MUFC Posted May 20, 2019 Posted May 20, 2019 Will Tommy Robinson get many votes? Are you all voting for your usual party or thinking of change?
The Artful Dodger Posted May 20, 2019 Posted May 20, 2019 I don't know if I'll bother, if I do it will be Labour.
Bluebird Hewitt Posted May 20, 2019 Posted May 20, 2019 I most likely won't bother. Everything's become such a shitshow from all parties that whoever is voted in wouldn't give a toss anyway.
MUFC Posted May 20, 2019 Author Posted May 20, 2019 1 hour ago, The Artful Dodger said: I don't know if I'll bother, if I do it will be Labour. Voted for them since I was voting age lol.
Inverted Posted May 22, 2019 Posted May 22, 2019 Labour ofc. I don't even know for sure what their Brexit policy is to be honest, but it's better than lending credibility to centrist liberal wanks, or fucking Farage.
The Artful Dodger Posted May 23, 2019 Posted May 23, 2019 Got up early so plumped for Green in the end. I'm still uneasy about a second referendum but I want the strongest message against No Deal Brexit possible.
Honey Honey Posted May 23, 2019 Posted May 23, 2019 This is a mini referendum Brexit Party, UKIP = No deal Conservatives = May's deal Labour = customs union Lib Dems, Greens, ChangeUK = Remain
SirBalon Posted May 23, 2019 Posted May 23, 2019 This is NOT a mini referendum at all. Nobody shoud fall for this and it is what it is... The EU Elections! A referendum is and only is if and when it's called on the public to vot on. That will be a referendum.
The Artful Dodger Posted May 23, 2019 Posted May 23, 2019 48 minutes ago, Harvsky said: This is a mini referendum Brexit Party, UKIP = No deal Conservatives = May's deal Labour = customs union Lib Dems, Greens, ChangeUK = Remain Not sure you're able to define Labour's position so easily, part of the reason I'm lending my vote elsewhere on this occasion.
The Artful Dodger Posted May 23, 2019 Posted May 23, 2019 31 minutes ago, SirBalon said: This is NOT a mini referendum at all. Nobody shoud fall for this and it is what it is... The EU Elections! A referendum is and only is if and when it's called on the public to vot on. That will be a referendum. Brexit Party will do very well and try to suggest it is a defining vote, whereas in fact I'd imagine the turnout will still be fairly low, if bigger than normal EU elections.
SirBalon Posted May 23, 2019 Posted May 23, 2019 23 minutes ago, The Artful Dodger said: Brexit Party will do very well and try to suggest it is a defining vote, whereas in fact I'd imagine the turnout will still be fairly low, if bigger than normal EU elections. The low turnout affects those that want a remain outcome for sure and also the fact many Europeans (EU citizens in thr UK) don't know they can vote and in many cases prefer to execute their vote via post to their home country and this also affects the fact the Nazi, sorry, Brexit Party will be more noticeable. The Brexit Party whose only directive is to destroy the EU and do absolutely nothing constructive within it. But what nobody must fall for (this to all those that are fighting to stop Brexit) is that this is in anyway anything indicative of a decision in how the UK feel on Brexit because it isn't and that's a fact. Plus, this is NOT any sort of referendum. A referendum (I repeat) is only a referendum if and when it's called!
SirBalon Posted May 23, 2019 Posted May 23, 2019 29 minutes ago, The Artful Dodger said: Not sure you're able to define Labour's position so easily, part of the reason I'm lending my vote elsewhere on this occasion. Agreed... Blame Corbyn and those that direct him in the background. I am voting Lib Dems who are 100% clear on this and I know it hurts the EU Elections outcome, but they've betrayed both sides with their unwillingness to define themselves in the attempt to win a General Election.
The Artful Dodger Posted May 23, 2019 Posted May 23, 2019 I'll vote Labour in a general election, they've got the most promising manifesto for a generation. I just think we need a decent share of anti- no deal Brexit MEPS up there and I'm not sure the Labour ones are that formidable.
Subscriber CaaC (John)+ Posted May 23, 2019 Subscriber Posted May 23, 2019 Postal ballot came through the door a few weeks back, stuck it on the table, closed my eyes and let a pin drop on top, it pointed to Labour so that was me with the tick, if it had landed on the Tory candidate I would have just binned the vote, politicians are all the same to me, they pump their gums what they are going to do just to get your vote and when they get in power all the promises they made go out the window. I wish David Edward Sutch aka Screaming Lord Sutch was still alive as I would have voted for him.
Honey Honey Posted May 23, 2019 Posted May 23, 2019 4 hours ago, The Artful Dodger said: Not sure you're able to define Labour's position so easily, part of the reason I'm lending my vote elsewhere on this occasion. Anyone voting for Labour on the basis of something other than a customs union is most likely following loyalty to Corbyn or to Blair showing the election is the upper limit of Labour loyalty among the politically active. 5 hours ago, SirBalon said: This is NOT a mini referendum at all. Nobody shoud fall for this and it is what it is... The EU Elections! A referendum is and only is if and when it's called on the public to vot on. That will be a referendum. You've ran away there on the word referendum and missed the concept. Parties have campaigned first and foremost on their Brexit position. People like yourself are voting almost if not entirely based on a Brexit position. This is a litmus test of the ideas out there. It will define how the political party's move going forward. It will define their campaigns going forward. It will measure their performance thus far. It will show the limit of their politically active base. The voter movements will show the amount of the electorate rattled into demanding remain or no deal. None of the presented ideas are actually set to win which I would posit is why the word referendum had you flustered.
SirBalon Posted May 23, 2019 Posted May 23, 2019 38 minutes ago, Harvsky said: Anyone voting for Labour on the basis of something other than a customs union is most likely following loyalty to Corbyn or to Blair showing the election is the upper limit of Labour loyalty among the politically active. You've ran away there on the word referendum and missed the concept. Parties have campaigned first and foremost on their Brexit position. People like yourself are voting almost if not entirely based on a Brexit position. This is a litmus test of the ideas out there. It will define how the political party's move going forward. It will define their campaigns going forward. It will measure their performance thus far. It will show the limit of their politically active base. The voter movements will show the amount of the electorate rattled into demanding remain or no deal. None of the presented ideas are actually set to win which I would posit is why the word referendum had you flustered. Indeed, but not everyone is voting that way as it’s been mentioned in the news with many Remainers voting Labour or other parties on the correct basis of their candidate for the position of MEP being a very good one. There are a couple of Tory MEPs that are brilliant and should be voted in again. Nothing whatsoever can be ascertained from these European Elections as to an indication of the mood of the country. We have Gov polls for this which again aren’t factual as we know. The only way to find out is another referendum and I’m pretty confident on that scope.
Honey Honey Posted May 23, 2019 Posted May 23, 2019 48 minutes ago, SirBalon said: Indeed, but not everyone is voting that way as it’s been mentioned in the news with many Remainers voting Labour or other parties on the correct basis of their candidate for the position of MEP being a very good one. There are a couple of Tory MEPs that are brilliant and should be voted in again. Nothing whatsoever can be ascertained from these European Elections as to an indication of the mood of the country. We have Gov polls for this which again aren’t factual as we know. The only way to find out is another referendum and I’m pretty confident on that scope. When you speak of "another referendum" you most likely speak of something very very different. A binary lens I bet of remain and leave. Whereas this is a litmus test and mini referendum of something which differs from that. Start there and then work out what this is in fact likely indicative of. Such as the death of the Conservative party in it's current form and the limits or heights of passion for no deal and continuity remain. This will determine what follows.
SirBalon Posted May 23, 2019 Posted May 23, 2019 29 minutes ago, Harvsky said: When you speak of "another referendum" you most likely speak of something very very different. A binary lens I bet of remain and leave. Whereas this is a litmus test and mini referendum of something which differs from that. Start there and then work out what this is in fact likely indicative of. Such as the death of the Conservative party in it's current form and the limits or heights of passion for no deal and continuity remain. This will determine what follows. It won’t determine what follows at all. It will he used by the media and “journalism” for their own agenda whether it be leave (most likely as the liars will more than probably get mass votes) or remain. A referendum of brought forward will be voted on by Parliament and those MPs will use their bias on it whatever that view is. There is no mass “Leave with no deal” following. That’s just for the charlatans and those that have been conditioned by them in whatever unfounded hatred belief they hang on. This is the beginning of the beginning of the end Then only way to get a referendum idea is to apply a referendum.
Azeem Posted May 23, 2019 Posted May 23, 2019 Are there any chances right wingers will get the majority in these elections ? wouldn't surprise me though its happening around the world and its crazy.
LFCMike Posted May 23, 2019 Posted May 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Azeem said: Are there any chances right wingers will get the majority in these elections ? wouldn't surprise me though its happening around the world and its crazy. Farage's band of cunts will in the UK but they normally do in the European elections. Praying Yaxley-Lennon doesn't get a seat in the North West here.
Administrator Stan Posted May 23, 2019 Administrator Posted May 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, LFCMike said: Farage's band of cunts will in the UK but they normally do in the European elections. Praying Yaxley-Lennon doesn't get a seat in the North West here. If the video I saw of him in Liverpool the other day is anything to go by, you'll be fine
LFCMike Posted May 23, 2019 Posted May 23, 2019 15 minutes ago, Stan said: If the video I saw of him in Liverpool the other day is anything to go by, you'll be fine Yeah his lot always seem to be heavily outnumbered wherever they go but he had a big social media following before he was banned if I remember correctly. I suppose very few of them will be arsed voting though (hopefully!)
Fairy In Boots Posted May 23, 2019 Posted May 23, 2019 Voted Brexit party, genuine question? Do all of you remainers periods sync up when you enter a topic on here?
Fairy In Boots Posted May 23, 2019 Posted May 23, 2019 7 hours ago, CaaC - John said: Postal ballot came through the door a few weeks back, stuck it on the table, closed my eyes and let a pin drop on top, it pointed to Labour so that was me with the tick, if it had landed on the Tory candidate I would have just binned the vote, politicians are all the same to me, they pump their gums what they are going to do just to get your vote and when they get in power all the promises they made go out the window. I wish David Edward Sutch aka Screaming Lord Sutch was still alive as I would have voted for him. So basically you voted labour as you’ve always been socially conditioned to do, but gave us this bizarre “pin drop” to justify backing a treacherous anti Semitic shitshot
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