbed by Jose Mourinho as the worst Manager ever. They may both be serious contenders for the World Cup, but the sooner they get this phase out the way the better.
Danny Posted June 10, 2021 Posted June 10, 2021 Worth money on Turkey getting to a semi-final imo, assuming they finish 2nd in their group they have a fairly decent run in and have the second youngest squad in the tournament with the lowest average minutes played by squad....so energy to burn whilst everyone else is already burnt out. Ukraine also.
Subscriber Dan+ Posted June 13, 2021 Subscriber Posted June 13, 2021 I put money on Italy pre-tournament. I may have picked France in the prediction league though so two strong bases covered
Subscriber Dan+ Posted June 13, 2021 Subscriber Posted June 13, 2021 England with 0 votes out of 24 on a largely English forum dear oh dear.
Administrator Stan Posted June 13, 2021 Administrator Posted June 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Dan said: England with 0 votes out of 24 on a largely English forum dear oh dear. We're not the best team so it's understandable. And don't have a manager seemingly capable of getting the best out of the attacking quality we have.
Devil-Dick Willie Posted June 13, 2021 Posted June 13, 2021 On 10/06/2021 at 18:45, The Palace Fan said: Both Germany and Netherlands are on a downward trajectory due to poor leadership and the sooner new management enters the scene the better it will be for everybody concerned. Joachim Low is too busy sniffing his fingers after plucking his bum hairs on the touchline as opposed to making sensible tactical decisions and Frank de Boer was quite rightly dubbed by Jose Mourinho as the worst Manager ever. They may both be serious contenders for the World Cup, but the sooner they get this phase out the way the better. Honestly, I think Germany or the Netherlands are more likely to accidentally win this tournament by accident with shite management than England are to do it with their best team in years.
Happy Blue Posted June 13, 2021 Posted June 13, 2021 On 07/06/2021 at 20:31, Spike said: I cannot support England from a moral or ethical point of view, so I hope Wales or Scotland wins because it'll be funny. Well you have mid table teams winning the Champions League so why not
Happy Blue Posted June 13, 2021 Posted June 13, 2021 Why's the voting secret? ..Foden & Kane will win it for England, football's coming home!
Dave Posted June 13, 2021 Posted June 13, 2021 7 hours ago, Devil-Dick Willie said: Honestly, I think Germany or the Netherlands are more likely to accidentally win this tournament by accident with shite management than England are to do it with their best team in years. Portugal winning it given how shit they were in the group stages shows anything is possible.
Cicero Posted July 12, 2021 Posted July 12, 2021 On 07/06/2021 at 14:22, Cicero said: This Italian side have been functioning well on a team. I'd wager they're probably the best team in the tournament.
Danny Posted July 12, 2021 Posted July 12, 2021 On 10/06/2021 at 12:24, Danny said: Worth money on Italy winning the whole thing imo.
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