Mpache Posted March 8, 2021 Posted March 8, 2021 I'm not sure how he's done at United, my impression was not great. I love this move though, I think his football style is good enough to do better than when Tevez came back. Argentina is a very demanding league physically.
Devil Posted March 8, 2021 Posted March 8, 2021 Not at all surprised, he's been good for us but he's cast a very frustrated figure for us at times and I got the feeling he didn't appreciate some of his teammates. If he is leaving then we will certainly be in the market for a striker this next window.
Whiskey Posted March 8, 2021 Posted March 8, 2021 Cavani has been a decent signing for United, but I think as @Devil says he's looked frustrated whenever I've seen him, probably more technical than those around him. Had he signed a few years ago it could probably have been a different story, but something of a challenge to now head to South America in the retirement phase of his career. United simply need to go all out for a striker in the summer surely?
DeadLinesman Posted March 8, 2021 Posted March 8, 2021 Love the bloke. Wish we’d signed him years ago.
Cicero Posted March 8, 2021 Posted March 8, 2021 5 minutes ago, DeadLinesman said: Love the bloke. Wish we’d signed him years ago. Feel the same with Thiago Silva. Hindsight, he would've been the perfect replacement for Carvalho in 2010.
Subscriber CaaC (John)+ Posted March 8, 2021 Subscriber Posted March 8, 2021 Not bad for a 34-year-old and he has done well, we had Zlatan aa a 34-year-old, he left and is still going strong and I reckon Cavani if he leaves will carry on just like Zlatan who is now 39.
Mpache Posted March 9, 2021 Author Posted March 9, 2021 21 hours ago, CaaC (John) said: Not bad for a 34-year-old and he has done well, we had Zlatan aa a 34-year-old, he left and is still going strong and I reckon Cavani if he leaves will carry on just like Zlatan who is now 39. Don't think Cavani will go back to Europe though. If he goes back, it's for good. Which I think he wants. Most South Americans don't really like playing in Europe.
Michael Posted March 9, 2021 Posted March 9, 2021 9 minutes ago, Mpache said: Don't think Cavani will go back to Europe though. If he goes back, it's for good. Which I think he wants. Most South Americans don't really like playing in Europe. You mean they love playing in Europe for the money, but not so much for the weather or culture perhaps.
Mpache Posted March 9, 2021 Author Posted March 9, 2021 Just now, Michael said: You mean they love playing in Europe for the money, but not so much for the weather or culture perhaps. It's more of a prestige thing. Everyone in SA knows how important club football was for us pre-1993 so many players would prefer to play for their hometown clubs. However, money talks and also some want to play in Europe to be considered for their NT. I don't have any statistical evidence for this, but I know Tevez, Farfan and Riquelme all hated playing in Europe and were really just there for the reasons I mentioned. If Tevez had the choice to never leave Boca, he wouldn't have.
Michael Posted March 9, 2021 Posted March 9, 2021 1 minute ago, Mpache said: It's more of a prestige thing. Everyone in SA knows how important club football was for us pre-1993 so many players would prefer to play for their hometown clubs. However, money talks and also some want to play in Europe to be considered for their NT. I don't have any statistical evidence for this, but I know Tevez, Farfan and Riquelme all hated playing in Europe and were really just there for the reasons I mentioned. If Tevez had the choice to never leave Boca, he wouldn't have. I wanted to upvote this answer, but I've run out of upvotes for the day. But yeah, I agree, I think it's mainly money and prestige in that order, as to why many go to Europe.
El Profesor Posted March 9, 2021 Posted March 9, 2021 5 minutes ago, Mpache said: It's more of a prestige thing. Everyone in SA knows how important club football was for us pre-1993 so many players would prefer to play for their hometown clubs. However, money talks and also some want to play in Europe to be considered for their NT. I don't have any statistical evidence for this, but I know Tevez, Farfan and Riquelme all hated playing in Europe and were really just there for the reasons I mentioned. If Tevez had the choice to never leave Boca, he wouldn't have. I see it as a kind of paradox. Most south americans players dream of the prestige and money european football offers them but at the same time they don´t really like living in Europe.
Azeem Posted March 9, 2021 Posted March 9, 2021 32 minutes ago, El Profesor said: I see it as a kind of paradox. Most south americans players dream of the prestige and money european football offers them but at the same time they don´t really like living in Europe. Why? South America shares a lot of of culture history with Europe, weather can't be that bad
Spike Posted March 9, 2021 Posted March 9, 2021 so he can say 'negrito' without being bullied by the english
Mpache Posted March 9, 2021 Author Posted March 9, 2021 18 minutes ago, McAzeem said: Why? South America shares a lot of of culture history with Europe, weather can't be that bad One of the biggest things that affects us from South America is 3-4 PM sunset times. Happens to me here in Canada, and it's even worse in the UK, France and Germany. So that's a start.
El Profesor Posted March 9, 2021 Posted March 9, 2021 34 minutes ago, McAzeem said: Why? South America shares a lot of of culture history with Europe, weather can't be that bad I'll take Brazil as an example. Brazil is kind of a world on its own. Huge continental country, isolated from the rest of continent due to its language and isolated from the rest of the world due to the geography and also due to its terrible infrastructure. Most brazilians, especially those from the lower classes, from where the majority of footballers come, don't speak a word of any other language, know nothing about european customs and culture and never left Brazil. So, when they first arrive in Europe it's a huge shock. Some thrive, some don't, but most miss Brazil. Playing in Europe is part of the dream, living in Europe, for most, is part of the job.
Azeem Posted March 10, 2021 Posted March 10, 2021 7 hours ago, El Profesor said: I'll take Brazil as an example. Brazil is kind of a world on its own. Huge continental country, isolated from the rest of continent due to its language and isolated from the rest of the world due to the geography and also due to its terrible infrastructure. Most brazilians, especially those from the lower classes, from where the majority of footballers come, don't speak a word of any other language, know nothing about european customs and culture and never left Brazil. So, when they first arrive in Europe it's a huge shock. Some thrive, some don't, but most miss Brazil. Playing in Europe is part of the dream, living in Europe, for most, is part of the job. Understandable, i was thinking more in Argentina-Spain context
Devil Posted March 10, 2021 Posted March 10, 2021 His dad has weighed in on the subject now as well claiming being labelled a racist hasn't helped him settle. Two points I'd like to make about that really. I think it's a fair reason to feel unsettled in a country if that were the case but the reality is if they actually believed there was a racist comment made the FA would have banned him for a longer period and United may have been forced to cancel his contract given the huge issues we've seen with racism over the last twelve months. Why the hell are players families getting more and more involved in the media regarding transfers, I've mums, wives, brothers and now Dads making comment's on players recently and it's getting out of hand. Clubs should be informing players that family members need to keep their mouths shut as it's unsettling the team and fans. Pogba's arsehole brothers are biggest case of this, fair enough he doesn't want to play for us but let himself and his agent deal with that, you don't need to comment.
Mpache Posted March 10, 2021 Author Posted March 10, 2021 3 hours ago, Devil said: His dad has weighed in on the subject now as well claiming being labelled a racist hasn't helped him settle. Two points I'd like to make about that really. I think it's a fair reason to feel unsettled in a country if that were the case but the reality is if they actually believed there was a racist comment made the FA would have banned him for a longer period and United may have been forced to cancel his contract given the huge issues we've seen with racism over the last twelve months. Why the hell are players families getting more and more involved in the media regarding transfers, I've mums, wives, brothers and now Dads making comment's on players recently and it's getting out of hand. Clubs should be informing players that family members need to keep their mouths shut as it's unsettling the team and fans. Pogba's arsehole brothers are biggest case of this, fair enough he doesn't want to play for us but let himself and his agent deal with that, you don't need to comment. Fair comments, but regarding the first one, even CONMEBOL churned in and had a dig at the FA, because what Cavani said isn't racist and any punishment at all was complete cancel culture. Cavani's dad was arrested once and while I agree with his comments, I also agree with yours that unless they are their agents they really shouldn't talk.
Subscriber CaaC (John)+ Posted March 10, 2021 Subscriber Posted March 10, 2021 3 hours ago, Devil said: Pogba's arsehole brothers are biggest case of this, fair enough he doesn't want to play for us but let himself and his agent deal with that, you don't need to comment.
Devil Posted March 10, 2021 Posted March 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Mpache said: Fair comments, but regarding the first one, even CONMEBOL churned in and had a dig at the FA, because what Cavani said isn't racist and any punishment at all was complete cancel culture. Cavani's dad was arrested once and while I agree with his comments, I also agree with yours that unless they are their agents they really shouldn't talk. Yes but the FA couldn't be seen as doing nothing in the current climate. The line was basically we know in your culture this terms is used in a way that's unoffensive but in the U.K it's unacceptable. If anything it's the club who is being punished for lack of education of the player.
Mpache Posted March 10, 2021 Author Posted March 10, 2021 8 hours ago, McAzeem said: Understandable, i was thinking more in Argentina-Spain context It's not all the weather and culture though. It's true that there's more prestige in Europe, but for example someone like Jefferson Farfan would have stayed at Alianza Lima his whole career if the money and level was like the top European leagues. Even if it was under the radar and nobody but Peruvians dreamt of playing for Alianza. I've interviewed a few youth players back at home and they always tell me their dream is playing for Real Madrid. When they grow older I find that they tend to be more supportive of their local club, but we don't have a huge sporting culture like in Argentina, which is my next point. Argentina in my opinion has the best football culture in the world besides maybe England. The fans there are local clubs first, and they don't care about the decline in standard their football has seen since the early 1990's. They still fill up games especially in continental competitions. There is a huge football history in Argentina because they used to have the best football league in the world in the 1970's and 80's. Started to decline in the 90's but they still had a strong presence in the Intercontinental Cup. It's why Boca and River are considered amongst the biggest clubs in the world. It's not all because of fan base. As a result, I'm not all convinced Argentines are all that bothered playing in Europe if it wasn't for the money and being able to represent the national team. Tevez and Riquelme hated playing in Europe. Tevez harped on about how his next club was Boca since he arrived, and Riquelme hated the football culture that Van Gaal tried to push on him. As @El Profesor said, living there is also a problem. A lot of players go back to South America after they finish their careers. As far as I know, we are the only continent like this. And that's because we have a vast football history and are a vastly isolated world. Aguero, Pizarro and Messi are a few that could likely stay in Europe after they finish their careers. Actually Pizarro and Messi are staying no matter what I'd say.
Mpache Posted March 10, 2021 Author Posted March 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, Devil said: Yes but the FA couldn't be seen as doing nothing in the current climate. The line was basically we know in your culture this terms is used in a way that's unoffensive but in the U.K it's unacceptable. If anything it's the club who is being punished for lack of education of the player. The UK doesn't speak Spanish, so really what he said means nothing over there. If he said it in Japanese, nobody would have noted it.
Devil Posted March 10, 2021 Posted March 10, 2021 10 minutes ago, Mpache said: The UK doesn't speak Spanish, so really what he said means nothing over there. If he said it in Japanese, nobody would have noted it. It doesn't take long for people to translate something written, Instagram even has a translate button built into their posts. I'm not having that I'm afraid, so you're saying I can say something racist on a spanish speaking post and because the person can't read English it shouldn't be seen as offensive? I'm not saying Cavani was by the way, just making my point.
Mpache Posted March 10, 2021 Author Posted March 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Devil said: It doesn't take long for people to translate something written, Instagram even has a translate button built into their posts. I'm not having that I'm afraid, so you're saying I can say something racist spanish speaking post and because the person can't read English it shouldn't be seen as offensive? I'm not saying Cavani was by the way, just making my point. Fair enough, but yeah everyone was against the FA here and rightly so. Even CONMEBOL. So Cavani has a good reason to feel uncomfortable.
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