Redcanuck Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 (edited) 10 hours ago, 6666 said: I wonder why so many people compare the Israeli government and their supporters to Nazis. It's baffling... Kind of ironic when you consider the help that progressive and Liberal Jews gave to the groups now calling them Nazis during their attempt obtain civil rights for themselves. One has to wonder how successful the American Civil Rights movement would have been without help from American Jews. I guess they have never heard of Andrew Goodman and Michael Schwerner. Nor do they remember Hajj Amin al-Husseini a true Nazi and a friend of Hitler's. He abused his position as the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem to foment riots against Jews, most notoriously in the Hebron massacre of 1929. The British tried to keep the Arabs onside in the Second World War by banning Jewish immigration, but al-Husseini sided with Hitler and the Nazis anyway. The Arab leadership collaborated with Hitler and made sure, through pressure on the British, that Jews of Europe had nowhere to escape. Edited November 10, 2023 by Redcanuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6666 Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 43 minutes ago, Redcanuck said: Kind of ironic when you consider the help that progressive and Liberal Jews gave to the groups now calling them Nazis during their attempt obtain civil rights for themselves. One has to wonder how successful the American Civil Rights movement would have been without help from American Jews. I guess they have never heard of Andrew Goodman and Michael Schwerner. Nor do they remember Hajj Amin al-Husseini a true Nazi and a friend of Hitler's. He abused his position as the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem to foment riots against Jews, most notoriously in the Hebron massacre of 1929. The British tried to keep the Arabs onside in the Second World War by banning Jewish immigration, but al-Husseini sided with Hitler and the Nazis anyway. The Arab leadership collaborated with Hitler and made sure, through pressure on the British, that Jews of Europe had nowhere to escape. One thing that people supporting Israel don't seem to understand is that a whole group of people aren't all alike. There are Jews against Israel's actions = I agree with them. There are Jews in favour of Israel's actions = I don't agree with them. The same logic can be applied to every other person of any other group. Understanding this is a great way to avoid wanting genocide against a group. It's an Israeli staple but the whole "criticising Israel mean you hate all Jews" angle doesn't play anymore. Great marketing on their part but seems to have lost its power. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redcanuck Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 35 minutes ago, 6666 said: One thing that people supporting Israel don't seem to understand is that a whole group of people aren't all alike. There are Jews against Israel's actions = I agree with them. There are Jews in favour of Israel's actions = I don't agree with them. The same logic can be applied to every other person of any other group. Understanding this is a great way to avoid wanting genocide against a group. It's an Israeli staple but the whole "criticising Israel mean you hate all Jews" angle doesn't play anymore. Great marketing on their part but seems to have lost its power. Tell that to the people protesting in the streets, they don't make a distinction between the state of Israel and Jewish people world wide. They are chanting death to the Jews and gas the Jews as well as falsely accusing Israel of genocide and being an Apartheid state. In Canada we have had Jewish restaurants vandalized, houses own by Jews shot at and moltov cocktails thrown at two synagogues. Plus Jewush students on university campuses are staying in their dorms because they have been harrased on campus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6666 Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 1 minute ago, Redcanuck said: Tell that to the people protesting in the streets, they don't make a distinction between the state of Israel and Jewish people world wide. They are chanting death to the Jews and gas the Jews as well as falsely accusing Israel of genocide and being an Apartheid state. In Canada we have had Jewish restaurants vandalized, houses own by Jews shot at and moltov cocktails thrown at two synagogues. Plus Jewush students on university campuses are staying in their dorms because they have been harrased on campus. There are definitely dangerous, bigoted people like that but to suggest that's what the whole movement is about is extremely disingenuous and you know that. The fact that you've slipped in "they've said things about Israel" tells me you're intentionally using the bad things people are doing to discredit the right things people are doing which is call out Israel. Separating how Jews are judged from how Israel is judged is completely fair. Anyone who chooses to view them as the same is definitely wrong. Whether that's to be antisemitic or if it's to use as a shield for Israel. Wrong either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 Hamas will be held accountable for their war crimes and will attest to the record in court. Will Israel and the IDF? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 19 hours ago, Cicero said: Hamas will be held accountable for their war crimes and will attest to the record in court. Will Israel and the IDF? You know they won’t. The same reason the US and Russia won’t be held accountable for war crimes. I’m pretty sure all 3 aren’t even members of the ICC because they don’t want to have to submit to a jurisdiction that might recognise war crimes. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6666 Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 The racists emboldened by that walking parasite, Suella Braverman, ended up being the main people that caused disruption at the march today. What a surprise. And in Israel, Israelis criticising Israel getting harassed and slapped around by Israeli police. Maybe the likes of Tom Robinson, Ben Shapiro, and some of the world's most renowned hate mongers that are supporting the Israeli government can make a convincing argument as to why Israel are actually doing the right thing. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan Posted November 12, 2023 Administrator Share Posted November 12, 2023 I guess this must be because Hamas are underground. Cunts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azeem Posted November 13, 2023 Author Share Posted November 13, 2023 The constant references to bombing of Dresden as a justification for using brute force in Gaza will not convince majority of population with a conscious but it will certainly dent the dominant view of WWII as some sort of virtuous warfare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cicero Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 Used to think Shaprio was somewhat clever but then noticed the illusion of looking clever when all you debate are college students. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redcanuck Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 19 hours ago, Stan said: I guess this must be because Hamas are underground. Cunts. Israel has offered to evacute all the patients in the hospital, Hamas has refused to allow it. The reason there is no oxygen or electricity in the hospital is because Hamas have stolen all the fuel needed to run the generators. IDF arranged with senior officials at the hospital to deliver 300 litres of fuel to a collection point near the hospital, which the Israelis delivered. Hamas refused to allow hospital staff to pick it up. If these 39 babies die, and I understand 2 or 3 already have, their deaths are on Hamas 's heads, not Israel 's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rucksackfranzose Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Redcanuck said: Israel has offered to evacute all the patients in the hospital, Hamas has refused to allow it. The reason there is no oxygen or electricity in the hospital is because Hamas have stolen all the fuel needed to run the generators. IDF arranged with senior officials at the hospital to deliver 300 litres of fuel to a collection point near the hospital, which the Israelis delivered. Hamas refused to allow hospital staff to pick it up. If these 39 babies die, and I understand 2 or 3 already have, their deaths are on Hamas 's heads, not Israel 's. As is the death of the quadriplegic patient the IDF snipper shoot in the neck? Mesmerizing how a war party you have sided with can't commit any war crimes regardless what they do. Edited November 13, 2023 by Rucksackfranzose 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnivore Chris Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 The scenes in Sudan right now are horrific. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goku de la Boca Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 If I had to see this, so do you 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan Posted November 13, 2023 Administrator Share Posted November 13, 2023 Ah the irony of England being placed on the right wing as well 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redcanuck Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 2 hours ago, Rucksackfranzose said: As is the death of the quadriplegic patient the IDF snipper shoot in the neck? Mesmerizing how a war party you have sided with can't commit any war crimes regardless what they do. No independent verification of this claim. No reports from any western media. Remarkable similar to a claim 6 years ago about an Israeli sniper shooting a double amputee vaiving a Palastinian flag, a claim that has never been proven. You can't believe anything Hamas says and the continued posting of Hamas propaganda on this forum is disgusting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Goku de la Boca said: If I had to see this, so do you I think Saudi Arabia and other Arab states from the Persian golf probably are more deserving of a spot than Hamas & Hezbollah. For democracy, I think either the USA or Israel should be playing on the right wing. Probably Israel, considering Ben-Gvir being a part of Israel's governing coalition - so move US to right-sided striker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rucksackfranzose Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Redcanuck said: No independent verification of this claim. No reports from any western media. Remarkable similar to a claim 6 years ago about an Israeli sniper shooting a double amputee vaiving a Palastinian flag, a claim that has never been proven. You can't believe anything Hamas says and the continued posting of Hamas propaganda on this forum is disgusting. The original tweet is from doctors without borders. Are you claiming them would do Hamas propaganda? Them an worldwide NGO known for their independance and neutrality? Edited November 13, 2023 by Rucksackfranzose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Stan Posted November 13, 2023 Administrator Share Posted November 13, 2023 13 minutes ago, Redcanuck said: No independent verification of this claim. No reports from any western media. Remarkable similar to a claim 6 years ago about an Israeli sniper shooting a double amputee vaiving a Palastinian flag, a claim that has never been proven. You can't believe anything Hamas says and the continued posting of Hamas propaganda on this forum is disgusting. And why can the IDF be believed on the opposite side? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goku de la Boca Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 13 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said: I think Saudi Arabia and other Arab states from the Persian golf probably are more deserving of a spot than Hamas & Hezbollah. For democracy, I think either the USA or Israel should be playing on the right wing. Probably Israel, considering Ben-Gvir being a part of Israel's governing coalition - so move US to right-sided striker. It was made by an Israeli, go figure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 1 minute ago, Goku de la Boca said: It was made by an Israeli, go figure. I guess Saudi Arabia's already represented with ISIS there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redcanuck Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 1 minute ago, Rucksackfranzose said: The original tweet is from doctors without borders. Are you claiming them would do Hamas propaganda? Actually they're more neutral than most Western media. Yes I am. DWB has long been accused of having an anti Israeli bias. They consistently abuse their status as a humanitarian organization to launch venomous anti-Israel political campaigns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redcanuck Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 8 minutes ago, Stan said: And why can the IDF be believed on the opposite side? Because they normal provide footage,, pictures, video and taped conversations that back up what they say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rucksackfranzose Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 4 minutes ago, Redcanuck said: Because they normal provide footage,, pictures, video and taped conversations that back up what they say. You mean like the pictures the US provided to to prove their attack on Iraq were justified, since the Iraq had biological and chemical warfare? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redcanuck Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 55 minutes ago, Rucksackfranzose said: You mean like the pictures the US provided to to prove their attack on Iraq were justified, since the Iraq had biological and chemical warfare? Yeah Governmens don't always tell the truth and the photos of the weapons of mass destruction is a perfect example. But you have to go with the percentages and the history, Hamas has no history of telling the truth, Israel does. Nobody is saying the israeli Government always tells the truth, they will tell lies as well, but I trust their record of telling the truth more than I do Hamas 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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