Administrator Stan Posted October 31, 2017 Administrator Share Posted October 31, 2017 Board must have wanted a win tonight or else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Batard Posted October 31, 2017 Administrator Share Posted October 31, 2017 Not a surprise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafa Beneathus Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 Agent Grayson, your work here is done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honey Honey Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 Trick or treat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cannabis Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 Bet he's fucking delighted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiley Culture Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 Whilst Ellis Short remains at the club, Sunderland are doomed and heading for League One, whether it's this season or next. Grayson may or may not have been the right fit for the job but it's plainly clear that Ellis Short isn't the right fit for running a Football Club and until Sunderland fans really turn on him and start to make a stand that will harm his reputation in public, nothing will happen and relegation to League One looks more of a certainty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cannabis Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 7 minutes ago, Smiley Culture said: Whilst Ellis Short remains at the club, Sunderland are doomed and heading for League One, whether it's this season or next. Grayson may or may not have been the right fit for the job but it's plainly clear that Ellis Short isn't the right fit for running a Football Club and until Sunderland fans really turn on him and start to make a stand that will harm his reputation in public, nothing will happen and relegation to League One looks more of a certainty. Give it a rest - the EFL have signed him off on their fit and proper test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebird Hewitt Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 Called it in the matchday thread. Not sure who'd take the job considering the way they're going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honey Honey Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Ellis Short stands to lose a massive amount of money if he lets the club slide into league one, he won't see the £100m he is after. If he ends up just letting Kevin Ball have a go then that is pretty much resignation as a club owner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber Dan+ Posted November 1, 2017 Subscriber Share Posted November 1, 2017 I want to have sympathy for him but I'm kind of struggling. I get the whole "challenge yourself at a bigger club" notion but Sunderland are a top to bottom mess of a club. Preston are very stable at Championship level and he was doing fine there, with time they could well have gotten promoted and maybe done what similar sized clubs like Burnley have done. It was only going one way. I genuinely do think Sunderland are going again. It's taken them until halloween this calendar year to be leading a game at home, and they managed it for a whole 3 minutes at home to the league's bottom side. How many times can those above the manager get away with it? Sunderland's owner has got to sell up for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafa Beneathus Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 14 minutes ago, Dan said: I want to have sympathy for him but I'm kind of struggling. I get the whole "challenge yourself at a bigger club" notion but Sunderland are a top to bottom mess of a club. Preston are very stable at Championship level and he was doing fine there, with time they could well have gotten promoted and maybe done what similar sized clubs like Burnley have done. It was only going one way. I genuinely do think Sunderland are going again. It's taken them until halloween this calendar year to be leading a game at home, and they managed it for a whole 3 minutes at home to the league's bottom side. How many times can those above the manager get away with it? Sunderland's owner has got to sell up for me. Bolton also doubled and more their away goals tally for the season. They really are awful Sunderland but you look at their team and the sum of its parts are nowhere near as bad as that. Kone, Ndong, Grabban, McGeady, Roswell, Oviedo....not players you would expect to be plodding along at the bottom of the Championship. There is clearly something fundamentally wrong at that club, Short is the main problem and whilst he's there they will struggle. Best they can hope for is surviving this season and hoping they can get back up before the parachute payments stop. They could be stuck in the league for years if they don't nail this appointment I think. There are clubs of similar stature and arguably bigger that have been in there for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 I don't even think Mike Bassett would want the job there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honey Honey Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 The club is for sale but as a business proposition they are dead so finding a buyer is difficult, even more so now they could end up in league one. Cattermole, O'Shea, Khazri, Rodwell, Djilobodji, Gibson, Kone, N'dong... these guys are some of the highest paid players in the league. It is going to take some time to financially put this right. Anyhow, Aitor Karanka has emerged as the favourite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Massive problems at sunderland. Really felt moyes wasn't to blame for them going down last year they are a sinking ship. Same with grayson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toony Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 It's such a tough job, a career-wrecker unless you're a top manager and I really can't see anyone with any sort of pedigree in management wanting to go there at the moment. I liked Grayson before he went there so hopefully he'll get another job soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honey Honey Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 They need someone with the connections to get them players on loan from one of the big clubs. It surprises me that with no money they didn't bother in the summer. Although many big clubs will now be reluctant to send their kids to such a toxic place. It might be a decent starting point for Ryan Giggs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiley Culture Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Phil Brown linked with the job now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 No loss for Grayson. He will just go back to being a manager at a solid mid table Championship club who struggle to have the finances to compete for a playoff push. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cannabis Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Grayson's stock won't drop as a result of this, Sunderland have been a shambles for years and its going to take someone desperate to take them on. Phil Brown I can imagine doing just that, its his way back into the big time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honey Honey Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 Ally McCoist who played for Sunderland before joining Rangers is in the running Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honey Honey Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 Harry Redknapp wants the job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julio Geordio Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 I think Phil Brown would be a half decent appointment in their position. Far better than Peter Reid and Sewpa Kev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roversgirl Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 A bit premature for me, Grayson doesn't turn into a bad manager overnight. It's the whole culture at the club which needs to be changed and it will take time. They need to get back to basics and get some players in who worked hard and have the desire to do well, not players who are there just to get paid. I bet Grayson now wishes he never left PNE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScoRoss Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 It was hugely telling in the summer when Derek McInnes had a chance to take the job, met with ownership and then turned it down. He returned to an Aberdeen team that had lost some of it's best players, can't compete financially with Celtic and don't have proper training facilities yet. But that was still a better option to him than moving to Sunderland. As mentioned many times, it'll take a huge overhaul of the entire club. But how is anyone expecting to do that when the ownership won't give any manager a long-term in charge. For any decent manager to touch that job, it'll require a change at the very top first. Their best hope is to pick an up and coming manager from League 1 or League 2 who would jump at the chance at such a big club. Someone who couldn't possibly turn down the opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julio Geordio Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 On 04/11/2017 at 8:55 PM, ScoRoss said: It was hugely telling in the summer when Derek McInnes had a chance to take the job, met with ownership and then turned it down. He returned to an Aberdeen team that had lost some of it's best players, can't compete financially with Celtic and don't have proper training facilities yet. But that was still a better option to him than moving to Sunderland. As mentioned many times, it'll take a huge overhaul of the entire club. But how is anyone expecting to do that when the ownership won't give any manager a long-term in charge. For any decent manager to touch that job, it'll require a change at the very top first. Their best hope is to pick an up and coming manager from League 1 or League 2 who would jump at the chance at such a big club. Someone who couldn't possibly turn down the opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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