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Turkey to have their "do you want your country to become a dictatorship" referendum on April 16th

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This topic is extremely important for the turks (grrrreat people) as Erdoğan says naysayers risk afterlife as well. Maybe not so much for Europe, as according to the very same Erdogan, this center of Nazism is rotting anyways.

Discuss, predict, take a jibe at Erdoğan.

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You can't help but feel this will be an utter disaster for Turkey. 

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Occasions like this are why you should always be wary when people say referendums are the purest expression of democracy.

Democracy is nothing without solid institutions, which referendums can easily undermine.

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1 hour ago, Kowabunga said:

Might Turkey eventually become a nice partner for global Britain then?

They need to be more evil on their citizens a-la Saudi Arabia for that to happen. 

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It's always funny when you hear pro-Erdogan people talking. They say he made the country what it is, he brought them economic strength and all that. Is that why they're constantly asking other countries for loans? The tourism has practically broken down, so they'll only spiral further into disaster. Seems like the brainwashing from the Erdogan controlled Turkish Media is working quite well. 

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58 minutes ago, SirBalon said:

They need to be more evil on their citizens a-la Saudi Arabia for that to happen. 

Global Britain and the League of Deplorable Regimes has a nice ring to it.

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21 minutes ago, Kowabunga said:

Global Britain and the League of Deplorable Regimes has a nice ring to it.

Does Turkey have enough oil money to buy us though? We don't bend over for any random dictator. Only rich ones.

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2 hours ago, 6666 said:

Does Turkey have enough oil money to buy us though? We don't bend over for any random dictator. Only rich ones.

You just want to sell them weaponry and stuff.

 

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We already get a lot of our clothing from Turkish sweatshops where Syrian children work for nothing. Just wait til we are out of the customs union with Turkey and can lower clothing tariffs on everyone so child abusers can compete with each other more fairly.

 

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I've never had an experience with a Turk that wasn't...well very odd to say the least. 

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Most of the yes-votes came from Turks living in Germany, Holland etc. They should just move to Turkey then, and see if they'd still like it. Let's see if their glorious leader is still so great up-close when you actually have to live in those conditions. 

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Atatürk must be rolling in his grave. 

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This vote is in keeping with the Brexit and Trump votes, a radical shift to the right. A right-wing with an Islamic focus is still right-wing.


Just like with Brexit it seems like the large urban centres are home to less reactionary, conservative people and voted against Erdogan. I think we need to see urban centres become free city states, they are totally out of sync with the creeping nationalism of the countryside and small towns.

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14 hours ago, The Artful Dodger said:

This vote is in keeping with the Brexit and Trump votes, a radical shift to the right. A right-wing with an Islamic focus is still right-wing.


Just like with Brexit it seems like the large urban centres are home to less reactionary, conservative people and voted against Erdogan. I think we need to see urban centres become free city states, they are totally out of sync with the creeping nationalism of the countryside and small towns.

Except several major urban areas voted for Brexit. 

On topic I wouldn't be surprised at all if he's rigged this vote. 

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There's reports of his supporters beating opponents in the streets. It's just such a shame for what was once a secular country moving the right way forward 

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Remember when people voted Brexit because Turkey were going to flood the UK

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13 hours ago, Fairy In Boots said:

Except several major urban areas voted for Brexit. 

On topic I wouldn't be surprised at all if he's rigged this vote. 

All the sound cities voted in...

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On 18/04/2017 at 9:08 PM, The Artful Dodger said:

All the sound cities voted in...

Hull voted out by 62%, I don't need to say anything else really

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On 4/16/2017 at 0:19 PM, HoneyNUFC said:

Erdogan is claiming victory. 51.3% apparently.

2 years until the next General Election.

It makes you wonder about whether the man who could become a dictator would pull a card from the dictator deck and rig an election. Seems plausible and the party Ataturk founded seems to think so.

Or at least they did before they were beaten in the streets and detained.

Erdogan's also learned from Putin and paid for an army of internet goons and his state media to go around trumpeting his far-right ideology to Turks worldwide.

It's a disturbing trend, and when you look at what Duterte has done in the Philippines and you look at Erdogan post-coup, it makes me wonder where the world is headed.

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It's a shame that Turkey has totally abandoned the path that Mustafa Kemal set. Turkey was meant to be the great beacon of hope for democratic secularism in the Muslim world.

Now it's a choice between secular despots like Assad, theocratic authoritarianism like in Iran and Saudi Arabia, or corrupt Islamist democracy like Iraq or Pakistan. 

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Disagree. Turkey's history is evidence that Islam is compatible with democracy and that it is actually unsafe environments that are not compatible with democracy. Hence in the economic climate and unstable border Turkey finds itself in it has lurched away from democracy.

History shows this to be fairly consistent trend regardless of the main religion's.

The safer the environment the more open a religion becomes and adapts.

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