Coronavirus (COVID-19) Outbreak

[Spike]

it is fucking pinhead from hellraiser 

Edited March 14, 2020 by Spike

[Azeem]

12 minutes ago, Spike said:

Once again the culprit speaks arabic

This one speaks English 

[Fairy In Boots]

7 hours ago, Stan said:

Oh that one. Yeah I heard about that. Didn't see it but have read about it. Think it was a shit and weak thing to say. Not really very supportive but then again this government hasn't ever really shown that so I wasn't too surprised 

And that Stan is why fake news exists, it’s 3-4 mins of Boris then the specialists. Yet rather than watch it and make up your own mind you’d rather read a edited version designed to drive click traffic. 

10 minutes ago, Harvsky said:

After the humiliation of the UK government response internationally and due to organisations taking action into their own hands, the government are now going to be taking more severe measures on Monday.

They're going to ban mass gatherings over a certain number, number to be decided this weekend. Recommendation is going to be work from home if possible. Other measures might also come out.

Panic has gripped the event organisers and the population we’re not where Italy are yet the whole plan is up in smoke

think sheeple, if our experts were correct and we hit the peak then the excess death may well be on our actions. Of course they could be wrong but we’ll never know now. 
 

Also I saw that China had donated lots of medical equipment to Italy but the EU has find the Italians for providing state aid to effected businesses. Yeah the EU gotta love it, you lot thought brexit was carnage

[Stan]

3 minutes ago, Fairy In Boots said:

And that Stan is why fake news exists, it’s 3-4 mins of Boris then the specialists. Yet rather than watch it and make up your own mind you’d rather read a edited version designed to drive click traffic. 

1 hour ago, Harvsky said:

My point still stands - telling people they'll lose loved ones before their time is a shit thing to say. Don't you agree? 

[Carnivore Chris]

1 hour ago, Azeem said:

I'm not sure, South America in general is never effected by whatever happens in rest of the world. People in Asia/poorer countries are more prone to bacterial infections and our immune system is different that of Europeans, living in sub hygienic conditions has raised our natural immunity, less exposure to outside world also

Environment also but countries like Lebanon, Greece, Cyprus who have a similar environment to Italy are much less effected so how they handled it is also a factor.

I won't draw a pattern for it, it might change it's epicenter again and seeing how Iran who has a great health care system in Asia and they have faced SARS and MERS who have a freaking high fatality rate quite a times has been such badly effected by this.

 

This has affected the North of Italy more than the South, which is more similar to Greece and Cyprus.

Also South America's cases are now rising, Brazil has now reached the 100s and once that happens, the amount of cases seem to grow and grow in no time. Spain, for example, has gone from just 3 cases to over 5,000 within weeks. South American countries are simply just a few weeks behind and will be hit as hard as anyone unfortunately. 

Likewise, England and Netherlands are simply just a week or 2 behind Spain, who are a week or 2 behind Italy. There seems to be a pattern and this is going to keep spreading.

Hopefully it doesn't hit Africa too badly either as they have enough to deal with already. Same with countries like Venezuela as Ricardo has mentioned. 

Edited March 14, 2020 by Carnivore Chris

[Honey Honey]

17 minutes ago, Fairy In Boots said:

Panic has gripped the event organisers and the population we’re not where Italy are yet the whole plan is up in smoke

 

It's simply a difference in mindset. You are reactive not proactive. It's wrong to assume proactivity is panic. 

[Fairy In Boots]

17 minutes ago, Stan said:

My point still stands - telling people they'll lose loved ones before their time is a shit thing to say. Don't you agree? 

No not really saying “I’ll level with you we can’t stop this and you will lose loved ones, this is the greatest public health emergency within a generation”  is frank honesty. Perhaps you’d have liked lies and “it’s just a sniffle” 

they made sensible points, closing schools would (although decrease the spread as kids are big spreaders) Mean that front line NHS staff are required to look after them, where as we need the NHS to manage this. 

It was all about how we manage the peak, we’re not where Italy are but it’s coming and if we can stay our hand until that point it leaves us best placed to handle the peak. The Italian model is to stop it completely but how long is that sustainable and what happens when it re-emerges? 

Uk strategy is that we’ve assumed we’re all going to get it so we want those least at risk to get it so we can manage infection rates against capacity. It’s risky but it’s also not as callous as being portrayed you can understand why when you watch it. 

its a massive problem with our society at present is that people can’t be bothered to listen to the information coming from the horses mouth and instead want click bait media shite with a vested interest in making people react a certain way. Frankly I think our media have been a disgrace so far over it and it’s no wonder you have people punching each other in Asda over bog roll and pasta. 

[Stan]

3 minutes ago, Fairy In Boots said:

No not really saying “I’ll level with you we can’t stop this and you will lose loved ones, this is the greatest public health emergency within a generation”  is frank honesty. Perhaps you’d have liked lies and “it’s just a sniffle” 

they made sensible points, closing schools would (although decrease the spread as kids are big spreaders) Mean that front line NHS staff are required to look after them, where as we need the NHS to manage this. 

It was all about how we manage the peak, we’re not where Italy are but it’s coming and if we can stay our hand until that point it leaves us best placed to handle the peak. The Italian model is to stop it completely but how long is that sustainable and what happens when it re-emerges? 

Uk strategy is that we’ve assumed we’re all going to get it so we want those least at risk to get it so we can manage infection rates against capacity. It’s risky but it’s also not as callous as being portrayed you can understand why when you watch it. 

its a massive problem with our society at present is that people can’t be bothered to listen to the information coming from the horses mouth and instead want click bait media shite with a vested interest in making people react a certain way. Frankly I think our media have been a disgrace so far over it and it’s no wonder you have people punching each other in Asda over bog roll and pasta. 

Perhaps I wouldn't have liked 'it's just a sniffle'. I didn't think it was a good thing to say. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Just my humble opinion which never seems to be allowed with you

Funnily enough when it was being discussed that the country wouldn't go on lock down I came round to the idea of not doing that and shutting down schools because kids are super carriers etc and would put even vulnerable people even more at risk. 

Telling people they're gonna die was hyperbolic in my oplnion. 

[Fairy In Boots]

3 minutes ago, Harvsky said:

It's simply a difference in mindset. You are reactive not proactive. It's wrong to assume proactivity is panic. 

It’s not proactive though if it’s working against official government strategy, it’s chucking a spanner in the works and forcing a recalibration of the plan. 
What’s said by the chief med & science officers is they’ve assumed we’ll all get it so they want events and schools to spread it amongst those least at risk to develop immunity. They’ve told the vulnerable to self isolate. 

the problem is to say this is politically and honestly is damaging, look at the way the media jumped on “loved ones will die” and stans reaction to prove this point. 

[Fairy In Boots]

1 minute ago, Stan said:

Perhaps I wouldn't have liked 'it's just a sniffle'. I didn't think it was a good thing to say. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Just my humble opinion which never seems to be allowed with you

Funnily enough when it was being discussed that the country wouldn't go on lock down I came round to the idea of not doing that and shutting down schools because kids are super carriers etc and would put even vulnerable people even more at risk. 

Telling people they're gonna die was hyperbolic in my oplnion. 

Nah it’s honest, the vulnerable will die from this it’s a global pandemic. i don’t quite think the population have fully come to terms with what is happening tbh. 

[Fairy In Boots]

Also has anyone watched Pandemic on Netflix? 
 

[Stan]

7 minutes ago, Fairy In Boots said:

Nah it’s honest, the vulnerable will die from this it’s a global pandemic. i don’t quite think the population have fully come to terms with what is happening tbh. 

But at a time when there's already panic and hysteria given what has happened around the world I think it was a misjudged thing to say. 

[RandoEFC+]

I think he was just being honest on this occasion. No problem with what he said.

I've seen a theory floated that I quite like about the government's behavioural science strategy pointing them in this direction. Underreact to the problem, prompting people to take it seriously and take action into their own hands. Rather than try and implement a bunch of serious measures and get kick back from the nay sayers who are still clinging to the 10000 die of flu every year line.

[DeadLinesman]

Went Asda. No biscuits, no pasta, no sauce, no milk. 
 

Fuck the human race.

[Honey Honey]

16 minutes ago, Fairy In Boots said:

It’s not proactive though if it’s working against official government strategy, it’s chucking a spanner in the works and forcing a recalibration of the plan. 
What’s said by the chief med & science officers is they’ve assumed we’ll all get it so they want events and schools to spread it amongst those least at risk to develop immunity. They’ve told the vulnerable to self isolate. 

the problem is to say this is politically and honestly is damaging, look at the way the media jumped on “loved ones will die” and stans reaction to prove this point. 

I don't follow the logic in how the behaviours aren't proactive. You're essentially saying the reactive have to recalibrate, but that they have to doesn't make an action no longer proactive, surely. Sounds more about obedience perhaps. You're simply never going to get obedience toward one approach in a culture like ours. The government could ramp up proactive requirements and still you'd get people ignoring it. 

[Honey Honey]

31 minutes ago, Fairy In Boots said:

Nah it’s honest, the vulnerable will die from this it’s a global pandemic. i don’t quite think the population have fully come to terms with what is happening tbh. 

There's no "the". We know vulnerable people will die. Your language is changing it to "the" vulnerable will die, which implies you can't prevent any of it. That is what you need people to believe to back the public policy you support. Thus it is arguably dishonest.

[Azeem]

12 minutes ago, DeadLinesman said:

Went Asda. No biscuits, no pasta, no sauce, no milk. 
 

Fuck the human race.

Only the fittest survive, rule of nature has always been like that the past 60-70 years were the exception were it was a bit relaxed 

[Fairy In Boots]

10 minutes ago, Stan said:

But at a time when there's already panic and hysteria given what has happened around the world I think it was a misjudged thing to say. 

As opposed to other world leaders that called it a hoax? 
there’s plenty to dig Boris out for, being honest and saying this is the chief medical officer and this is the chief science officer they’re going to explain the strategy I’m following their advice. But I have to be honest this is going to cause loved ones to die.

His honesty and sensible decision to put his faith in medical and science experts Is a world away from that, he’s handled this issue well tbh. 
 

it’s also what I find bizarre here, it’s medical and scientific experts calling the shots, yet people are prepared to question it citing no scientific evidence in most cases. I’m aware there’s conflicting scientific evidence to say aspects of the plan are risky but I find the hang up on Boris’s terminology bizarre. My sister is a Corbynite she reckons “it’s heartless Tories” 

the most vulnerable to this are 70+ and they’re almost all tory voters, people are thick
 

[Bluewolf]

8 minutes ago, DeadLinesman said:

Went Asda. No biscuits, no pasta, no sauce, no milk. 
 

Fuck the human race.

What's frustrating about all this panic buying is you are forced to pick up a little extra yourself just to make sure you have the bare essentials in the house while someone else sits on 20 packs of toilet rolls they will never need... Shame on the Retailers as well for cashing in and not controlling it, Only when the Government start taking measures do they then try and come across as being responsible... 

[Stan]

6 minutes ago, Fairy In Boots said:

As opposed to other world leaders that called it a hoax?

Well no obviously not. That's stupid on a much higher level. 

[DeadLinesman]

1 minute ago, Bluewolf said:

What's frustrating about all this panic buying is you are forced to pick up a little extra yourself just to make sure you have the bare essentials in the house while someone else sits on 20 packs of toilet rolls they will never need... Shame on the Retailers as well for cashing in and not controlling it, Only when the Government start taking measures do they then try and come across as being responsible... 

Exactly. I genuinely had no milk, no fresh pasta for lasagne and no bourbons. I’d like to find them and rip their throats out. Morons.

[Fairy In Boots]

8 minutes ago, Harvsky said:

There's no "the". We know vulnerable people will die. Your language is changing it to "the" vulnerable will die, which implies you can't prevent any of it. That is what you need people to believe to back the public policy you support. Thus it is arguably dishonest.

I think you’re over analysing the word “the”. 
If it doesn’t make sense it’s probably because I’m literally sat here policing  two toddlers while tapping away at my phone.  As far as I’m aware the mortality rate above 80s are approximately 15% percent obviously not all of the vulnerable die.

13 minutes ago, Harvsky said:

I don't follow the logic in how the behaviours aren't proactive. You're essentially saying the reactive have to recalibrate, but that they have to doesn't make an action no longer proactive, surely. Sounds more about obedience perhaps. You're simply never going to get obedience toward one approach in a culture like ours. The government could ramp up proactive requirements and still you'd get people ignoring it. 

It’s not proactive because in cancelling events goes against the plan in which is more of a managed infection so they can manage it. By cancelling events it’s affectively forcing their hand to go to Italy route. 

[Bluewolf]

2 hours ago, DeadLinesman said:

Exactly. I genuinely had no milk, no fresh pasta for lasagne and no bourbons. I’d like to find them and rip their throats out. Morons.

See this is how panic starts... We are low on milk and now I am worried there won't be any over the shop this morning when I go and if there is I am buying at least 40 pints to be safe... If I find any Bourbon biscuits I will get them and sell them to you for £5.50 a pack mate then I can get my medal for pretending to be community minded... 

Edited March 14, 2020 by Bluewolf

[RandoEFC+]

This is the best explanation I've read yet on the government's approach in the UK. 

Full thread.

[Honey Honey]

6 minutes ago, Fairy In Boots said:

It’s not proactive because in cancelling events goes against the plan in which is more of a managed infection so they can manage it. By cancelling events it’s affectively forcing their hand to go to Italy route. 

The behavioural science unit didn't expect unilateral and individual action in the country when consulting on the managed infection plan? 

Let's be honest, the government is having an absolute shocker.