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Stumbled upon an oriental garden lizard in my garden today, took some pics... Beautiful animal.

How does it have nothing to do with your point? You said he didn't say there would take half a century of suffering for the benefits of Brexit to be felt by the UK, but he did say that it would take 50 years for us to see the benefits of Brexit to be felt. The implication there is he's not going to resign should Brexit go poorly (which is what he was asked before making that statement) and his refusal and this 50 years comment indicate that he expects that Brexit will cause economic hardship for a lot of people in Britain. Sure that doesn't necessarily mean that there will be 50 years of suffering. But 50 years of a stagnant and bleak economic situation does mean that a lot of people will suffer. And you don't even have to look that far back in history to see how certain areas were effected, hence the Thatcher comment. If you want to disregard points you don't agree with as just screaming, that's your prerogative. But me disagreeing with Mogg wanting to shirk any sort of accountability, based off the words he said and how bleak economic conditions hurt communities big time in the UK in recent history (not even 50 years ago...) because he thinks that maybe there will be some good that comes from it in half a century isn't screaming. That's a long period of time for a lot of people to have to deal with a struggling economy. But if you think that's screaming, I can't change your mind and you're free to keep believing what you want to believe.

That's how those here look like: I'm still determined to take a photo of them at some point It's rainy season, so I can't leave my equipment outside unattended for a long time, otherwise I would just place it in front of the mango tree that they frequent, focus the camera to where I expect them to be, camouflage it all a bit and use remote shutter release from afar. A sort of a camera trap, hehe.

This wasn't the worst thing I've written on here after being ten pints in.

Change my mind on what? That a politician advancing a thus-far disastrous policy which he can offer no real argument in favour of, besides a vague promise of results in a timescale exceeding any adult's working lives, is wrong? Yes, of course my dislike for Jacob Rees-Mogg comes from me simply not being exposed to a high enough level of discourse yet.

I haven't seen that anywhere either, but there is a conspiracy theory doing the rounds on social media. Fabinho's only ever worn number 2 in his senior career, and he still hasn't been given a number for Liverpool, so apparently we're waiting to sell Clyne before we give him the 2 shirt. Sounds silly to me, but there's got to be a reason we haven't given him a number yet. I'm with @Dr. Gonzo, though. I'm not comfortable going into the season with Gomez being our backup rightback and our 4th choice centre back behind two injury prone players in Lovren and Matip.

I wouldn't worry too much, you've scored 23 goals so far in pre-season

Yes, we should all get bogged down in semantics and apologism for outright incompetents rather than tackle clearly abhorrent statements. There’s nothing more vapid than petty point-scoring, like this “but both-sides”, nit-picking, whataboutism. Brexit was won by lies, or at least - to be polite - arguments based on broad conceptual standpoints that placed material predictions firmly at the rear. Remain attempted to make economic predictions to illustrate Brexit’s dangers - and at best this kind of factual approach makes no impact, and at worst opens them to scrutiny if they aren’t accurate. British liberalism’s great weakness is its obsession with formal precision, and thus its inability to state its case in a way meaningful to the average person. Rees-Mogg intends to paint himself as a patriot, as a man of principle, and as inculpable for any failure of Brexit. Do we refute those positions to the average voter by trying to divine some objective interpretation of his meaningless weaselling attempts, whilst he’s likely moved onto the next lie/obfuscation, or do we refute this charade he puts on by cutting through his smokescreen and asserting the core truth that he’s a morally bankrupt profiteer with no concern for the average person?

Odd looking little critters, thats really neat. Photography in general is so much waiting, that and right time right place

I completely forgot about this thread great pics nudge! I love it when that happens with animals its like they want you to take their picture! Reminds me we went for a walk a few weeks ago in a flats and came accross a monarch butterfly literally landed like 2 feet from me but of course by the time i pulled out my camera it took off.

Sorry mate, I don’t speak Welsh.

Great photos. Absolutely a great looking creature..somewhat reminds me of when I had a bearded dragon.

You’re right, forgive me. It will be all fucking rosey those 50 years with us not seeing the economic benefit! Especially in the fucking north, Thatcher was great for us, yeah?

Still a pretty poor argument seeing as leaving the EU was based on extreme benefit compared to what was to happen now. Leaving the EU was said to have lasted a decade atleast, just to create our own lawss not bound by EU law. Brexit is a mess because the people who voted it thought it'd be a quick and easy fix to whatever anti-immigration, anti-Islamic problem that was set ahead of them and it's turned out to be something much more in depth and something that effects the everyday person more that they could have thought. Regardless of your personal opinions on the EU, the sooner the openly racist opinions from the majority of media and everyday person backing it has been questioned and pushed back the better. Brexit has only created an atmosphere of anti-immigration and anti-islamophobia within the UK, anything to do with actual questioning of EU law has been few and far between which tells you what you need to know about Brexit.

When people ask what's wrong with having so few working class people in politics, this is exactly why it's wrong. The Brexit catastrophe has at every step been pushed along by a sector of the political class that has never known material insecurity. Johnson, Gove, Rees-Mogg, Farage et al have never spent a night lying awake, listening to their parents argue over how the bills are going to be paid next month. They don't know what it really means for one twelfth of the GDP to evaporate at once. They might have assets invested, and even make a fortune out of reacting to economic change, or make a bit of a loss, but they don't understand what inflation, for example, feels like to someone trying to do the weekly shop, or handle their gas and electricity bills. This makes it easy for this kind of people to fight a stupid ideological political battle over "sovereignty" and their hatred for foreigners, without any regard for the practicalities - particularly the human cost of their project. When Rees-Mogg said we have to be prepared to suffer for the next 50 years, all he was doing was coming dangerously close to honestly formulating the Brexiteer attitude: that it's purely about theoretical gratification, and that working or vulnerable peoples' livelihoods are wholly expendable.

This looks great. Although, part of me wonders how authentic it can ever really be with cameras on the managers and players and them knowing about it.