Explosion at Manchester MEN Arena

[Happy Blue]

2 hours ago, Stan said:

what good is banning burka's and hijabs gonna do  ? 

We use them in the S.A.S to great effect     ...a unit Marched down the street in plain sight right into an ISIS stronghold and took them all out before they knew what was going on    ...the burka stays, it's good camo for ground forces

[Honey Honey]

ISIS have called for all their cells to attack today, the first day of Ramadan. 18 killed in car bomb in Afghanistan this morning. Could be the first of many.

[Honey Honey]

Durham in Police lockdown. People evacuated.

[Fairy In Boots]

I don't think we mentioned the death of 22 Coptic Christians in Egypt yesterday in the latest move in the ongoing genocide on the road to total islamisation. Which is of course a direct result of our foreign policy 

[Stan]

51 minutes ago, HoneyNUFC said:

Durham in Police lockdown. People evacuated.

false alarm apparently.

[Honey Honey]

An area of Moss Side has just been evacuated as police search a property

[Fairy In Boots]

23,000 terror suspects on the watch list apparently and Labour and Lib Dens want to relax immigration, madness

[Stan]

15 minutes ago, Fairy In Boots said:

23,000 terror suspects on the watch list apparently and Labour and Lib Dens want to relax immigration, madness

how many are home-grown, in which immigration bears no relevance?

[SirBalon]

Just now, Stan said:

how many are home-grown, in which immigration bears no relevance?

Practically every single one in every single attack in Europe since the Twin Towers fell in New York.  Immigration has no bearing whatsoever on the final act.

[Stan]

3 minutes ago, Cannabis said:

Very little. 

The MEN bomber was home-grown but his parents were immigrants. Had they not entered the country he wouldn't have been here. 

Immigration is a large cause of attacks whether you think it's PC to say so or not.

how far do you go back with that?

[Toony]

As far back as possible.

These people are absolutely nuts, I've read the same that ISIS are calling for loads of attacks to happen today. The FA Cup final would be an obvious target but I would have thought the heightened security may put them off.

I wish they'd just fuck off.

[Honey Honey]

It doesn't matter where the attacker was born because continuously topping up the Muslim communities with hard right wing Muslims from backward areas is to the detriment of the muslim communities already here and those coming here who aren't hard right. If you have an immigration system that doesn't take into account someone's personal views then you will get some pockets of ultra conservative Islamic attitudes at the very least. The presence of those attitudes increases the probability of a loose cannon sacrificing himself for his brothers.

It is just politically toxic to touch because of the association with the hard right British movements. They express their opinions like swinging a sledgehammer which creates a counter movement where people take up whatever opinion is opposite to Nigel Farage.

[Danny]

Big day of sport all over the country today with Twickenham, Wembley and Bramall Lane all in use. I imagine the security forces will be running around like blue arsed flies.

[Devil-Dick Willie]

1 hour ago, SirBalon said:

Practically every single one in every single attack in Europe since the Twin Towers fell in New York.  Immigration has no bearing whatsoever on the final act.

 

2 hours ago, Stan said:

how many are home-grown, in which immigration bears no relevance?

 

Evil prospers when good men do nothing. How many islamic terror attacks are happening in countries like mine, the Czech Republic and Hungary? People like you would live in a country burning down around your ears in an effort to appear 'progressive' and 'welcoming'

Keep your borders open and this will keep happening in France, Germany, England and Sweden ect. Nothing wrong with bringing in manageable loads of moderate, young Muslim families fleeing war and persecution. Allowing uneducated toxic angry citizens of war torn countries into your own is asking for trouble. See how long before they find some like minded individuals or shift the attitudes of those around them. Harvey has hit the nail on the head. Just because the right wing are often insensitive pigs doesn't make them wrong sometimes. No need to be a cunt, but plenty of reasons to be pragmatic at the moment.

[Toony]

57 minutes ago, Cannabis said:

ISIS unleashing hailstone around the North West. 

Leave us in peace you cunts. 

Where've you read that?

[Honey Honey]

 

[Fairy In Boots]

7 hours ago, Stan said:

how many are home-grown, in which immigration bears no relevance?

 

7 hours ago, SirBalon said:

Practically every single one in every single attack in Europe since the Twin Towers fell in New York.  Immigration has no bearing whatsoever on the final act.

 

7 hours ago, Cannabis said:

Very little. 

The MEN bomber was home-grown but his parents were immigrants. Had they not entered the country he wouldn't have been here. 

Immigration is a large cause of attacks whether you think it's PC to say so or not.

Borm here or there is irrelevant most have been to Libya, Syria, Iraq, Pakistan for training at some point we need to really have a secure border.  Also worth noting that most of the attackers in France used dodgy passports to enter Europe from migrant routes. 

Bigger problem down the track is movement of Islamic people will increase its pandering as that's suddenly a political block vote. Our culture will lose out with that as it begins to exert more influence and deep into culture when by and large it's offering nothing but outdated shit. For this reason alone mass immigration from Muslim countries is never good thing, never mind the fact that a small percentage harbour violent desires. Just ask your Indian relatives who are far more likely to have an opinion on what's going over there with all the problems they have, it's been on average about 4-500 killed in Terror incidents since the 90's not to mention the rampant abuse of Hindi women. I don't get you sometimes Stan, million's of  Hindus have been killed in the name of Islam and straight after atrocities committed in the name of Islam you're more concerned with people saying it's a bag of shit.

[SirBalon]

20 minutes ago, Fairy In Boots said:

 

 

Borm here or there is irrelevant most have been to Libya, Syria, Iraq, Pakistan for training at some point we need to really have a secure border.  Also worth noting that most of the attackers in France used dodgy passports to enter Europe from migrant routes. 

Bigger problem down the track is movement of Islamic people will increase its pandering as that's suddenly a political block vote. Our culture will lose out with that as it begins to exert more influence and deep into culture when by and large it's offering nothing but outdated shit. For this reason alone mass immigration from Muslim countries is never good thing, never mind the fact that a small percentage harbour violent desires. Just ask your Indian relatives who are far more likely to have an opinion on what's going over there with all the problems they have, it's been on average about 4-500 killed in Terror incidents since the 90's not to mention the rampant abuse of Hindi women. I don't get you sometimes Stan, million's of  Hindus have been killed in the name of Islam and straight after atrocities committed in the name of Islam you're more concerned with people saying it's a bag of shit.

How can you govern a secure border with registered legal nationals going back and forth mate?

[Fairy In Boots]

23 minutes ago, SirBalon said:

How can you govern a secure border with registered legal nationals going back and forth mate?

Easy ban travel from the UK direct into certain areas and employ a visa system it's not hard. They're still going to get round it but you don't make it easy for them. Banning arranged marriage would drastically slow Islamic immigration into the U.K. 

[SirBalon]

Just now, Fairy In Boots said:

Easy ban travel from the UK direct into certain areas and employ a visa system it's not hard. They're still going to get round it but you don't make it easy for them. Banning arranged marriage would drastically slow Islamic immigration into the U.K. 

Mate...  There are constitutional laws and as much as I agree with you on that one, there's no way you could ever validate forcing national born citizens to have to apply for permission (VISA) to return to their country of birth.  It's up to our security forces to control these people and as hard as that is (the government can start by not cutting on the police forces anymore) that's the only option available.

[Batard]

3 minutes ago, Fairy In Boots said:

Easy ban travel from the UK direct into certain areas and employ a visa system it's not hard. They're still going to get round it but you don't make it easy for them. Banning arranged marriage would drastically slow Islamic immigration into the U.K. 

Salman Abedi's parents are not extremists, they fled Libya to the UK for reasons of safety and a brighter future for their family. How could they legislate for the misguided actions of their son? The reality is terrorism is being perpetrated by home grown terrorists. If we start closing European borders to people who need asylum we condemn them to hardship in the name of extreme risk aversion. 

[Berserker]

7 hours ago, Cannabis said:

ISIS unleashing hailstone around the North West. 

Leave us in peace you cunts. 

 

6 hours ago, Toony said:

Where've you read that?

[Honey Honey]

9 minutes ago, Batard said:

Salman Abedi's parents are not extremists, they fled Libya to the UK for reasons of safety and a brighter future for their family. How could they legislate for the misguided actions of their son? The reality is terrorism is being perpetrated by home grown terrorists. If we start closing European borders to people who need asylum we condemn them to hardship in the name of extreme risk aversion. 

His father is absolute scum. An Islamist loving wanker who wishes death to infidels.

He might not have been when he first came to England but in the revolution that swept Libya he picked a particular path and we allowed him to go too and fro, to take his son's and to give them Islamist training and inspiration.

We've been caught out by what the civil wars have led to which is understandable. But we can't be caught out any longer. People like his father should never be allowed to return to this country.

[Fairy In Boots]

29 minutes ago, Batard said:

Salman Abedi's parents are not extremists, they fled Libya to the UK for reasons of safety and a brighter future for their family. How could they legislate for the misguided actions of their son? The reality is terrorism is being perpetrated by home grown terrorists. If we start closing European borders to people who need asylum we condemn them to hardship in the name of extreme risk aversion. 

 

5 minutes ago, HoneyNUFC said:

His father is absolute scum. An Islamist loving wanker who wishes death to infidels.

He might not have been when he first came to England but in the revolution that swept Libya he picked a particular path and we allowed him to go too and fro, to take his son's and to give them Islamist training and inspiration.

We've been caught out by what the civil wars have led to which is understandable. But we can't be caught out any longer. People like his father should never be allowed to return to this country.

Saved me a job Harv.

We can't allow them to come in in large numbers because it will radically alter our culture, there has to be a manageable amount over a significant period of time to allow assimilation to occur. Not having assimilation is absolute madness and a recipe for disaster, a few months back we talked about Turkish Cypriots and them being more English than some English, we need to ensure that those coming in today are the Turkish Cypriots of tomorrow and you can't do that without manageable numbers and infrastructure in place to do this. Another good example is Iranians that have been here since the 70's they're very westernized, an Iranian today we would leave to his own devices and it's hit or miss whether they liberalize of become religiously conservative.

[Batard]

15 minutes ago, HoneyNUFC said:

His father is absolute scum. An Islamist loving wanker who wishes death to infidels.

He might not have been when he first came to England but in the revolution that swept Libya he picked a particular path and we allowed him to go too and fro, to take his son's and to give them Islamist training and inspiration.

We've been caught out by what the civil wars have led to which is understandable. But we can't be caught out any longer. People like his father should never be allowed to return to this country.

I stand corrected. And I do agree  that known extremists should not be permitted entrance into the UK, but that isn't always going to be so easy. Rarely are thing so cut and dried