UK Politics & Brexit Discussion

[SirBalon]

8 minutes ago, RandoEFC said:

If they put their deal against Remain in a referendum and the people choose Remain then why should they take Brexit off the table?

It's not just that... Any deal that Labour would agree with the EU would be very very soft indeed, way too soft for the Tories and those that really want Brexit. Many would actually sway their vote then.

[LFCMike]

We need a separate thread for the election. Different thing altogether, sick of hearing about Brexit to be honest. Much bigger issues that a Labour government would sort

Edited November 1, 2019 by LFCMike

[SirBalon]

45 minutes ago, LFCMike said:

We need a separate thread for the election. Different thing altogether, sick of hearing about Brexit to be honest. Much bigger issues that a Labour government would sort

You may be sick of it mate and so are most of us. But Brexit is a massive part of this General Election and it is infact the sole reason it’s been called now for December. 

What happens when the debate inevitably contains Brexit issues mate?  It would become a mess and we’d also be talking Brexit on the other thread.

[LFCMike]

34 minutes ago, SirBalon said:

You may be sick of it mate and so are most of us. But Brexit is a massive part of this General Election and it is infact the sole reason it’s been called now for December. 

What happens when the debate inevitably contains Brexit issues mate?  It would become a mess and we’d also be talking Brexit on the other thread.

No doubt part of the election is Brexit but I think there's polls that show that even people who voted for it show they care more about the NHS and the inequality in the country. Let's see, but from Labour's point of view they should be focusing on the bigger issues to win this election

[RandoEFC+]

I was going to start a separate thread for the election. I think it would be better that way as well.

[SirBalon]

1 hour ago, LFCMike said:

No doubt part of the election is Brexit but I think there's polls that show that even people who voted for it show they care more about the NHS and the inequality in the country. Let's see, but from Labour's point of view they should be focusing on the bigger issues to win this election

 

27 minutes ago, RandoEFC said:

I was going to start a separate thread for the election. I think it would be better that way as well.

Start it if you wish guys, the forum belongs to you, all of you.

I just thought that seeing that the only reason a General Election was called was due to the impasse on Brexit, then that Brexit was always going to be a pretty large part of the debate on this particular GE even if the policies are also extremely important. It doesn't stop anyone in this case posting about the policies as I have also done this morning on a previous post.

Remember one thing if you decide to create a new thread... Brexit WILL be debated because Brexit is being consistently mentioned by all the political parties in this campaign.

The choice is yours chaps...

[SirBalon]

 

This one is great... Followed Led By Donkeys during their active period and theyhave been absolutely brilliant.

 

[God is Haaland]

[God is Haaland]

[SirBalon]

This is Brexit's version of one of those great types of films that you just watch time and time again whike they always entertain you in the same way without fail.

Don't know if I've posted it before which would be odd, but I don't care... I'm doing it again because it's just 

 

[Burning Gold]

I actually think Labour have played it about right on Brexit for this election. They're the only realistic option for Remain, but they're also still an option for the famous working class Leave voters in Labour heartlands we hear so much about.

You could argue the balance of the Brexit debate might be different if they'd been stronger on Remain in the last 3 and a bit years, but we are where we are and they have to shoot down the middle. Don't forget Leave won the referendum in part by refusing to be drawn into detail on what Brexit would look like, thereby maintaining broad appeal.

The champagne socialist types in London and Brighton might split the vote by opting for Green or Lib Dem, but they're always liable to do that.

[Pyfish+]

I'm not arsed too much about the election. I just want #DogsAtPollingStations on Twitter again...

And they will be all festive!

[SirBalon]

[RandoEFC+]

How are the government allowed to just refuse to publish this report about Russia's involvement in Brexit until after the election? If this was Labour the media would be absolutely all over it (rightly) calling them corrupt and hiding it from the public, but because it's the Tories it's just getting vague lip service from a few outlets. Dominic Grieve should just come out and tell everyone what it says.

Appalling.

[SirBalon]

26 minutes ago, RandoEFC said:

How are the government allowed to just refuse to publish this report about Russia's involvement in Brexit until after the election? If this was Labour the media would be absolutely all over it (rightly) calling them corrupt and hiding it from the public, but because it's the Tories it's just getting vague lip service from a few outlets. Dominic Grieve should just come out and tell everyone what it says.

Appalling.

It's a barrel load of things, not just this latest thing. We can also remember how Theresa May refused to initiate an investigation into Cambridge Analytica, Aaron Banks amongst other illegal involvements and overspending on the Vote Leave and other pro-Brexit campaigns. There's tons of stuff like the lying in the Brexit campaigning!

[Stan]

30 minutes ago, RandoEFC said:

How are the government allowed to just refuse to publish this report about Russia's involvement in Brexit until after the election? If this was Labour the media would be absolutely all over it (rightly) calling them corrupt and hiding it from the public, but because it's the Tories it's just getting vague lip service from a few outlets. Dominic Grieve should just come out and tell everyone what it says.

Appalling.

Agreed. It's pathetic they can keep that information wrapped up with no consequence at all before a big vote in a matter of weeks... 

[SirBalon]

1 hour ago, Stan said:

Agreed. It's pathetic they can keep that information wrapped up with no consequence at all before a big vote in a matter of weeks... 

It is unbelievable, but a decent proportion of the blame lies at the feet of opposition parties in this General Election by not forcing the Government's hand and literally going hell for leather on this issue.   There will be a decent proportion of more moderate Tory voters that would be disgusted at finding out that any Tory MP was in any way involved in something as illegal as that.

[SirBalon]

I KNOW it’s another James O’Brien radio excerpt (from yesterday morning’s show), but listen to it carefully. It’s just another example of the fucking hundreds over the past 3+ years that prove ONCE AGAIN that this is all fucking bullshit!

 

[Pyfish+]

55 minutes ago, SirBalon said:

I KNOW it’s another James O’Brien radio excerpt (from yesterday morning’s show), but listen to it carefully. It’s just another example of the fucking hundreds over the past 3+ years that prove ONCE AGAIN that this is all fucking bullshit!

 

Never liked James before all of this shitshow started but he's a quality broadcaster. Him and the Simple Politics Facebook page are making it clearer for voters.

[SirBalon]

32 minutes ago, Pyfish said:

Never liked James before all of this shitshow started but he's a quality broadcaster. Him and the Simple Politics Facebook page are making it clearer for voters.

Apart from the fact James O'Brien has literally taught himself almost every word of what EU Membership means and contains, he employed a sitting researcher 2 years ago that sits in the studio with his producer and in any phonecall from a caller that researcher is immediately onto the details relating to what said caller is talking about and between his own extensive knowledge and then the exact wording within the subject being debated, he pulls the caller apart.

He himself says that there is absolutely no benefit for leaving the EU... NONE! I remember his talk at Waterstones and he reiterated that there isn't a single minuscule benefit for Brexit and due to this fact he has taken it upon himself to make sure this is made public.

Aside from his book (How To Be Right In A World Gone Wrong) which was the international best seller in all English speaking countries for many months, he also made the New York Times front page some months back on how he has almost off his own back taken Brexit to account in the UK. He has even made it into newspapers of most of Europe and has political fugures following him from Asia, through Europe to the Americas.

[Fairy In Boots]

I always find it fascinating that people on here believe labour are genuinely capable of running a government under the control of Corbyn, MAC & Abbott. 

Im just genuinely astounded that you can convince yourselves that it’s a legitimate use of a vote. 

I’ll vote for Boris, preference would be for Brexit as not a big fan of Boris’s deal but too many morons will vote for the Marxist so have to put the country first and protect us from that clown. 

 

[Stan]

8 minutes ago, Fairy In Boots said:

I always find it fascinating that people on here believe labour are genuinely capable of running a government under the control of Corbyn, MAC & Abbott. 

Im just genuinely astounded that you can convince yourselves that it’s a legitimate use of a vote. 

I’ll vote for Boris, preference would be for Brexit as not a big fan of Boris’s deal but too many morons will vote for the Marxist so have to put the country first and protect us from that clown. 

 

Maybe they think that they are a better prospect of running the country than the Tories who have fucked us over for the last 10 years? Just a thought.

 

[LFCMike]

1 hour ago, Stan said:

Maybe they think that they are a better prospect of running the country than the Tories who have fucked us over for the last 10 years? Just a thought.

 

Nobody will be surprised by his thinking. Not even worth engaging. It's the less well off that might weirdly vote Tory that need turning around and convincing

[SirBalon]

14 minutes ago, LFCMike said:

Nobody will be surprised by his thinking. Not even worth engaging. It's the less well off that might weirdly vote Tory that need turning around and convincing

Many of them have unfortunately been groomed (let themselves be groomed) and are victims. It’s very difficult to change when that occurs even with all the facts put before them.

[Inverted]

The entire discourse around Grenfell shows that despite everything which has occurred, the Tories have not changed at all since Hillsborough. 

Tories do not think you are fully human nor worthy of life if you are poor. This is an objective, obvious, categorically undeniable fact. 

An enormous amount of effort goes on everyday to conceal this fact, or to distract people from it, but it's a fact nonetheless.