American Politics Discussion

[Stan]

Someone has a bit of an obsession referencing BLM here

 

[Dr. Gonzo]

45 minutes ago, OrangeKhrush said:

the more you regulate something the more black markets arise.

I'm not sure that's true. Blanket bans lead to black markets - strong regulations typically create an actual legal market, which people are more inclined to use than do business with criminals.

Any ban on weapons/magazines isn't going to effectively change gun violence in the US - there's already so many guns out on the streets and the logistics of gun buyback programs in the US are so complicated it's just as unlikely as anything you could possibly imagine.

In America you don't even need a license to get a gun - so yeah, they should be looking to actually try to regulate gun ownership. But I'm not sure they can require a license for gun ownership under their constitution. Driving a car requires a license because you don't have the right to drive a car - it's a privilege. In the US, gun ownership is a right that is considered basically the second most important national value only to free speech.

[Azeem]

Thirteen people shot in Philadelphia 

[OrangeKhrush]

More on the erosion of America, the increasing(its not exaggerated if anything it's watered down) crime rates are by design not coincidence.

summary:

this guy is charged with over 40 robberies and let off thus incentivised, he has admitted to not getting caught a lot more and robbing the same shop 37 times, this guy is the Stephen Curry, Mo Salah of the perp game.

in other news a gay bar in Texas hosted a bring kids to drag show despite the laws stating no person under 21 is allowed.  big ol neon sign saying "it ain't gonna lick itself".   America is in big fucking trouble, so is Joe Biden who trends under 30% on so many talking points economy wise, across the board.

finally not even bill Maher is safe, calls to cancel the most based liberal ever, the same is happening to Brand but then again even Joe Rogan was targeted.   if you are just a normal liberal you are marked as far right these days lol

[Waylander]

For me having done A level history at school and having a friend that did a PHD who I discuss things with, there is a weird comparison.

In the early 30s you had two aspiring senior soviet political communists, Josef Stalin and Leon Trotsky.

Stalin wanted to build a strong Russia and Trotsky wanted to export communism around the world.

In the USA Trump's slogan was MAGA - make America great again and then we have the Democrats exporting an extreme progressive agenda of pushing into the mainstream extreme sexual identity and rights that applies to a very small part of the population.

Trotsky lost and was assassinated in Mexico of all places. 

How this is going to turn out am just not sure,  though think it will not be pleasant. 

 

[Viva la FCB+]

34 minutes ago, Waylander said:

 

In the USA Trump's slogan was MAGA - make America great again and then we have the Democrats exporting an extreme progressive agenda of pushing into the mainstream extreme sexual identity and rights that applies to a very small part of the population.

 

 

Do you just straight up watch fox news? There is 0 agenda being pushed by the Dems about sexual identity, fact, full stop. Just to create fake outrage as per usual, its as fake as the Orange Orangutans slogan. 

[Waylander]

No, not time for Fox News generally more interested in the articles cverng the Mums protesting about kids education in NY last year which they called indoctrination and worse

A quick search and I find this

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/mother-viral-slam-school-board-stop-indoctrinating-kids

[Cicero]

4 hours ago, Viva la FCB said:

There is 0 agenda being pushed by the Dems about sexual identity, fact, full stop. Just to create fake outrage as per usual, its as fake as the Orange Orangutans slogan. 

The Democrats treated the Parental Rights in Education act as if it was an abomination to society, when in reality the bill is something the majority of people can agree with. To stop educating children ages 5-9 on sexual orientation and gender identity. 

The sheer outrage of this bill from the left was truly bizarre. 

[Viva la FCB+]

6 minutes ago, Cicero said:

The Democrats treated the Parental Rights in Education act as if it was an abomination to society, when in reality the bill is something the majority of people can agree with. To stop educating children ages 5-9 on sexual orientation and gender identity. 

The sheer outrage of this bill from the left was truly bizarre. 

Not familiar with that at all. Weird thing to be outraged about but that is how politics is these days it seems. 

[Cicero]

2 minutes ago, Viva la FCB said:

Not familiar with that at all. Weird thing to be outraged about but that is how politics is these days it seems. 

There was something with Disney and them being against the bill with their "just say gay" slogan which made it headline news. 

Baffled me when I actually read the bill  and I questioned why there was such an outrage as the bill didn't ban teaching gender identity/orientation entirely, just to prevent educators from teaching it to children who probably still wet the bed. 

Edited June 7, 2022 by Cicero

[Spike]

Democrats are conservative, nothing progressive about them at all. They are just techno-capitalists instead of oil-capitalists. The social 'changes' that are tacked on by Fox are just a scare campaign to horrify people that are scared of anyone different.

[OrangeKhrush]

if there is a scare message it seems to come from the Biden office and their state owned media.   Only on state owned media can sunny hostin say get rid of all republicans and nothing happens. 

 

now they are back to the scare tactic of Jan 6 to paint all opponents into that basket with pigeon hole politics.

 

the mid terms are not looking good for team Biden, expect ABC, MSNBC, CNN, Wapo to pump hard

[Cicero]

Can’t believe people still watch Fox News. CNN has their own bias agenda but the levels of scare mongering on Fox News is pathetic. 

[Viva la FCB+]

Its no shocker that Fox "News" is opting to not show the Jan 6th hearings upcoming. It will be interesting to see it all laid out. 

[Viva la FCB+]

Also if anyone is interested or has the chance Matthew McConaughey had a fantastic speech at the white house about gun reform. I didnt know hes from Uvalde, great man. 

 

Edited June 8, 2022 by Viva la FCB

[Cicero]

Matthew McCanuaghey is also a Republican so this assumingly pissed off the alt right. 

Might have also upset the alt left in their quest into thinking every Republican is the devil. 

[Viva la FCB+]

8 minutes ago, Cicero said:

Matthew McCanuaghey is also a Republican so this assumingly pissed off the alt right. 

Might have also upset the alt left in their quest into thinking every Republican is the devil. 

Probably. Thats the point in all this it absolutely shouldnt be a partisan issue. McConaughey is right on the nose, hopefully this helps. 

[Cicero]

15 minutes ago, Viva la FCB said:

Probably. Thats the point in all this it absolutely shouldnt be a partisan issue. McConaughey is right on the nose, hopefully this helps. 

So long as the money keeps flowing from the NRA this shit will never end. 

[Dr. Gonzo]

41 minutes ago, Cicero said:

So long as the money keeps flowing from the NRA this shit will never end. 

There really should be more restrictions on money from lobbyists in the US, seems like the will of the people is always silenced by the large bags of cash they throw at politicians.

[Viva la FCB+]

23 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

There really should be more restrictions on money from lobbyists in the US, seems like the will of the people is always silenced by the large bags of cash they throw at politicians.

Again thats a major problem with the system. Both sides are guilty of it because the vast majority of elected officials dont represent their constituents at all these days. Its all about money money money.

[Viva la FCB+]

 

This is a fantastic clip of Chris Hayes going over the Fox News decision to not cover the Jan 6 hearings and the historical relevance of such a thing. Its not shocking again like was said before as they also didnt cover the second Trump impeachment that was related either.

 

 

[OrangeKhrush]

22 hours ago, Viva la FCB said:

 

This is a fantastic clip of Chris Hayes going over the Fox News decision to not cover the Jan 6 hearings and the historical relevance of such a thing. Its not shocking again like was said before as they also didnt cover the second Trump impeachment that was related either.

 

 

MSNBC and CNN are part of the establishment,  its state owned media and testament to the death of legacy media and journalistic integrity.   Chris Hayes spends all day talking about Fox and "misinformation",  while pushing misinformation and general message of tearing down america.  

I much prefer the smaller media outlets,  the same ones that MSNBC want laws to prevent them from operating.    America is descending into Venezuela levels,  government run technocracy that keeps those in the pocket and people like Hayes whose tongue is so far up his masters arsehole you would think he is a dog employed.   

The latest agenda on MSNBC was that wealthy "republicans" ousted Chesa Boudin,  yet the only demographic that voted for him was the sycophant white liberals who live large in the hush kush bay area.    Crime in the Bay was spiraling to the point that the "minorities" that Chesa swore to be acting in the interest of,  just had enough. 

[Dr. Gonzo]

Lmao they're not state owned, they're just corporate shills - just like Fox. They all have the same paymasters in the end, which is why they basically have all the same fucking ads on all 3 channels.

MSNBC's defense of Chesa Boudin is sort of hilarious, especially if you know anyone that actually lives in San Francisco (and I do). The man came in and on day one said he wasn't going to do a fucking thing abuot property crimes - as a result, property crime skyrocketed. Then he said he wasn't going to use criminal prosecutions against "the mentally unwell" - and proceeded to call nearly every violent criminal in his first few months in charge "mentally unwell."

And he lost in SF by about 70%. SF is about as progressive of a city in the US as you can come, so not even managing to get close to half the city shows he lost the support of some of the most left-leaning people in the country.

He lost his job because he was bad at his job, the fact that republicans spent a lot to get rid of him is sort of incidental. Lots of republicans also spent lots of money to get rid of Trump because lots of republicans didn't like Trump either 

But I do think what Fox is doing, in refusing to cover probably the most significant attack on American democracy honestly with regard to what happened in DC on January 6, 2021 is basically criminal. It's probably the most significant political scandal in the history of the United States and it's receiving no coverage because they don't want their base to care about outright treason that benefits their political agenda. I suspect they want to get more of their fringe viewers back from OAN and Newsmax.

But at the end of the day, CNN is just playing to the "moderate but mostly conservative" Americans, MSNBC is playing to "progressive" Americans, and Fox is playing to the "right wing as fuck" Americans - all three are advocating for pro-corporate policies more often than not (MSNBC can't help but slam Bernie and AOC, two of Americas actual left wing, any chance they get)... they're just targeting different groups of Americans.

[RandoEFC+]

CNN might be biased but Fox genuinely just has people on spouting demonstrably incorrect lies and conspiracy theories on a daily basis.

Smaller, "independent" news sources tend to be started up and funded by dodgy "think tanks" and dark money from well-off people with vested political interests. It's incredibly difficult to tell which ones are actually reliable (not many) regardless of what agenda they pursue.

At least the "big" news sources (apart from Fox these days apparently) can't afford to just make up biased shite all the time because they have to retain some reputation as brokers of actual news. Start going too biased and pandering to the fringes of the far left or far right just loses you your reputation and the sensible middle ground majority who watch for actual news and make up the majority of the viewership.

You see in the US what would happen in the UK if capitalism got ramped up even further and the whole media started off from a relatively blank slate like you've had in the US. We're incredibly lucky to have some public service broadcasting in the BBC. You can tell by the way their reporting is hated by the far right and far left alike that the people working there make fact-based reporting their top priority and don't have an editorial process that's almost entirely driven by the extreme, rabid minorities at either end of the political spectrum who can't look at anything in the world without applying their preconceived political filters to it.

Whichever country it is though, it really is sick how the media is weaponised to varying extents to influence the public in their views and opinions. You have to work really fucking hard to just get access to cold, hard facts and make up your own mind. 

[Spike]

3 hours ago, RandoEFC said:

CNN might be biased but Fox genuinely just has people on spouting demonstrably incorrect lies and conspiracy theories on a daily basis.

Smaller, "independent" news sources tend to be started up and funded by dodgy "think tanks" and dark money from well-off people with vested political interests. It's incredibly difficult to tell which ones are actually reliable (not many) regardless of what agenda they pursue.

At least the "big" news sources (apart from Fox these days apparently) can't afford to just make up biased shite all the time because they have to retain some reputation as brokers of actual news. Start going too biased and pandering to the fringes of the far left or far right just loses you your reputation and the sensible middle ground majority who watch for actual news and make up the majority of the viewership.

You see in the US what would happen in the UK if capitalism got ramped up even further and the whole media started off from a relatively blank slate like you've had in the US. We're incredibly lucky to have some public service broadcasting in the BBC. You can tell by the way their reporting is hated by the far right and far left alike that the people working there make fact-based reporting their top priority and don't have an editorial process that's almost entirely driven by the extreme, rabid minorities at either end of the political spectrum who can't look at anything in the world without applying their preconceived political filters to it.

Whichever country it is though, it really is sick how the media is weaponised to varying extents to influence the public in their views and opinions. You have to work really fucking hard to just get access to cold, hard facts and make up your own mind. 

You need to read The Daily Wire, now THAT is an independent news source free of think tanks and big business funding.