Climate Change

[Devil-Dick Willie]

2 hours ago, Happy Blue said:

They wouldnt have it on Sky News would they if it wasnt true?  ..i thought you all agreed it was true just no big deal. are you saying it's not true now? 

Sky news Australia is a cespit and there is fierce debate around their status as a 'news' network vs an opinion forum. 

 

2 hours ago, Happy Blue said:

When they bring this nation wide, and they will (another council has also confirmed they will be doing it too) you can only leave your zone in a car 100 days a year (2 days a week) ..you would be correct in saying i've never been to Oxford since i was a kid to watch City which i think is just outside the centre and dont really recall it and i've no idea who that aussie Sky News guy is, but id say your probably also correct on that too

So another council, likely one that is also small with an outrageously congested city center (you've excluded this info of course) has gone 'that seems like a good idea' and that makes you think it'll be nation wide in a jiffy? 

[Happy Blue]

Just now, Devil-Dick Willie said:

I only ride my motorcycle to work, 20 minute ride. I walk to the shops and beach, I ride my bicycle to uni and the gym. 

You are ok then aren't you. i've only drove 3 miles this week myself

[Happy Blue]

4 minutes ago, Devil-Dick Willie said:

Sky news Australia is a cespit and there is fierce debate around their status as a 'news' network vs an opinion forum. 

 

So another council, likely one that is also small with an outrageously congested city center (you've excluded this info of course) has gone 'that seems like a good idea' and that makes you think it'll be nation wide in a jiffy? 

The only thing i really follow down under is the rugby so i'll take your word for it ..Canterbury. they will start with the places they think they can get away with it. 

[Devil-Dick Willie]

3 minutes ago, Happy Blue said:

The only thing i really follow down under is the rugby so i'll take your word for it ..Canterbury. they will start with the places they think they can get away with it. 

NO! They're starting, and it will end, in places WHERE IT MAKES PRACTICAL SENSE. 

[Happy Blue]

Just now, Devil-Dick Willie said:

NO! They're starting, and it will end, in places WHERE IT MAKES PRACTICAL SENSE. 

But can you trust them bastards? 

[Gunnersaurus]

@Devil-Dick Willie @Honey Honey correct me if I'm wrong. But from what I can gather. It's only certain roads. So say you want to go visit your family you can still drive but you would have to avoid certain roads. Which actually seems like it might make things worse but it won't overall because it will encourage more cycling and public transport overall. So its not that you can't go out of your zone. I don't really think there is any point in debating HB. He's either having a wind up, he's very stupid, or he has issues from being in the sas. Seeing as he has been shown to be dishonest before I have serious doubts about him actually being in the sas.

 

[Honey Honey]

15 minutes ago, Gunnersaurus said:

@Devil-Dick Willie @Honey Honey correct me if I'm wrong. But from what I can gather. It's only certain roads. So say you want to go visit your family you can still drive but you would have to avoid certain roads. Which actually seems like it might make things worse but it won't overall because it will encourage more cycling and public transport overall. So its not that you can't go out of your zone. I don't really think there is any point in debating HB. He's either having a wind up, he's very stupid, or he has issues from being in the sas. Seeing as he has been shown to be dishonest before I have serious doubts about him actually being in the sas.

 

Seems you can drive out to a ring road and into another section yeah.

Oxford council had to release this statement yesterday to debunk a lot of the fake news pumped out on social media by alt right and far right donkeys.

When you read it you see just how badly these muppets online are crippling discourse in our society with their inability to comprehend anything or know how to know. Here's a council that wants to make buses run smoother and people around the world are talking about it, what the fuck.

https://www.oxford.gov.uk/news/article/2332/joint_statement_from_oxfordshire_county_council_and_oxford_city_council_on_oxford_s_traffic_filters

[Gunnersaurus]

@Devil-Dick Willie @Honey Honey@Tommy         this guy is quite interesting. He explains science in a way that is easy to understand. One of the issues with science is that not only can it be hard to understand. It can hard to know how to interpret as well. 

 

[Happy Blue]

On 08/12/2022 at 18:05, Gunnersaurus said:

science is that not only can it be hard to understand. It can hard to know how to interpret as well. 

The data they are going off is garbage as point out and explained here 

 

[Gunnersaurus]

12 hours ago, Happy Blue said:

The data they are going off is garbage as point out and explained here 

 

You can find some people who disagree with any scientific theory in the world. The fact is a huge majority of experts say climate change is man made. I'm not being funny mate but what's yout job? I doubt you have any scientific credentials at all.

And the guy you have posted a video of isn't even a scientist. And its not true that  there isn't a huge scientific agreement on climate change. He's using one study but there have been many studies which have all confirmed there is a huge consensus 

[Devil-Dick Willie]

9 hours ago, Gunnersaurus said:

You can find some people who disagree with any scientific theory in the world. The fact is a huge majority of experts say climate change is man made. I'm not being funny mate but what's yout job? I doubt you have any scientific credentials at all.

And the guy you have posted a video of isn't even a scientist. And its not true that  there isn't a huge scientific agreement on climate change. He's using one study but there have been many studies which have all confirmed there is a huge consensus 

HB has a narrative to follow, and will avoid the consensus as long as 1 quack is singing his tune. 

[Gunnersaurus]

On 13/12/2022 at 09:07, Devil-Dick Willie said:

HB has a narrative to follow, and will avoid the consensus as long as 1 quack is singing his tune. 

Well the guy he posted the clip from said the consensus was established fro  one survey. Which is wrong it has been established from many survey's done at different times. I don't know if you know much abkut GB news but its basically tje fox news of the UK. They don't even try to hide their bias its actually funny to watch. 

I'm not saying that scientists should jist except scientific theories just because they are the dominant theory. That is literally the opposite of what science is. But as a fairly average person who works, socialises, talks to fairly average people all the time. I assure you they are not qualified to say whether they are true or not. In the same way that they don't know enough about the economy to know whether Brexit would work or not. 

Personally I dont undertand how all these ideas that are quite commonly linked to the right wing benefit us. All they seem to do is divide us and make us fuck up the planet and cause poverty. 

[CaaC (John)+]

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Ice ages, they come and go. Until they don’t.

Humans have so polluted the atmosphere with carbon dioxide, it’s messed with natural ice age cycles.

Humans have pumped so much carbon dioxide into the atmosphere we’ve overridden the natural and astronomical factors that cause ice ages to occur. 

“So this is a big deal, as a species. Through polluting and changing the level of greenhouse gasses, we have essentially knocked our climate system off its natural pattern,” says paleoclimatologist Professor Tim Naish from Victoria University of Wellington in New Zealand.

“If we keep carbon dioxide above 350 parts per million (ppm) … and if it stays there long enough, then we can no longer go into a natural ice age,” he says.

For around three million years, ice ages have occurred in regular cycles triggered by astronomical factors – variations in radiation from the sun and changes in the Earth’s orbit – as well as tectonic activity and fluctuations in carbon dioxide.

But now, says Naish, if greenhouse gas concentrations in the atmosphere remain at current levels – around 415 ppm – it’s virtually certain that we can no longer go back to a natural ice age. 

Scientists have been able to reconstruct the pattern of the Earth’s climate and its ice ages going back almost 50 million years, Naish says.

In the 1940s, Serbian astrophysicist and mathematician, Milutin Milankovich, developed a theory about how Earth’s orbit around the Sun changes on long timescales, controlling variations in solar radiation on Earth and affecting its climate.

In the 1970s, scientists, including geologist Sir Nicholas Shackleton, pioneered a process of drilling the ocean floor and taking sediment cores – covering millions of years – to analyse something called the ‘oxygen isotopic composition’ of the microfossils in the sediment. This works as a proxy for the volume of ice on the planet at different points in history. And it turns out those records align with Milankovich cycles. 

“So the combination of what we call the orbital forcing, the changes in Earth’s orbit around the sun, and the different concentrations of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, we think we can now explain Earth’s climate going back 50 million years. 

“Which is really important, because we need to understand the natural pattern, the natural variability before we can extract, what we as humans are doing on top of that natural climate variability,” Naish says.

Learning about past climate can help scientists understand the future effects of global warming, he says. 

For instance, roughly 125,000 years ago during the last interglacial period, when the Earth was naturally 1.5 – 2 degrees warmer than today, sea levels were a lot higher. “We know there are fossil coral shorelines that are six to nine metres higher,” he says. 

“You have to go back 3 million years when geological records show us, for the last time CO₂ in the atmosphere was 400ppm. And then, sea levels were 20 metres higher.”

In contrast, Naish says, during the last ice age, sea levels were around 120 metres lower, “because all the water that’s currently in the ocean was on land, forming ice sheets”.

Carbon dioxide is a very important greenhouse gas that’s currently in the driver’s seat, controlling our climate, he says. 

“This is why the 1.5^oC target, the Paris Agreement, target is so important. Because the science tells us if we get above 1.5 degrees, or closer to two degrees, we may cause irreversible melting of both the Greenland and parts of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet and be committed to multi-metre sea level rise.”

https://cosmosmagazine.com/podcast/ice-ages-come-and-go/

 

[Happy Blue]

Data shows there’s no climate catastrophe looming – climatologist Dr J Christy debunks the narrative

Dr John Christy, distinguished Professor of Atmospheric Science and Director of the Earth System Science Center at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, has been a compelling voice on the other side of the climate change debate for decades. Christy, a self-proclaimed “climate nerd”, developed an unwavering desire to understand weather and climate at the tender age of 10, and remains as devoted to understanding the climate system to this day. By using data sets built from scratch, Christy, with other scientists including NASA scientist Roy Spencer, have been testing the theories generated by climate models to see how well they hold up to reality. Their findings? On average, the latest models for the deep layer of the atmosphere are warming about twice too fast, presenting a deeply flawed and unrealistic representation of the actual climate. In this long-form interview, Christy – who receives no funding from the fossil fuel industry – provides data-substantiated clarity on a host of issues, further refuting the climate crisis narrative.

 

[Gunnersaurus]

8 hours ago, Happy Blue said:

Data shows there’s no climate catastrophe looming – climatologist Dr J Christy debunks the narrative

Dr John Christy, distinguished Professor of Atmospheric Science and Director of the Earth System Science Center at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, has been a compelling voice on the other side of the climate change debate for decades. Christy, a self-proclaimed “climate nerd”, developed an unwavering desire to understand weather and climate at the tender age of 10, and remains as devoted to understanding the climate system to this day. By using data sets built from scratch, Christy, with other scientists including NASA scientist Roy Spencer, have been testing the theories generated by climate models to see how well they hold up to reality. Their findings? On average, the latest models for the deep layer of the atmosphere are warming about twice too fast, presenting a deeply flawed and unrealistic representation of the actual climate. In this long-form interview, Christy – who receives no funding from the fossil fuel industry – provides data-substantiated clarity on a host of issues, further refuting the climate crisis narrative.

 

I could go and find articles from 33 scientists who disagree because thats the ratio of scientists who think climate change is man made to those who don't. However since you repeat the same stuff that has been debunked over and over again there is no point. @Tommy @Devil-Dick Willie its actually quite funny watching HB try to justify this now.

 

[Azeem]

How do you tell them global warming means extreme temperatures not just extreme heat.

[Waylander]

I do recall about a decade ago stories appearing in the papers with people measuring climate change in places like Australia saying they were being cajoled into reporting higher temperatures as their data showed no change and that harmed the climate warming brigade. 

This damaged the climate movement as people became aware of a political push to recognise Global warming.

This has never reached the levels that were forecast what seems to be the case at least in temperate climates is that we are getting unpredictable weather and so we now have the term Climate Change yet again this is difficult to rate as we have always seen odd weather. 

I think we are seeing more extremes though to what degree relative to other times is difficult to say.

[Devil-Dick Willie]

1 minute ago, Waylander said:

I do recall about a decade ago stories appearing in the papers with people measuring climate change in places like Australia saying they were being cajoled into reporting higher temperatures as their data showed no change and that harmed the climate warming brigade. 

This damaged the climate movement as people became aware of a political push to recognise Global warming.

This has never reached the levels that were forecast what seems to be the case at least in temperate climates is that we are getting unpredictable weather and so we now have the term Climate Change yet again this is difficult to rate as we have always seen odd weather. 

I think we are seeing more extremes though to what degree relative to other times is difficult to say.

No it's not. We use oxygen isotope ratios to measure past climates, and we have been recording the weather for 150 years + in most places.

Your first point is also bullshit. And in this country specifically we have now gotten to a phase where we have an historic weather catastrophe every year or so. 

[Waylander]

8 minutes ago, Devil-Dick Willie said:

No it's not. We use oxygen isotope ratios to measure past climates, and we have been recording the weather for 150 years + in most places.

Your first point is also bullshit. And in this country specifically we have now gotten to a phase where we have an historic weather catastrophe every year or so. 

What do the oxygen isotopes say about the 16th Century when the Vikings left Greenland and the Maoris moved to Nz?

[Harry]

28 minutes ago, Waylander said:

I do recall about a decade ago stories appearing in the papers with people measuring climate change in places like Australia saying they were being cajoled into reporting higher temperatures as their data showed no change and that harmed the climate warming brigade. 

This damaged the climate movement as people became aware of a political push to recognise Global warming.

This has never reached the levels that were forecast what seems to be the case at least in temperate climates is that we are getting unpredictable weather and so we now have the term Climate Change yet again this is difficult to rate as we have always seen odd weather. 

I think we are seeing more extremes though to what degree relative to other times is difficult to say.

Do you know why it's hotter on Venus than on Mercury despite Mercury being much closer to the sun?

[Waylander]

No because I have not studied that yet it might be due to atmospheric conditions.

I notice with Climate change today we never mention tropical rain forest destruction say in the last 300 years which is natures carbon sink and continues to be destroyed today.

Despite the push for cleaner energy, I don't see it happening fast enough to prevent climate catastrophes more chance of humans building space stations.

[Devil-Dick Willie]

3 hours ago, Waylander said:

No because I have not studied that yet it might be due to atmospheric conditions.

I notice with Climate change today we never mention tropical rain forest destruction say in the last 300 years which is natures carbon sink and continues to be destroyed today.

Despite the push for cleaner energy, I don't see it happening fast enough to prevent climate catastrophes more chance of humans building space stations.

YES! YES WE FUCKING DO. WE MENTION IT ALL THE TIME. WHAT FUCKING ROCK DO YOU LIVE UNDER?

[Waylander]

15 hours ago, Devil-Dick Willie said:

YES! YES WE FUCKING DO. WE MENTION IT ALL THE TIME. WHAT FUCKING ROCK DO YOU LIVE UNDER?

Choice language from our proposed comedian...............

[CaaC (John)+]

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Sierra Madre: Fighting to save what's left of a vital rainforest

Francisco Elle is haunted by the faces of children he could not save.

It's what drives him deep into the dense rainforests of the vast Sierra Madre mountain range day after day, carrying a heavy wicker bag full of fresh saplings on his shoulders.

His lean figure ducks under a thick ceiling of leaves. Even with his glasses falling to the end of his nose, he manages to avoid being tripped by exposed tree roots as he hurries along a faint trail to his latest tree planting site.

Following him is tough going, especially as clouds roll down the hillside brushing the tips of the branches with a fresh mist of rain.

He once made a living chopping down these trees which had taken centuries to grow. Now in his 50s, he has turned from illegal logger to forest ranger after witnessing what he describes as "nature's revenge".

More than 1,000 people were killed when Francisco's village, along with several others, was washed away by a landslide in December 2004.

"I saw lifeless children all lined up on the street while the houses were all destroyed. There weren't any houses left, even ours was gone. When I remember the things we did, I feel helpless," he said during one of the few breaks he was willing to take that day.

Does he feel guilty about his past?

He turns away in tears. After several minutes, he answers: "I blame myself. Maybe if I didn't cut trees, maybe it wouldn't have happened."

FULL REPORT

 

[CaaC (John)+]

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Ozone layer may be restored in decades, UN report says

Human action to save the ozone layer has worked as hoped, and it may recover in just decades, the UN says.

An international agreement in 1987 to stop using the harmful chemicals that were damaging the layer has been successful, the major assessment says.

The ozone layer is a thin part of the Earth's atmosphere that absorbs most of the ultraviolet radiation from the Sun.

When it is depleted, this radiation can reach the surface - causing potential harm to humans and other living things.

Ultraviolet rays can damage DNA and cause sunburn, increasing the long-term risk of problems such as skin cancer.

The ozone layer began depleting in the 1970s.

Chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs), which were commonly found in spray cans, fridges, foam insulation and air conditioners, were blamed for eating away at the ozone layer.

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