Climate Change

[Eco]

Just now, Gunnersauraus said:

Greta is coming to Bristol on Friday. Might go and see what she has to say.

I saw a headline of an article about this girl who is being labeled as the 'Anti Greta'. I think she's German? 

[Guest]

18 minutes ago, Eco said:

I saw a headline of an article about this girl who is being labeled as the 'Anti Greta'. I think she's German? 

Just read about her. No suprise she is far right 

[Guest]

I love within half a mile of where she is gonna be doing her speech. Will be chaos

[Guest]

I don't know what drives these climate change deniers. I don't know if they are genuinely concerned about the impact it will have on the economy of we really start to take it seriously or what it is

[Guest]

@CaaC (John) my auntie who is around 70 was amazed that a majority of climate change deniers are middle aged onwards. She says she has seen the whether change and just figured most were younger people. What are your thoughts have you noticed the whether change in your time?

[Dr. Gonzo]

On 26/02/2020 at 11:16, Eco said:

I saw a headline of an article about this girl who is being labeled as the 'Anti Greta'. I think she's German? 

Seems a bit weird, tbh. Did you know she's paid by a US think tank? It's like they saw that the media reacted positively to a kid talking about climate change, so they figured "if kids are what they want, kids are what we'll give 'em" and they've paid this kid to come speak out about what they call "climate realism."

Still doesn't change the fact that one side has science on their side and the other doesn't, though, regardless of whether they've got a bizaro-Greta.

[RandoEFC+]

It's so hard but at the same time so easy to predict the way climate change is used as political ping pong by middle aged, generally right leaning politicians.

I don't understand how people can have a problem with Greta Thunberg. How dare she, a young, female person who is incredibly knowledgeable on the subject, have the gall to think she knows better than Dave down the pub who says it's all a conspiracy made up by erm.... to err.... what's the excuse again?

In typical human fashion, we will only start making major changes to our lifestyle when we've realised it's too late.

[Guest]

I do wonder if it is better to give deniers some air time? Put them up against scientists so there arguements can be beaten one by one 

[Danny]

1 hour ago, RandoEFC said:

It's so hard but at the same time so easy to predict the way climate change is used as political ping pong by middle aged, generally right leaning politicians.

I don't understand how people can have a problem with Greta Thunberg. How dare she, a young, female person who is incredibly knowledgeable on the subject, have the gall to think she knows better than Dave down the pub who says it's all a conspiracy made up by erm.... to err.... what's the excuse again?

In typical human fashion, we will only start making major changes to our lifestyle when we've realised it's too late.

It’s just this battle of left vs right, I think most people caught up in it would have a lot of similar views but then they see this argument and they take a side and then everything is amplified beyond recognition. There is no logical reason to dislike Greta if you’re not profiting from the current system, the abuse people give her for being a girl and autistic just sums up the level of ignorance in the debate 

[RandoEFC+]

3 minutes ago, Gunnersauraus said:

I do wonder if it is better to give deniers some air time? Put them up against scientists so there arguements can be beaten one by one 

This is exactly the problem though. When you put experts in a debate against morons as equals in the name of "impartiality" you aren't giving anyone watching it the true story because we're in a place where everyone's opinion has to be treated as equally valid even if one side is backed up by mounds of factual evidence and the other is there to seek attention, be controversial or to sell denial to the droves of other morons out there that lap it up.

Like it or not, 90% of people are exactly that, morons, and if you put a Harvard-educated climate scientist with a PhD on Sky News to debate climate change with a 45 year old, Tommy Robinson sympathising closet racist with a regional accent who doesn't even have the intelligence or self-awareness to understand that the real reason why he's so angry about Greta Thunberg is because she's a young girl with a disability who has achieved more at the age of 17 than he will in his lifetime, then that 90% of idiots are going to be drawn to the one they sympathise with the most. This is how we end up with Trump, Brexit and, well, climate change deniers.

We're all human though. Our base instincts tell us to choose to feel better about ourselves for the next five minutes rather than reflect on our mindset and change our behaviour for long-term benefit.

[Danny]

12 minutes ago, Gunnersauraus said:

I do wonder if it is better to give deniers some air time? Put them up against scientists so there arguements can be beaten one by one 

This happens with racism and it just legitimises racism as a stand point. Look at the support Lawrence Fox received for being a dildo on national television 

[CaaC (John)+]

Climate change boosted Australia bushfire risk by at least 30%

Scientists have published the first assessment quantifying the role of climate change in the recent Australian bushfires.

Global warming boosted the risk of the hot, dry weather that's likely to cause bushfires by at least 30%, they say.

But the study suggests the figure is likely to be much greater.

It says that if global temperatures rise by 2C, as seems likely, such conditions would occur at least four times more often.

The analysis has been carried out by the World Weather Attribution consortium.

FULL REPORT

[Azeem]

Just a week of lock down and pollution goes down, natural habitat coming back to life. It's all about greed and unrestricted production and consumption.

[CaaC (John)+]

Climate change: Earth's deepest ice canyon vulnerable to melting

East Antarctic's Denman Canyon is the deepest land gorge on Earth, reaching 3,500m below sea-level.

It's also filled top to bottom with ice, which US space agency (Nasa) scientists reveal in a new report has a significant vulnerability to melting.

Retreating and thinning sections of the glacier suggest it is being eroded by encroaching warm ocean water.

Denman is one to watch for the future. If its ice were hollowed out, it would raise the global sea surface by 1.5m.

"How fast this can happen? Hard to say, since there are many factors coming into play, for example, the narrowness of the channel along which Denman is retreating may slow down the retreat," explained Dr Virginia Brancato, from Nasa's Jet Propulsion Laboratory and a former scholar at the University of California at Irvine (UCI).

"At present, it is critical to collect more data, and closely and more frequently monitor the future evolution of the glacier," she told BBC News.

FULL REPORT

[CaaC (John)+]

Great Barrier Reef suffers third mass bleaching in five years

Australia's Great Barrier Reef has suffered another mass bleaching event - the third in just five years.

Warmer sea temperatures - particularly in February - are feared to have caused huge coral loss across the world's largest reef system.

Scientists say they have detected widespread bleaching, including extensive patches of severe damage. But they have also found healthy pockets.

Two-thirds of the reef was damaged by similar events in 2016 and 2017.

The reef system, which covers over 2,300km (1,400 miles), is a World Heritage site recognised for its "enormous scientific and intrinsic importance".

Last year, Australia was forced to downgrade its five-year reef outlook from poor to very poor due to the impact of human-induced climate change.

On Thursday, the Great Barrier Reef Marine Park Authority said its latest aerial surveys had shown that the severity of bleaching varied across the reef.

But it said more areas had been damaged than in previous events.

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"The reef had only just begun recovering from impacts in 2016 and 2017 and now we have a third event," chief scientist David Wachenfeld told the BBC.

"Climate change is making the extreme events that drive those impacts both more severe and more frequent, so the damage in an event is worse."

The earlier events hit two-thirds of the reef system, wiping out coral populations and destroying habitats for other sea life.

But Dr Wachenfeld said some key reefs for tourism - in the northern and central regions - had been only "moderately bleached" this year. This meant coral there would probably recover, he added.

"The reef is still a vibrant, dynamic system but overall, with every one of these successive events, the reef is more damaged than previously," he said.

"We need to take these events as global calls for the strongest possible action in climate change," he said.

Global temperatures have already risen about 1C since pre-industrial times. The UN has warned that if temperatures rise by 1.5C, 90% of the world's corals will be wiped out.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-52043554

[Happy Blue]

They want you in electric cars so they can control what zone you are allowed to enter based on your social score

[Dr. Gonzo]

On 21/04/2020 at 18:14, Happy Blue said:

They want you in electric cars so they can control what zone you are allowed to enter based on your social score

Why can’t they do that with the computers onboard petrol cars?

[Happy Blue]

2 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Why can’t they do that with the computers onboard petrol cars?

Because they are not remote controlled like these new all electric cars will be and nobody is going to consent to having there car doctored are they so they can be shut down at will or remote driven ..they need to do it sneaky

[DeadLinesman]

Pretty certain it’s not the powertrain (be it electric/petrol/diesel) that would control the car. It’s the onboard computers. Which are in all modern cars........

[Stan]

47 minutes ago, Happy Blue said:

Because they are not remote controlled like these new all electric cars will be and nobody is going to consent to having there car doctored are they so they can be shut down at will or remote driven ..they need to do it sneaky

You're quite a paranoid individual aren't you? 

[Happy Blue]

47 minutes ago, DeadLinesman said:

Pretty certain it’s not the powertrain (be it electric/petrol/diesel) that would control the car. It’s the onboard computers. Which are in all modern cars........

They are not 5G though   ..plus most our current cars cant be remote driven so my point stands

[Happy Blue]

21 minutes ago, Stan said:

You're quite a paranoid individual aren't you? 

My therapist say i'm paranoid  ..he didnt actually say that but i know he was thinking it

 

 

[Harry]

On 22/04/2020 at 11:14, Happy Blue said:

They want you in electric cars so they can control what zone you are allowed to enter based on your social score

You need to separate out electric cars from self driven cars. They are different things.

Electric cars have no direct emissions, and (provided the local electricity network is cleaner on average than a gasoline engine) are a good technology

Self driven cars are being developed for both gasoline and electric type vehicles. They will theoretically be safer, and provide an ability to completely disrupt personal transportation. Think all cars are owned by uber and different sizes, you just get cars when needed through an app and a driverless pod rocks up at your house.

I have absolutely zero enthusiasm to ever ride in a driverless vehicle and I personally say to the future "fuck off creating things like this that nobody wants".

[Happy Blue]

2 minutes ago, Harry said:

You need to separate out electric cars from self driven cars. They are different things.

Electric cars have no direct emissions, and (provided the local electricity network is cleaner on average than a gasoline engine) are a good technology

Self driven cars are being developed for both gasoline and electric type vehicles. They will theoretically be safer, and provide an ability to completely disrupt personal transportation. Think all cars are owned by uber and different sizes, you just get cars when needed through an app and a driverless pod rocks up at your house.

I have absolutely zero enthusiasm to ever ride in a driverless vehicle and I personally say to the future "fuck off creating things like this that nobody wants".

They are working on banning petrol and diesel engines so in time the only self driven cars will be electric  ..like you said, they can get fucked with that on less they fly like in blade runner or star wars 

[CaaC (John)+]

Climate change: More than 3bn could live in extreme heat by 2070

More than three billion people will be living in places with "near un-liveable" temperatures by 2070, according to a new study.

Unless greenhouse gas emissions fall, large numbers of people will experience average temperatures hotter than 29C.

This is considered outside the climate "niche" in which humans have thrived for the past 6,000 years.

Co-author of the study Tim Lenton told the BBC: "The study hopefully puts climate change in more human terms".

Researchers used data from United Nations population projections and a 3C warming scenario based on the expected global rise in temperature. A UN report found that even with countries keeping to the Paris climate agreement, the world was on course for a 3C rise.

According to the study, human populations are concentrated into narrow climate bands with most people residing in places where the average temperature is about 11-15C. A smaller number of people live in areas with an average temperature of 20-25C.

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People have mostly lived in these climate conditions for thousands of years.

However, should, global warming cause temperatures to rise by three degrees, a vast number of people are going to be living in temperatures considered outside the "climate niche".

Mr Lenton, climate specialist and director of the global Systems Institute at the University of Exeter, conducted the study with scientists from China, the US and Europe.

He told the BBC: "The land warms up faster than the ocean so the land is warming more than three degrees. Population growth is projected to be in already hot places, mostly sub-Saharan Africa so that shifts the average person to a hotter temperature.

"It's shifting the whole distribution of people to hotter places which themselves are getting hotter and that's why we find the average person on the planet is living in about 7C warmer conditions in the 3C warmer world."

Areas projected to be affected include northern Australia, India, Africa, South America and parts of the Middle East.

The study raises concerns about those in poorer areas who will be unable to shelter from the heat.

"For me, the study is not about the rich who can just get inside an air-conditioned building and insulate themselves from anything. We have to be concerned with those who don't have the means to isolate themselves from the weather and the climate around them," Mr Lenton said.

Mr Lenton says the main message from the team's findings is that "limiting climate change could have huge benefits in terms of reducing the number of people projected to fall outside of the climate niche.

"It's about roughly a billion people for each degree of warming beyond the present. So for every degree of warming, we could be saving a huge amount of change in people's livelihoods."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-52543589