FIFA Confirm VAR to be Used at World Cup

[The Palace Fan]

This could get interesting...

[Guest]

Ugh.

[Stan]

just about to post this.

Happy with this news. 

 

[Eco]

3 minutes ago, Blue said:

Ugh.

Why the negative attitude? Wouldn't you prefer the call to be right rather than save yourself 5 minutes at most?

[Guest]

Just now, Eco said:

Why the negative attitude? Wouldn't you prefer the call to be right rather than save yourself 5 minutes at most?

Most of the time though the call isn't right - just ask any Australian. They have a huge grudge on VAR and for a good reason.

I firmly believe in human decision without the use of machines anyhow. It could be right and I would still be against it because I prefer instinct.

[Eco]

Just now, Blue said:

Most of the time though the call isn't right - just ask any Australian. They have a huge grudge on VAR and for a good reason.

Mate - You aren't Australian.

Just now, Blue said:

I firmly believe in human decision without the use of machines anyhow. It could be right and I would still be against it because I prefer instinct.

I don't get that view point. The game is faster and more complex now than ever, the refs job is too difficult to do it on their own, so for that reason I'm all allowing VAR which will help us with certain situations are that almost impossible for humans to call with 100% certainty.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Eco said:

Mate - You aren't Australian.

I don't get that view point. The game is faster and more complex now than ever, the refs job is too difficult to do it on their own, so for that reason I'm all allowing VAR which will help us with certain situations are that almost impossible for humans to call with 100% certainty.

I've been in Australia and my friend from there told me pretty much everyone wants it gone from the A-League.

And I don't want it to be meddled with. Sure the game is faster, but what good does it do anyone if its still a human decision and the referees are still incompetent? Its not like they aren't trained for these things. 

Referee decisions were never 100% anyways and it won't be with VAR either, or even near it. It will be the same as just having regular referees but with more inconsistencies and controversy.

Edited January 22, 2018 by Guest

[Honey Honey]

Alan Shearer's head will explode, we are somehow in for an even more unbearable BBC coverage of the World Cup.

 

 

[UNORTHODOX]

The more it is used the better it will get, Alan shearer went way over the top with his criticism of it the other week, I didn't even think it was a penalty.

[Stan]

Just now, Blue said:

I've been in Australia and my friend from there told me pretty much everyone wants it gone from the A-League.

And I don't want it to be meddled with. Sure the game is faster, but what good does it do anyone if its still a human decision and the referees are still incompetent? Its not like they aren't trained for these things. 

Referee decisions were never 100% anyways and it won't be with VAR either, or even near it. It will be the same as just having regular referees but with more inconsistencies and controversy.

how is it the same when it has rectified a lot of incorrect decisions anyway?

Said time and time again that the concept of VAR is brilliant. The execution of it still needs work. 

[Guest]

Just now, Stan said:

how is it the same when it has rectified a lot of incorrect decisions anyway?

Said time and time again that the concept of VAR is brilliant. The execution of it still needs work. 

I don't like the concept but that's just my point of view. I prefer human instinct.

Sure it can rectify a lot of decisions, but its too inconsistent. It also misses a lot of decisions and calls others. Personally that's my biggest grudge with it. It can get a lot of decisions wrong from incompetent referees but for me the biggest flaw calling some and missing others.

[Carnivore Chris]

VAR's aload of shite and takes alot from the game. Goal line technology is fair enough, but that's it. We don't need it going any further.

It also doesn't necessarily always guarantee it being the right call anyway. "No, the VAR was wrong, it's a fix and it's obvious the person behind the decisions is a Man United fan, it's a joke". Nothing will change in that regard, it will just make the sport a bit slower and more cringeworthy. "It works in Rugby and Tennis", ye, but both of those are wank sports.

 

 

Edited January 26, 2018 by The Rebel CRS

[Cicero]

59 minutes ago, The Rebel CRS said:

VAR's aload of shite and takes alot from the game. Goal line technology is fair enough, but that's it. We don't need it going any further.

It also doesn't necessarily always guarantee it being the right call anyway. "No, the VAR was wrong, it's a fix and it's obvious the person behind the decisions is a Man United fan, it's a joke". Nothing will change in that regard, it will just make the sport a bit slower and more cringeworthy. "It works in Rugby and Tennis", ye, but both of those are wank sports.

 

 

If Var was implemented Real Madrid wouldn't of won the CL last season 

[Spike]

On 1/22/2018 at 11:13, Blue said:

Most of the time though the call isn't right - just ask any Australian. They have a huge grudge on VAR and for a good reason.

I firmly believe in human decision without the use of machines anyhow. It could be right and I would still be against it because I prefer instinct.

Like fuck. If VAR existed that wop cunt wouldn't have got a penalty for diving in '06. Yer mates a clueless cunt.

[Spike]

It shoukd just be a challenge system like the NHL. Managers or the captain gets to contest a decision anf if they get the decision wrong they lose the right to contest.

[Stan]

7 minutes ago, Spike said:

It shoukd just be a challenge system like the NHL. Managers or the captain gets to contest a decision anf if they get the decision wrong they lose the right to contest.

there'll always be unhappiness about that though as 1 challenge won't be enough, then 2 won't be enough, then 3 etc etc

[Spike]

1 hour ago, Stan said:

there'll always be unhappiness about that though as 1 challenge won't be enough, then 2 won't be enough, then 3 etc etc

And people are unhappy now. No matter what someone is going to have a whinge. Talk about Americans you all like but they complain perhaps the least about these sort of things. They have bigger fish to fry, like the NFL unable to come to a consensus what constitutes a 'catch'.

[Burning Gold]

6 minutes ago, Spike said:

And people are unhappy now. No matter what someone is going to have a whinge. Talk about Americans you all like but they complain perhaps the least about these sort of things. They have bigger fish to fry, like the NFL unable to come to a consensus what constitutes a 'catch'.

We'll have the same thing. What constitutes a foul? If there's contact, is it sufficient to have brought the player down? Ultimately it's subjective, and therefore imperfect.

To clarify though, while it is and always will be imperfect, I fail to see how VAR can be a bad thing.

[Spike]

Just now, Burning Gold said:

We'll have the same thing. What constitutes a foul? If there's contact, is it sufficient to have brought the player down? Ultimately it's subjective, and therefore imperfect.

To clarify though, while it is and always will be imperfect, I fail to see how VAR can be a bad thing.

Overuse/over reliance.

[Stan]

Just now, Spike said:

Overuse/over reliance.

not if it's restricted to the 4 categories at the moment (goals, penalty decisions, mistaken identity, straight red incidents).

[Burning Gold]

5 minutes ago, Spike said:

Overuse/over reliance.

Fair enough, but that's the implementation. I meant I don't see the concept as being a bad thing

[Spike]

14 minutes ago, Stan said:

not if it's restricted to the 4 categories at the moment (goals, penalty decisions, mistaken identity, straight red incidents).

You just wait until it's used for every single time those incidents occur. 

[Stan]

3 minutes ago, Spike said:

You just wait until it's used for every single time those incidents occur. 

i see it happen when I watch A-League and Serie A already.

i can tolerate it. 

[Spike]

48 minutes ago, Stan said:

i see it happen when I watch A-League and Serie A already.

i can tolerate it. 

That is just you though... Not everyone likes sitting around an extra five minutes for a decision, and I've seen that happen.

[SirBalon]

As long as the correct decision is made by using VAR, then I’m all for it.  I’ve seen it fail a couple of times though but then again this is all relatively new and if faith isn’t put in it then it will never become a more streamline system with practically no errors.

Put it this way, as bad as referees seem to be at times, they do get over 95% of decisions correct along with their assistants which is almost perfect.  If with VAR we can help referees to raise that to 98% or even 99%, then that’s a good thing.

[Carnivore Chris]

14 hours ago, SirBalon said:

As long as the correct decision is made by using VAR, then I’m all for it.  I’ve seen it fail a couple of times though but then again this is all relatively new and if faith isn’t put in it then it will never become a more streamline system with practically no errors.

Put it this way, as bad as referees seem to be at times, they do get over 95% of decisions correct along with their assistants which is almost perfect.  If with VAR we can help referees to raise that to 98% or even 99%, then that’s a good thing.

1986 could have been a very different tournament with VAR. The tournament may have been won by a different team and the tournament wouldn't have seen the greatest ever goal scored in it as that man would have been dismissed before it.

The headlines the next day could have been:-

"Maradona sent off for blatant handball as  England scrape past Argentina 1-0 with a late goal from Gary Lineker".

I'm not saying England would have won it though by the way, as even after getting past the Belgians, it would have meant Germany in the final and that would have only gone one way

[SirBalon]

Just now, The Rebel CRS said:

1986 could have been a very different tournament with VAR. The tournament may have been won by a different team and the tournament wouldn't have seen the greatest ever goal scored in it as that man would have been dismissed before it.

The headlines the next day could have been:-

"Maradona sent off for blatant handball as  England scrape past Argentina 1-0 with a late goal from Gary Lineker".

I'm not saying England would have won it though by the way, as even after getting past the Belgians, it would have meant Germany in the final and that would have only gone one way

True... Not just that but many things would’ve changed.  Japan and Korea would’ve been conquered by Spain! Italy wouldn’t have been taken the piss out of and in 82 Schumacher would’ve been sent to prison for what he did against France.  Add That guy I’ve forgotten his name in 2010 that decided to do some Kung-fu on Xabi Alonso.

[Guest]

Most people who wanted VAR have begun to turn against it. I've seen it all over social media. I've said it before, even if its used effectively it will still have one flaw or another. I'm not buying into this "give it time" bollocks because I can't see it progressing. Even if you fix one thing, another problem will pop up. It just won't work in football.

That's what I think will happen but as you all know I prefer human instinct because even if the correct decisions are made, referees don't need to look at a decision again. They are trained for a reason. This won't take away the human element from it, it will just add more controversy which the whole point is to remove it.

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, SirBalon said:

Add That guy I’ve forgotten his name in 2010 that decided to do some Kung-fu on Xabi Alonso.

De Jong was kung fu fighting

That kick was fast as lighting

Alonso was a little bit frightened

Nigel did it with excellent timing

Edited January 27, 2018 by Guest

[Carnivore Chris]

Just now, SirBalon said:

True... Not just that but many things would’ve changed.  Japan and Korea would’ve been conquered by Spain! Italy wouldn’t have been taken the piss out of and in 82 Schumacher would’ve been sent to prison for what he did against France.  Add That guy I’ve forgotten his name in 2010 that decided to do some Kung-fu on Xabi Alonso.

 

So in other words, history would have been re-written completely, but necessarily for the better of it as this controversy and drama does add a lot to the sport, whether we like it or not.

 

The Maradona handball was actually a brilliant goal for the record when you see what he did in the build up. Even when he cheated it was magic