UK Politics

[Dr. Gonzo]

4 hours ago, HoneyNUFC said:

Try this one https://www.thecanary.co/2017/03/15/richard-branson-didnt-get-way-now-hes-suing-nhs/

 

I personally don't understand how anyone can think a successful businessman cares about anything other than profits and self preservation. He's also, as you mentioned, a notorious tax fraud. Everyone thinks he's so cool for some fucking reason, but he's your average corporatist. He doesn't give a fuck about us, just himself.

As far as this election goes, it's all very underwhelming. Tories are AIDS, Labour is cancer, Lib Dems are herpes.

[Fairy In Boots]

22 hours ago, HoneyNUFC said:

 

https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror

Agency staff is another good one. When you decide to squeeze budgets it brings these mistakes right out into the open.

Slasher hasn't cut the overall headline amount going in but he has slowed what goes in (to 1950s growth levels). What that has meant is the service has failed to keep up with inflation and fluctuating areas of demand, so it essentially is forced into making cuts, reducing services, closing hospitals, wards, cutting beds, refusing service.

The whole idea of austerity and curbing spending was to wait for tax revenues to rise and eradicate the deficit. It didn't work, in fact it has been a disaster. Primarily because when you cut public spending you reduce your own revenue as less money is now circulating, therefore the private sector needs to pick up the slack and some if you want to eradicate the deficit, but the private sector hasn't done that anywhere near the required level. Whilst the Tory's have been cutting taxes at the same time which if it does not lead to an increased return as it sometimes can then it makes the whole thing worse.

 

 

On a different note I'm amazed at how many poor quality politicians Labour have. I guess it's because no one with good political self awareness is willing to go on tv for or against Corbyn. 

Imagine being in a swing seat and finding yourself having to decide between the party that tips disabled people out of their wheelchairs or a coalition between Diane Abbott, the SNP, Sinn Fein and George Galloway independent  I think I'd kill myself.

Ah so it's commonwealth and not the world and there's a big difference between "cutting funding" and "funding rising slower than inflation". Anyway, the NHS is a money pit, I think we can both agree it needs reform it can't carry on. 

On quality of MP's Diane abbot has a clip floating about in which she said Chairman Mao did a lot of good and I noticed this had resurfaced earlier. 

 

[Honey Honey]

13 hours ago, Fairy In Boots said:

Ah so it's commonwealth and not the world and there's a big difference between "cutting funding" and "funding rising slower than inflation". Anyway, the NHS is a money pit, I think we can both agree it needs reform it can't carry on. 

On quality of MP's Diane abbot has a clip floating about in which she said Chairman Mao did a lot of good and I noticed this had resurfaced earlier. 

 

The commonwealth fund is just one of a number of contributors to the data along with the world health organisation and the OECD. Its a combined report of healthcare systems around the world.

Funding rising slower than inflation is a deliberate cut in funding. Its not an accident. It is a form of austerity, a form of cutting funding. The government's revenues go up with inflation and economic growth year on year, by not passing it on, by not putting up government spending in line with inflation, such as freezing benefits, the difference between the frozen expense level and the new higher revenue acts to reduce the deficit. Its a tactic to inflate your way out of debt burden. The consequences are public services are forced into reducing their service and forced to make cuts.

Fact is these austerity tactics have not led to any of the government's deficit reduction targets being hit, they've been forced to delay them, forced to drop them because these tactics act as a drag on the economy and grow revenues at too slow of a rate.

The Tory's keep cutting taxes because they are panicking. The economy is chugging along and needs help, either cut taxes or invest. Both mean public sector debt and deficit won't reduce, both mean more money circulating in the economy if public spending remains the same. Osborne and Cameron created a timid frightened little public when it comes to spending so have pushed themselves into the corner of tax cuts with the libertarian mongs clapping along thinking their philosophy is being implemented. Spreadshit Phil seems to have wound them up by suggesting he will put taxes up if he has to. Tax cuts were never about libertarianism, they were about panic after austerity was proven to be econonic self harm.

[Fairy In Boots]

On 22/04/2017 at 0:51 PM, HoneyNUFC said:

The commonwealth fund is just one of a number of contributors to the data along with the world health organisation and the OECD. Its a combined report of healthcare systems around the world.

Funding rising slower than inflation is a deliberate cut in funding. Its not an accident. It is a form of austerity, a form of cutting funding. The government's revenues go up with inflation and economic growth year on year, by not passing it on, by not putting up government spending in line with inflation, such as freezing benefits, the difference between the frozen expense level and the new higher revenue acts to reduce the deficit. Its a tactic to inflate your way out of debt burden. The consequences are public services are forced into reducing their service and forced to make cuts.

Fact is these austerity tactics have not led to any of the government's deficit reduction targets being hit, they've been forced to delay them, forced to drop them because these tactics act as a drag on the economy and grow revenues at too slow of a rate.

The Tory's keep cutting taxes because they are panicking. The economy is chugging along and needs help, either cut taxes or invest. Both mean public sector debt and deficit won't reduce, both mean more money circulating in the economy if public spending remains the same. Osborne and Cameron created a timid frightened little public when it comes to spending so have pushed themselves into the corner of tax cuts with the libertarian mongs clapping along thinking their philosophy is being implemented. Spreadshit Phil seems to have wound them up by suggesting he will put taxes up if he has to. Tax cuts were never about libertarianism, they were about panic after austerity was proven to be econonic self harm.

Sorry I'd forgotten if not replied on this. 

When you lay It out like that, yes I agree it's a cut. It's just a bit different from "they're cutting" the terminology has different connotations. 

It's sensible though to not just keep chucking money at the NHS, it is a money pit and getting them to reign it in is prudent. We can't go on just chucking cash at it forever 

[6666]

I understand why Theresa May is scared of turning up to TV debates, Jeremy Corbyn would mop the floor with her. She doesn't have the character to come across strong in debates. And now that he's refusing to turn up unless she turns up I wonder how this whole thing will play out.

No way will I be voting Conservative, don't really see any redeemable quality with them. Would be nice if the Liberal Democrats actually had anything but for now Labour seems the sanest party to vote for.

[Fairy In Boots]

1 hour ago, 6666 said:

I understand why Theresa May is scared of turning up to TV debates, Jeremy Corbyn would mop the floor with her. She doesn't have the character to come across strong in debates. And now that he's refusing to turn up unless she turns up I wonder how this whole thing will play out.

No way will I be voting Conservative, don't really see any redeemable quality with them. Would be nice if the Liberal Democrats actually had anything but for now Labour seems the sanest party to vote for.

What pm Q's have you been watching? May's shite at debates and still it's been as one sided as a gang rape. I can't think of a single time he's put her in his place. As great as some of his points may be he's ultimately a complete wet blanket. 

[Vegan Kel]

Anyone over the age of 21 who intends to vote for Corbyn should seek mental help. A sad 1970s throwback socialist who couldn't be more 'establishment' (MP for 30 odd years). Another plummy twat pretending he cares about the working class.

He is also an IRA/Hamas supporting pacifist beta male who looks like Catweazle

[Honey Honey]

Corbyn is good in election debates, it is why he won Labour leadership in the first place, it's probably the only thing he is good at 

PMQ's is more about questioning which he's weak at, in election campaigning he can say what he would do which is when he starts connecting. Unless you get Andrew Marr wasting all of his questions on hypothetical nuclear war.

What a car crash week the Lib Dems have had with Farron's gay sin fuck up and then choosing an anti-semite to stand in the election (since dropped).

Zack Goldsmith back trying to win Richmond  will they forgive him for voting to take away their cheap nannies and builders in the referendum.

[SirBalon]

What gets me about Corbyn is his anti-establishment rhetoric which is fine and acting like your about to save Britain's "average man, woman and child" is all well and good.  But his background as with many others that speak this stuff couldn't be more establishment.  Maybe "establishment" with a different twist, but establishment all the same.

[Vegan Kel]

I find it bizarre that he bangs on about housing, education and the sacred NHS yet is pro-mass migration which affects all of these areas massively. It's also bizarre that kids have become indoctrinated by the cultural Marxist agenda that brands anyone who raises concerns about these issues as being 'racist Nazi bigots'. 

We really do live in a weird society and it'll only get worse unless these weirdos are weeded out of the (mis)education system.

I also find it hilarious that his cult is comprised of liberal luvvies, welfare junkies, student mongs, migrants and identity politics obsessed minority groups. He has absolutely nothing to offer working class British people and couldn't be more out of touch.

[Honey Honey]

Just goes to show Keir Starmer saying on Tuesday that free movement will end is too little too late for a recalibration of perceptions of the Labour party.

 

According to YouGov the conservatives are on course to take 7 seats off the SNP in Scotland.

[6666]

No one's saying Corbyn is perfect or even that good but is he better than Theresa May when it comes to the government actually being about serving the people? Is she fuck. Anyone under the age of 60 who intends to vote for Theresa May needs to seek mental help... After that, are there any realistic choices?

Expect her to win this though, a lot of people are still in the mindset that Brexit was brilliant and calling an election before any of the effects of Brexit can be really felt is telling, they don't know what the fucks going to happen just like they didn't know what the fuck to do when Brexit was successful. Would've been better for the country to see how it plays out and then seeing if a change is needed but this is politics, it's not about what's best for the country and Theresa May is a great symbol of that so she's "winning". 

[Honey Honey]

41 minutes ago, 6666 said:

No one's saying Corbyn is perfect or even that good but is he better than Theresa May when it comes to the government actually being about serving the people? Is she fuck. Anyone under the age of 60 who intends to vote for Theresa May needs to seek mental help... After that, are there any realistic choices?

Mental healthcare is underfunded with huge waiting lists, it's quicker if you turn to God instead 

[Bluebird Hewitt]

Thinking of Tory or a spoilt vote really. Labour are in an absolute mess and I'm not convinced on any of the other parties.

[Vegan Kel]

As long as we leave the EU with absolutely no compromises and Corbyn's embarrassment of a party don't get in I don't really care. Nobody outside of Brighton votes Green and Tim Farron is going to get beat by a fishfinger which, to be fair, probably has more common sense and charisma than that gormless fuckwit

[Honey Honey]

One of the constituencies in Bristol is expected to vote Green in this election.

 

The whole thing is probably primarily about preventing the government majority collapsing when the outcome of the investigation into mass conservative party electoral fraud in marginal seats in the 2015 election is revealed.

[SirBalon]

Just now, HoneyNUFC said:

One of the constituencies in Bristol is expected to vote Green in this election.

Always liked Bristol and their art in making blue glass. 

[Fairy In Boots]

On 29/04/2017 at 2:34 PM, HoneyNUFC said:

One of the constituencies in Bristol is expected to vote Green in this election.

Lol just like 1913 Vienna in 100 years from now what monsters of collectivism will Bristol birth

[Honey Honey]

Just now, Fairy In Boots said:

Lol just like 1913 Vienna in 100 years from now what monsters of collectivism will Bristol birth

They'll be underwater by then 

[Fairy In Boots]

Slightly unrelated to the GE, anyone else notice Sadiq Khan has become a fame hurgry attention whore? Watching him in the ring after Joshua/klitchko I thought what's that cunt doing there. 

[LFCMike]

May is an absolute bumbling mess when she's not reading from a script and is pushed on stuff. No wonder she didn't want the live TV debate.

[Fairy In Boots]

2 hours ago, LFCMike said:

May is an absolute bumbling mess when she's not reading from a script and is pushed on stuff. No wonder she didn't want the live TV debate.

I reckon she irons her knickers.

[Honey Honey]

I reckon she'd struggle eating a bacon sarnie.

[Honey Honey]

29 minutes ago, Cannabis said:

I reckon she struggles giving her husband an erection. 

At his age he'd probably need a pill regardless 

[Inverted]

Remember when the worst we had to worry about was Ed Miliband having a slightly silly voice and making a weird face or two? 

Now we've got a PM whose best campaign strategy is to avoid exposure.